How do Russia and China train their respective pilots to combat an aircraft as overwhelmingly superior as the F-22A? What kind of tactics would they actually employ to at least somewhat even the odds? In addition, do the pilots actually believe that they can win? It just seems so weird that the average Russian pilot would certainly have access to Wikipedia to read up on just how dominant the F-22 is, in addition to the supplemental lessons learned in their classes.
How do Russia and China train their respective pilots to combat an aircraft as overwhelmingly superior as the F-22A...
Camden Richardson
Dominic Johnson
>how do others train for F22
to bait them into SAM curtain CYKA
Eli Carter
>They don't realize the F-22 is actually our second-rate fighter and that the F-19 is ready to stomp at the drop of a hat.
Luke Gray
Probably rape.
Samuel Hill
russians have way more problems than trying to fuck with f-22, they barely can shit out 500 fighters
china, yeah sure why not
Alexander Adams
Flip on some Goas and wait for it to rain.
Matthew Bell
Russia doesn't operate the Goa anymore.
Christopher Brooks
Because they'll never enter their territory lol. They're a logistical nightmare. Not carrier bound, RAM coating that needs constantly reapplication and special hangars. I think you even needed a special machine to supply temperature altered air to make it takeoff.
Tyler Cook
>They still don't understand the F-19, the TAW-50, or the TR-3B.
Eli Cook
The primary task of the F-22 is to clear the airspace for normal friendly aircraft can operate though. Like it or not, the Russians know damn well that in any conflict with the US (particularly that over Europe), the F-22 would be the first plane to knock their pilots' teeth down their slavic throats.
Ayden Jones
>How do Russia and China train their respective pilots to combat an aircraft as overwhelmingly superior as the F-22A? What kind of tactics would they actually employ to at least somewhat even the odds?
Ignoring actually fighting the jet itself, there is bombing the airbases from where it operates with stand off munitions, and focusing on the force multipliers like AWACS and tankers without which the F-22 would just be a rather mediocre fighter.
Luke King
>The F-19 would shrek the entire Russian air force with one EMP bawmb.
Daniel Russell
I can't stop laughing when reading about the TAW 50. It sounds like a sanic writer tried to come up with an airplane.
Easton Robinson
>implying that a six AMRAAM, low RCS, agile fighter with supercruise, an LPI AESA radar and LPI datalink is in any way mediocre, even if not operating in its ideal ecosystem
Bentley Brooks
You seem pretty well versed, so I suppose I'll ask...how exactly would the Russian Air Force go about eliminating the AWACS and tankers if they're guarded by F-22s? More standoff missiles?
Ethan Wood
But it's da weel deal ya see.
Colton Watson
you wouldnt need an F-19 to shrek the russian airforce. you just need to wait for them to actually try.
Nathan Mitchell
Friendly reminder in 5 years there will be more J-20s than F-22s.
Friendly reminder than in 10 years, there will be more AESA equipped Type-55s than PESA equipped Burkes.
American dominance is going to end so fast their asses will be red from the door hitting them on the way out.
Elijah Rogers
>He doesn't know the J-20 is nothing compared to our twenty TAW-50 space interceptafighterbomberdodgersnipercannonblaster orbital Mach 50 planes.
Cooper Martinez
Friendly reminder that the J-20 is dangerously incompetent when compared to the F-22. Friendly reminder that the United States military industrial complex eats disadvantages for dinner, and shits them out in the form of fuck-all levels for new technology development. Wanna see dominance? Tell Congress that the Chinks and the Slavs have a perceived advantage. Then the US cooks up some new weapons system that sets us ahead for another fifteen years. Eat a dick, son.
Adam Evans
Daily reminder that the Aurora is thirty years old.
Daily reminder that the Pitman combat exoskeleton is twenty-seven years old.
Daily reminder that the US has a 10-15 year advantage in body armor development.
Daily reminder that the US has a badass navy.
