What is Jow Forums's opinion of break action shotguns, and how effective they might be in home defense?

It is a very simple gun to learn and operate under stress.
Not a lot of internal parts to break; not many tactical upgrade parts to buy and pay someone to install.
Totally unsuited for the modern world.

>how effective they might be in home defense?
you tards are killing Jow Forums

Coach guns are adequate for HD.

There are many significantly better options.

If they hit they're as effective as any other shotgun
If they miss you only have another 1 or 2 shots left

Joe Bidden tier home defense
Man I've been seeing a lot of way older memes lately. Is there some kind of oldfag revival going on that I didn't get the chain letter for?

They're effective for the two rounds they fire, and they look cool.

A Mossberg 500 or an AR-15 do a much better job at HD.

>you only have another 1 or 2 shots left

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o fugg

youtube.com/watch?v=Prziwvjq46g
I keep a pump myself

but I wouldn't feel any underprepared if all I had was a coach gun.
you got 2 shots of buck that can be put on somebody in a second.
Jow Forums needs to quit acting like home defense means swat teams stacking up at your door and about to breach.

I'd take a coach gun over a glock with a 30 round mag for home defense.

why do break action shotguns not have a switch to empty all barrels at the same time? incase you really hate someone.

Just make sure it has a proper drop safety. You don't want it going off if it got knocked over.

Joe is that you?

Fuck all you cryptograbbers saying a sxs is a HD weapon.

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barrellet

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If you can't kill some hi-point wielding nog in your house with a SxS then you need an adjudication for being a literal retard

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That would make them machine guns.

Just pull both triggers at the same time?

>we metro 2033 now

What about 3 hi point wielding nogs?

Side by sides are shit you fucking poor ass nigger
Over under forever

I mean discharging all the barrels at the same time for a wall of death (if buckshot)

Chiappa Triple Threat

Only shoot one and hope the other 2 run away

See

>there were better choices in 1893
>designed by Our Lord and Savior, JMB
FTFY

dad's break action double barrel has a triggerlet for that, he says it's to pull both with just one pull. IDK if such mechanisms are commonplace. I even wonder if 1 barrel break action exists, but then high cal. (like 20mm)

Not even half of all break-action shotguns have dual triggers, single selective triggers have been standard since the 1920's and have been available since the 1880's.

If only they weren't 1.4k

Not that commonplace. I'm not that first guy, but my grandfather's has two triggers as well. Though it's old enough that it was probably his father's gun, too.

>. I even wonder if 1 barrel break action exists, but then high cal. (like 20mm)

There were some, mainly for commercial hunting. There were also some heavy 4 bore guns for dangerous game- they were what the guide used when Duke Cant-Aim missed and something large and angry was within stomping distance.

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Shoot the first two, tomahawk throw for the third.

And ammo

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touche

I smell a Destructive Device...

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You're fucking stupid, then...

Sporting exemption

Who cares if it's good for home defense you can get other guns for that too don't you want to larp as doom guy with your 10 gauge super shotgun?

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Incase you want to decide ''closed casket'' for their funeral?

Very high.
They're fine.

Can you get a sporting exemption for a punt gun?

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Rotating barrel cam firing pin > multiple triggers

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Black powder, don't need one.

Holy shit, I know what my new range toy is gonna be.

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If you live in a area where that is an actual threat, then you most likely couldn't get anything better anyways

>how effective they might be in home defense?
Underrated. You know, side-by-side double-barrel rifles are preferred for dangerous-game hunting because of their extreme reliability. The same reasoning should apply to shotguns for self defense. You've got basically two complete guns bolted together, with separate chambers, barrels, triggers, and firing mechanisms.

In storage, on the range, and once the danger has passed, the safety advantage of a break-action gun comes into play, since it's readily apparent whether they're open or closed, and they can't fire when open. A pump or semi-auto needs to be inspected rather closely to determine whether it might go off, whereas a break action looks entirely different when open from as far as you can see that it's a gun.

Pump guns are famously suitable for home defense, and yet short-shucking under stress is relatively common. Semi-autos jam sometimes. Any spring-loaded magazine can fail over time if kept loaded. While it's advisable to practice regularly and maintain your guns, life gets busy, and odds are that a home-defense weapon will end up sitting in a closet for five years untouched, and then you'll suddenly need it.

