>Tu-22M3M
>Updated to carry hypersonic missiles
>Has refueling probe, which is illegal under the American New START Treaty, which probably won't be signed by Russia or China.
>Has ECW at aft instead of pew pew chaff.
Why do they feel the need to upgrade when they could just buy updated Chinese super strategic bombers? The Chinese bombers are better than B-52.
Because Chinese gear is notoriously known to never work or fall apart rather quickly, and Russia wants something that'll at least last them to the end of the decade, not the end of the month.
They can buy 12 planes for the price of 1 Russian bomber, if 1 plane lasts a year then they already got them for cheaper.
Except they'll lose 12 bombers worth of pilots, and at that rate they'll be out of pilots.
Better off spending money on jets that'll last more than a month, then on Jets that are just stolen tech poorly recreated by Chinese child slavery factories.
>applying the fucking mattress/workboot argument to military aircraft
chinkposter please go
>and at that rate they'll be out of pilots
retrofitting anything that needs a pilot to be instead flown by an android app is trivial at this point
What the fuck is wrong with you people? What next, are we going to replace Einstein with a python app?
Ungrateful fucks are trying to end the Pax Americana. This won’t end week for anyone.
Except Jow Forumsommandos! They already live underground and will squeal with delight when the missiles start flying!
What would they buy from China? Tu-16s?
Two designs from the Tupolev bureau, China buying the older Tu-16 and replicating it, the original Russian designer moving on, and then the nation that bought contract now selling those planes back to the original designer. China is not that crafty and Russia is not that stupid.
>Chinese super strategic bombers?
The Chinese H-6 is a modified version of the old Russian Tu-16.
en.wikipedia.org
en.wikipedia.org
The "super strategic bomber" you think Russia should use is actually obsolete Russian shit they retired decades ago. But I'm sure with the upgraded Chinese quantum infrared ultraviolet engines the H-6 is pressy awesome...
oh man that looks exceedingly reliable and not prone to mechanical failures at all
H-6
tu-16 retired in 1993 by Russia
I bet you think Harpoon is also obsolete, I bet you think Tomahawk is also obsolete, I bet you think Arlin Burke is also obsolete, I bet you think B-52 is also obsolete.
Hell the Americans use a machine gun made in World War 1.
Just because it is an old design doesn't mean it is obsolete. The H-6 has enough upgraded parts that even a B1-B bomber would be jealous of.
Why the fuck would the Russians buy an old design of their own back from China you retard?
Are you high from eating too many virgin boy piss eggs?
I know it's an obsolete design but gosh darn if that ain't a pretty aircraft
Maybe Mao's starvations were for the best. If there's no food then there's not of...that.
That's true. So was the similarly styled Myasishchev M-4. In general, the Cold War strategic bombers from all nations looked pretty cool.
>Why the fuck would the Russians buy an old design of their own back from China
Because China upgraded it better for the 21th Century. China has the fastest computer to compute what is needed to be done to update the systems for the next generation warfare. Something that Russia cannot do because they do not have money.
speaking of einstein
convincing everybody that human pilots are the way to go, and then putting cutting-edge thinking machines in your most advanced aircraft, but giving them human names and representing them as "flying aces" portrayed by actors on morning show interviews... seems like the actual way to go
not that we had all this alien technology back in WW1 or anything.
that'd be crazy, if you thought that.
Vulcan is a great plane, I also like the Victor. Never really seen anyone saying anything about the Valiant, which is kind of sad but even its designers knew it was just a placeholder for the most part.
You mean an impressive aircraft.
>Why do they feel the need to upgrade
That's a genially a good question. Backfire is almost 50 years old.
>Has refueling probe, which is illegal under the American New START Treaty
Tu-22M is not a heavy bomber according to the American New START Treaty.
Thinese bombers are just improved (subsonic) Tu-16 Badgers - a bomber Russia retired in the early 90's, and had long before than relegated to maritime patrol and non-combat roles
>Hell the Americans use a machine gun made in World War 1.
The M2 was made in the 1920's after WW1
Harpoon isn't obsolete by the sole virtue that it can be land and air launched (plane and helo), but it is obsolete at sea on anything larger than a corvette/cutter
>Tu-22M is not a heavy bomber according to the American New START Treaty.