Daily reminder that the US' surface assets only add up to a fraction of our real force, which is kept in a separate "nation" deep underground, bridged by the Subterrene nuclear tunnel drill tunnels between Los Alamo and Dulce Base.
Kayden Gutierrez
LPI doesn't extend to when your opponents all sport the same phased array frequency agile radars. The F-22 would have to emit which drastically reduces the surprise factor and prevents the aircraft from abusing his superior situational awareness to obtain a good position preferably within NEZ as most fighters have MAWS nowadays and out of the cone of the opponent's radar coverage. It then devolves into a shitty dogfight the F-22 is not designed or equipped to deal with.
>You seem pretty well versed, so I suppose I'll ask...how exactly would the Russian Air Force go about eliminating the AWACS and tankers if they're guarded by F-22s? More standoff missiles?
Why yes. Does the F-22 have weapons that can intercept standoff missiles? or does it even have the ability to dash hundreds of kms in time to intercept the launch platforms before they can launch?
Nathan Thompson
given how every other airforce in the world has not done what you are saying, i think you might not be correct.
Blake Reed
>shitty dogfight the F-22 is not designed or equipped to deal with
>designed or equipped to deal with
No idea why anyone is calling you well-versed. You sound like a fucking invalid. What is the AIM-120 AMRAAM? What is the AIM-9X? I would hate to be a Russian pilot that read this on a board and then flew up on the morning of WWIII with this in his head. Little would he know that little Timofey and Natsia would never see him again, all because he thought his SU-27 could tangle in a knifefight with the F-22 Raptor. A real shame.
Joshua Ortiz
What's worse is that the F-22s will be the second wave. This Russian pilot is going to need to intercept F-19s and he doesn't have a MIG-41 yet.
Sebastian Gutierrez
Jackson Ross
Chairman Mao, please go
Christian Perry
>given how every other airforce in the world has not done what you are saying, i think you might not be correct.
Tell that to the chinks, who have phased array radars even for their light fighters and are working on standoff missiles similar to the R-37, if they haven't bought or licensed the thing themselves.
>No idea why anyone is calling you well-versed. You sound like a fucking invalid. What is the AIM-120 AMRAAM? What is the AIM-9X? I would hate to be a Russian pilot that read this on a board and then flew up on the morning of WWIII with this in his head. Little would he know that little Timofey and Natsia would never see him again, all because he thought his SU-27 could tangle in a knifefight with the F-22 Raptor. A real shame.
a shitty missile flankers would be able to duck or dodge. Its not exactly the best AAM there is on the market. Meanwhile the Flanker pilot has the option of AAMs with different seeker heads and his plane can carry more of them which doesn't bode well for the receiver who now has to duck/dodge more missiles with different countermeasures for each type.
Noah Wood
>J-20 is dangerously incompetent when compared to the F-22
Name literally one disadvantage the J-20 has compared to the F-22, which has:
>No EODAS
>No HMD
>No wing mounted EMR
>No IRST
>No exterior launch rails
>90s tier AESA
The F-22 is also the plane that couldn’t fire the AIM-9X until extremely recently.
You have a case with the F-35, don’t even try to pretend the F-22 isn’t horse and cart compared to the J-20.
>But m-muh canards
Curbstomped by wave analysis years ago. By all it accounts it has a signature a fraction the size of previous Chinese warplanes.
Ryder Anderson
For the Russians, I'd imagine that they'd use shittier MiGs to bait the F-22s to leave them in a position whey're they're vulnerable against their small wing of SU-57s and try to take out as much as possible before their airspace is overrun entirely, accomplishing their objectives beforehand.
For the Chinese, I think they sincerely believe that the J-20 performs identically so they just try to counter their own planes.
Brayden Campbell
You need to drop either the greentext or the words implying that
Ethan Cooper
>to bait them into SAM curtain CYKA
Won't work very long, US has been putting huge amount of funds into anti-area denial system weapons (this means long range AA missiles).