Yes, two shots is a low capacity, but most defensive shootings are resolved with one or two shots, and shotguns have excellent stopping power. Plus it doesn't take long to reload. It's a good option, especially if you're not planning to get a lot of practice.

::CRACCK::

::SIP::

now thats a shotgun.

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DB shotguns are like revolvers
there are way better options out there, but only a few things come close to a great Revolver / DB

If it's all you have use it, but it's not ideal.

is it possible (read: legal) to make one in 30mm in case Stalin comes back from the dead?

For killing deadites, accept no substitutes

>Any spring-loaded magazine can fail over time if kept loaded.

This is not how metal fatigue works. Really, how the fuck can you even still believe this meme?
Springs get worn out from being loaded and unloaded, not from sitting compressed.

Furthermore, I have 2 nam era 20 rounders that have probably been used 1000s of times. They work fine, and while I wouldn't pick them for real combat, I suspect they still would work great for it.

A 4 bore gun is roughly 26mm, and a 2 bore roughly 33mm, so yes.

i shot a trible barrel for the first time a few days ago, would definitely reccomend buying it

If it's what you have/all you can afford, learn how to use it effectively and you'll be able to defend yourself with it.

>This is not how metal fatigue works.
Indeed, it's not metal fatigue, it's creep.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creep_(deformation)

Springs can be stored in an uncompressed state pretty much forever, but if you store them compressed for long enough, that will eventually become their relaxed shape. How much time depends on exactly what material they're made of, and factors like storage temperature, but it will happen eventually. Maybe it'll take 30 years, maybe it'll take 3 years. You can't know until it happens.

If you put a fully-loaded pump-action shotgun, or an AR-15 with a 30-round STANAG magazine, in your closet for home defense, and you come back ten years later and pull it out to defend your home, maybe it'll work, and maybe it won't. Put a side-by-side shotgun away for ten years (uncocked) and pull it out to defend your home, it'll work.

what if youre a doom fan and want to larp as doom guy

Stored magazines from the 1920s have worked just fine.

The funny thing is that side-by-sides are relatively expensive due to how they've fallen out of fashion again.

And?
Whose putting an AR away for 30 years to pull out in a home defence scenario? Give all your neighbors rifles to put in their closets instead

Right
Any decent AR and a few mags with a case of ammo is gonna be cheaper than a sxs 12guage

I notice that you didn't start that sentence with "all" (or provide a source for that claim). Compressed springs do fail sometimes. It's not predictable.

It's not going to be a problem if you're shooting regularly and rotating your detachable magazines: then you'll notice the failure and replace the failed part. Bottom line: anything with springs in it should either be stored with those spring unloaded, or tested every few months to make sure those springs are still working.

>>Maybe it'll take 30 years, maybe it'll take 3 years.
>Whose putting an AR away for 30 years
Idiot.

Anyway, things don't always go as you plan. Maybe you figure you'll always have time to go to the range once a month, then you get married, you have kids, work gets hectic, your favorite range sells to an asshole, and you just stop. Before you know it, you haven't touched your guns in years. Then you hear a noise in the night...

You can't get a decent AR-15 and a bunch of stuff to go with it for $300:
cheaperthandirt.com/product/century-international-arms-side-by-side-shotgun-20-gauge-20-barrels-2-rounds-3-chamber-wood-stock-blued-sg1077n-787450007147.do

Anyway, a lot people look into whether a gun is usable for a task because what they've got is a hand-me-down. There are a lot of old side-by-sides around. I'd certainly recommend a pump-action over a side-by-side for home defense if you're buying new, but odds are, if you ever need it, a side-by-side will do the job.

Oh, are we playing the source game? Cool. Please give one example where leaving a magazine loaded caused it to fail.

Apart from some possible issues of user-friendliness there are no advantages over a pump action.

Wait until two are squeezed close enough together that your spread covers them both, duh.

Wish they weren’t so expensive. >moscow metro, year 2033
As retarded as it sounds that would classify it as a machine gun. Don’t think I need to go further than that.

>Oh, are we playing the source game? Cool. I claimed I had an example, but provided no source for it. Therefore, what we should do now is that I shouldn't provide a source for my claim, and you should produce an example with source.
You are literal garbage.