Because it does not have a refueling probe, now that it does then it becomes a heavy bomber.
>Tu-22M3M
All there is, is ONE single airframe they took out of storage. I doubt it will go anywhere.
>The H-6 has enough upgraded parts that even a B1-B bomber would be jealous of.
Absolutely not. The Bone carrys just shy of the empty H-6 weight. The B-1s (every single one of them) has a pesa radar, a jammer, and a geolocating RWR.
The Chinese analogue has AESA radar using GaN transistors capable of receiving and transmitting at the same time. Making it capable of being an AEW super Jammer plane and a bomber at the same time. And also B-1 cannot do RWR as well as H-6, even Wikipedia agrees.
>PESA
lol
No matter how you spin it, the H-6 is still a subsonic bomber and trying to take it into the air against a naval force would result in interception unless there was a sizable escort with it.
>The Chinese analogue has AESA radar using GaN transistors capable of receiving and transmitting at the same time.
Not on the H-6.
The Chinese have no analog to the B-1 or even the B-52. The H-6 analog would be the P-8.
>The Chinese have no analog to the B-1 or even the B-52.
No publicly-known analogue.
If you think any major power is making all their cards public when military technology has supposedly barely advanced since the 60s, you might be fucking retarded.
I know hardware wanking is really fun but when you make these authoritative declarations never forget that we're basically playing fantasy football with a bunch of assholes hiding their real power level.
>analogue
isn't the whole point to make your enemy's paradigm obsolete
comparing the global power projection paradigm of an imperial hegemony to a power which doesn't want to do that particular thing is always dumb as hell
perfect parity is irrelevant. it's like we've learned nothing from starcraft
not that we can have a real conversation about the subject since the "haha chinkshit" posters wanna shit jingo every fucking time
ohh yes chinese are keeping all dem bumbers in quantum pockets
Vector traps, actually.
>bombers can't refuel
What
>north korea isn't a huge potempkin state atop a massive honeycomb of underground battlemech hangars
lol bombers
>keeping a major bomber program under wraps for no reason at all.
>being able to keep large numbers of bombers under wraps at all
They do have to train.
>for no reason at all
Gonna just fall back on the aforementioned "you might just be retarded" on this one.
That's well and good, but the claim was the Chinese have an analog to the B-1. They don't.
Saying "well China does not need or want it" is irrelevant to the central claim made by that user.
>they have a bunch of bombers they don't train with.
And you call others retarded.
>chang delusions the post
yeah, russians should totaly buy obsolete design that is their own
russians retirted tu-16 becasue they wanted to boost chink economy buy buing h-6 from them
Nobody said either of those things.
>hangars filled with 60s jets
woah now that's what i call IMPRESSIVE
How will they train without being seen in a fucking strategic bomber, brainlet?
Nah dood dey have hundreds of sino B-1s because reasons!
yeah but if you think the US thinks the B-1 is their trump card you're just as dumb as someone who thinks it matters whether China has something comparable to the B-1 specifically
kicking around middle eastern states with basically 60s technology is one thing, an actual conflict between superpowers is another: both sides would bring their A-game, and the only thing we know about anyone's A-game is that it's secret as fuck
>60s jets
>battlemechs
k
When did I say the B-1 is a trump card? Even imply it? All that I stated was the factual statement that the Chinese do no have a B-1 equivalent. They don't.
Haha yeah just imagine the nation who has managed to capture the industrial base of the entire planet having something up their sleeve. Crazy, I tell you.
oh yeah they keep everything in secret
chinks totaly don't go into the world and start screaming "ROOK AT WHAT WE HAVE, AMERICA U DONE ROROROOROROROR"
remeber that laser AK?
youtube.com
im sure there is hangar filled with dozen QUANTUM SUPER COUMPETR LASER BOMBERS in china
>A youtube made by an amateur
>Taken as true by Jow Forums
AHAHAHAHAHAHA,
full of quantum b-1 in quantum sleeves
can go back to where ever fuck you came from ?
>They don't.
You heard it here first! Everyone can relax now.
What part of "hiding your power level" is confusing to you?
I mean that isn't a fundamental tenet of strategy or anything, so I'm sure everyone is disclosing literally everything to the public and dumbfuck Jow Forums posters are fully abreast of the state of technology.