Currently the main idea is to use air-recoverable sacrificial drones to locate AA systems and then attack them with cheaper-than-usual stand-off weapons (the drones themselves, extended range artillery, missile systems).
The whole idea is to go in with cheap, numerous stuff to locate the high-tech enemy AA systems, attack it from long range and after this part is over, let hell break loose by sending in the air force to finish enemy air defenses.
Blake Phillips
Won't work, just because America is putting huge funds doesn't mean Russian or Chinese systems are just standing still, they are also evolving. Not to mention the current amount of systems that a 'long range' AA (WTF why?) missile has to wade through in order to reach a radar is a lot. Drones are already countered by ECW and Russia or China has a lot of them already fielded. Also extended range artillery? Wut.
You sound like a 12 year old. Are you a 12 year old girl by any chance?
David Thompson
China can't even produce engines on par with 20 years old Russian designs not to mention western ones.
And entire current generation of Chines is a bunch of pampered one child policy babies unfit for combat.
Cooper Foster
>How do Russia and China train their respective pilots to combat an aircraft as overwhelmingly superior as the F-22A?
It can't even carry A2G. Oh wait it can bomb mudhuts. Unfortunately there is no mudhuts in China.
Anthony Gomez
>outdated computers
>no IRST
>no DIRCM
>4th gen radar was 3rd gen before.
>no AESA sensor warhead
>no GaN jammers
Why even bother competing with this?
Brayden Johnson
>China can't even produce engines
HI! I GOT SUPRISEFROM YOUR UKRAINIAN DEMOCRACY FRIENDS MY LITTLE BITCH!!
China's Ukrainian jet engines
washingtontimes.com
Jason Torres
i agree. you should just nuke russkis and move along to their recources..
Ayden Price
>Won't work very long, US has been putting huge amount of funds into anti-area denial system weapons (this means long range AA missiles)."
Its not like the Russians are sleeping either in defeating SEAD operations.
qr.ae
With all the hurr durrr US number 1 aircraft booo Russia sucks. This user's answers would cause Jow Forums to malfunction. So beware everyone's been warned.
Mason Adams
no no.. let us drop some watter out of russian boutles and start to attack the russians..
ITS A TIME FOR A WAR MY GOY!!
Juan Baker
>Russian
they just got half of their soviet economical power back. thanks to sanctions american and euro dumb fucks put on russians, russians doent need to care about what euros and americunts have to say about their rebuilding.
also you really should jump on this offer.
Putin proposed eastern Ukraine vote to Trump in Helsinki
theguardian.com
shall you not do it, there will be genocide of ukrainian jews as next step and russians will be just random bystander in that matter.
Joseph Foster
They don't need to. F-22a beling to USA only. War with US immidiatly goes nuclear.
Joseph Bailey
bullshit. the war will be done by biological warfare and some cybergenetic virus which is not under restrictions of bio-warfare. like that where US State dep using transfats and genetically modified food to keep races other than white down.
Jonathan Foster
Commie Begone
Juan Adams
Great larp Pajeet
After 5 years you have been slightly improving
But we still all know its you
Caleb Perry
>its true i read it on a blog by professional gook enthusiasts
Jaxson Brooks
>haves the option of different seeker heads
Lol the R-77 is hardly even in service nigger, they’re mostly still using R-27 variants.
>semi-active Radar homing AAMs are still the RUAF mainstay
They’re a joke
Robert Nguyen
Just wait for the rest of them to crash, 6 have crashed already.
Aiden Fisher
Wow, if there were He same number of F-23s as Su-57s that might be a big deal
Grayson Robinson
>By all it accounts it has a signature a fraction the size of previous Chinese warplanes.
You say this like it's some amazing feat when it's the first chinese attempt at stealth aircraft. Of course it's going to have a lower RCS than their Soviet clones from a few years ago.