Anyway, here's Paul Harrell talking about the issue and giving some examples of springs on firearms that he encountered that had failed because they were stored compressed for a long period of time:
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It's an unpredictable thing. It depends on the quality of the metal, it depends on the design of the part, and whether the spring is tightly compressed or whether it still has a way left to go, it depends on the temperature and on the schedule of temperature variations, it depends on whether there are mechanical stresses such as handling or vibration, etc. If you're storing springs compressed for long periods of time, they might fail or they might not.

Oh, so you don't have an actual source :(

>home defense

It's about hunting with the lads in the afternoon after tea then retiring to the smoking room for cigars and brandy.

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I linked to an experienced (some would say obsessive) firearms user talking on the record, under his real name, about various springs that he has encountered which had failed from being stored compressed. That's a source, you fucking garbage.

You, on the other hand, who started with these claims of specific examples, have produced nothing. And you argued that an example of a spring not failing after being stored under compression, is evidence that springs never fail by being stored under compression, which is a fundamental logical error. Because you're garbage.

And now that you're losing the argument, you're shifting to, "LOL, I'm getting him to reply, so I'm winning. I never actually meant to win an argument. I'm trolling, and it's working!" because you're garbage.

Does the boomer on the right realise the full magnitude of damage his generation has caused?

Classic choice for home defense, and just as effective as any other shotgun, just with lower capacity. They're considered the ultimate fudd gun, but who cares. They're aesthetically pleasing.

Pump is much slower shooting twice then a break action.
Break action has faster shots, 2 shots instantly vs working an action and praying it works before lining up another.
If anyone is around for the third shot your going to need more then a shotgun to stop them.

Side by side has a better pattern.
Its less likely to miss a moving target.

I have a single shot break open 12 gauge attached under my bed frame. With a .45acp on night stand. If I hear shit I am bringing the loaded Baikal MP18 shotgun with .45 in waist.
Kill with single shot shotgun? Oh noes police need to take as evidence. Now I am out $80.

Pic related is my home defense.

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Let’s say you’re in a poverty stricken state like India or semi-restricted like some European country

It’s a decent replacement if you can’t get a pump or semi auto. All you would have to do is buy a reproduction, cut the barrels to legal length (preferrably carbine length), get a good recoil pad, polish the chambers, and learn how to cowboy load.

Now you have something that can still get out a decent volune of lead at close range.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=a75WhTYqGFs

>a single bout of anecdotes not controlling for the variable you claim whatsoever is definitive proof
That's not how it works.

>what is Jow Forums's opinion of break action shotguns
Incredibly fun sporting guns.
>and how effective they might be in home defense?
I prefer pump or semi auto. Nothing like a Vepr-12 to the face to repel redguards.

One anecdote would be sufficient for an existence proof. Furthermore, if you watch the video, he's talking about official US military findings, where they acknowledged that their magazines were failing if they were left loaded, and directed personnel to repair them by removing the springs and stretching them out again. Do you think he's making that up?

This is a familiar issue. It's a well-established trait of springs generally, you complete fucking retard.

If you still doubt this, read about it from a spring company:
rockfordspring.com/relaxation-of-springs
>Relaxation of springs is a function of a fairly high stress (but usually lower that required to cause set) over a period of time. A spring held at a certain stress will actually relax more in a given time than a spring cycled between that stress and a lower stress. The reason is that it spends more time at the high stress.

Now go be garbage somewhere else.

If 12, 20, 16, and 28 Ga didn't have a sporting exemption they would be too.

Ah yes, the cannonball lancher.

He doesn't know how guns work he just has a hi point

Notice how I said not controlled for? Obviously materials will degrade over time if not cared for properly. Pay attention.

I think a break action would be a step up compared to my pistol for home defense. I like the look of SxS's and if it's got two hammers/triggers I would probably use it for home defense without any worry. I don't know about those kind of models that have 1 trigger and 2 barrels like most o/u for that.
I just think being able to launch 2 12 gauge rounds at the same time kind of makes up for it maybe having to be reloaded. Up close in a house or something that should probably really do the trick on just about anything aggressive.

Why don't they make then with 5 barrels? Then, that would be a replacement of a pump shotgun

>then you get married, you have kids
Does this still happen?

How bad is the recoil?

its probably the amount of recoiil youd expect from a fucking tank turret firing, and youre right behind it

RIP

This. If you have a wife or family members who might need to use your gun for defense making it simple to operate is worth the capacity cost.