Oh yeah dood they got nigger work exported to them that makes them have hangers and hangers of sino B-1s.
How do they train, fiddy?
do you want tissue chang?
I'm from the future, idiot.
>How do they train
Why don't you think about that one for a second.
you're retarded chink that's all
everything china has been building has been going public, from j-20 to their supposed railgun
if they'd actually want to keep quiet they'd make world belive they still use flanker copies instead chinks go screaming everywhere
>WE ARE THE BEST AMERICAN PIGGU U AFRAID YET?
while showing of their half baked prototypes
Yes. They don't. There is hiding projects, and then there is hiding a strategic bomber.
Strategic bombers by definition has to be employed in large numbers to be effective. Otherwise they are not a strategic asset. So, brainlet, they hid an entire bomber program with pilots, ground crew, manufacturing base, funding, and everything else?
No.
Frankly I wouldn't mind doing to them what they did in the turner diaries. Aaand that just set off a red flag because I said turner diaries. Why are the FBI, NSA, and general us government against the good fight? Are they that desperate for jewish pennies and loyal to their captors to the extreme?
>Lel I don't have to explain my conspiracy theroys.
Yep. Just like China you dont have shit.
it's a huge relief that Americans are literally this retarded because you fuckers need to become extinct ASAP.
Cool story kiddo. Sorry your retarded fan fiction didn't play out.
>another r/asianmasculnity chink infesting Jow Forums
you cockroaches are everywhere
Jow Forums, Jow Forums, Jow Forums, Jow Forums and even on Jow Forums
>get told truth
>"ha ha you are retarded"
中国人不是人 他们是动物
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It can carry 4 Kinzhals. F*ck.
>Strategic bombers by definition has to be employed in large numbers to be effective.
I'm starting to think you have no idea what "strategic bomber" actually means.
This isn't 1944. The idea behind strategic bombing has nothing to do with the scale of the operation the aircraft is involved in. It's a matter of whether or not the aircraft has the payload and range to destroy strategic targets in enemy territory. By your definition the F-22 could be a strategic bomber if you fly enough of them in formation over a target.
>you can have one bomber and have it be strategic.
Lel, no. God damn this fucking brainlet. Explain this. en.m.wikipedia.org
How did a thread about impressive Chinese technologies derail into trolls that dissuade others from learning about Chinese factual information?
>Chinese
>factual
HA! Best joke all thread.
maybe stop spaming chink shit on Jow Forums chang and people will actaully want to discuss it
>plane designed in the 50s with 50s technology in mind
>superior the plane designed 20 years later
if it works that why why chinks even bother making copy of soviet flankers?
just fill mig 19 with new technology and call it a day
im sure chink modernised mig 19 will have parts that even f-35 will be jealous of
>21th
i hope you ar etrolling you retard, the chinese bomber is literally a copy of a soviet era bomber that the russians retired decades ago, what kind of stupidity would it be to buy from the chinese an altered version of something they stopped using so long ago
It is an improved version, far better than the Russian copy and the American alternative. Yes it looks the a 50's design but that's just it, aesthetics. It has AEW capabilities that rival Western planes. And is far more superior than any plane Russia has fielded so far. The true technical specs of the H-6 is covered in a fog of war but is generally considered by internet experts to be extremely impressive if current technological standards is used.
>is generally considered by internet experts to be extremely impressive
>internet experts
Next thing you know, Chinese warlocks will start telling the media that American tech is inferior.
Why do slavs planes look so brutal and rapey
Because the Chinese and Russians have never gotten along well, and because they don't want to be reliant on Chinese technical assistance, parts, etc. If they don't give those contracts to domestic manufacturers, their homegrown/soviet legacy technical capability will further degrade due to lack of income and use. If you don't employ your skilled professionals, they get poached by other countries and take your state secrets with them, and you're left with no ability to build new equipment if shit hits the fan and China decides "ummmm, no more planes k".
The Tu22M3 has one of the sexiest mecha aesthetics. I want one on my lawn.
buttmad yank do you really think this works?
美国人不是人,他们是动物。
9月11日7号塔没有飞机
So the soldiers on the ground know it's theirs
Its copied from that disney movie tin giant
Pure Sex