Should EMT's be allowed to carry?

Did paramedic training. I, personally, would not carry while doing medic things, because it distracts from my purpose, helping patients.

Having said that, they need escorts in any hostile environment, and not to pussy out and wait for the cops to clear a building

>tfw Doc Wagon performs a heroic rescue to save you from a megacorp and proceeds to bill you for all of their dead employees
>all 10 of them

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In some rural counties near me EMT/paramedics have the option due to police being 1-2 hours away

Shoulda sprung for Super Plat level, chummer.

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I think they and firefighters do carry

As user mentioned earlier, pic in OP is more like Pararescue-for-hire or a PMC whose main focus is to escort you alive to a hospital.
Not really comparable to EMT or paramedic services we have today.

>tfw no curving bullet smartgun

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To be fair, when you're expected to go inside a den of cybernetically enhanced and heavily armed organ harvesters at a moments notice before the police can show up packing some heat might be a good idea.

>probably not, the type of person you want saving lives shouldn't be given a gun and the opportunity to use it.
So normal people should be allowed to carry guns but a trained medical professional who has to respond to potentially dangerous incidents shouldn't? Any EMT who is eligible to get a CCW should also be allowed to carry on the job.

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>tfw no hyper militarized private medical insurance

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Yes. Not all of them though.

>In the US, they wait for cops 100%.
They actually don't, it's been reported that more than half the time, EMT will not wait until cops show.

>T. Emt fag of 9yrs

>tfw no cyberpunk tesla gun

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That's a very broad generalization, fren.

>ywn be a mercenary parajumper
Feels bad man.

Hi I'm an EMT. Most of my coworkers carry on the job even though it's technically against policy. Some people even wear kevlar vests. I guess if you work in some rich area or something you won't have to deal with all the sleezy drug addicts overdosing and going into crime heavy areas all the time, but a lot of departments have to deal with these. You also will run into people that are downright hostile towards anyone in a uniform, people refusing treatment getting violent, people other than the patient not wanting you to treat the patient getting violent, stuff like that. Police are typically only called to the scene if it's suspected a crime has been committed, otherwise we have to call for backup if we feel like we need it and you never know how long it might take to get there.

I'm a volunteer ff/emt and I wouldnt carry. I already look very similar to a cop and some people are reluctant to receive help from cops. I'm there to help people and if it ain't safe I wait. Now longest Ive waited for cops to show up was half an hour, so I understand why some people would rather not wait. BSI scene safe and all that though.

Now, I would wear some low profile body armor if I could though

Paramedic here. It's nothing like you see on television. If I was in some turbo shithole I *might* carry, but that's only with the knowledge that it would still be against my employment for me to do so

Yes, they drive around in a vehicle full of fucking drugs.

They're already a target for set-up calls.

It's their 2nd amendment right, so sure.

Fuck no

This, overpaid liberal cucks the lot of them

As others have pointed out, we're not talking about fucking doctors.

Everyone should be allowed to carry.

Every EMT I know waits for cops. What the fuck do you have to gain by trying to treat a trauma patient with the guy who did the stabbing in the front door.

>t.EMT

>volly EMT and they make us wear badges

EMTs arent a symbol of authority. Gun and a badge is just pushing it.

Isn't fucking a bad guy up justification enough?

absolutely. Not a fan of depriving somebody's right to carry just because you have them on the clock, let alone people with such a dangerous job.

Many doctors are great it's the specialists who you are thinking of

>The real enemy are nurses

EMTs aren't there to play cowboy. Half the people you treat are "badguys"

>staging doesn't exist

>giving normalfags heart attacks

>creating new patients to treat
>handrubbing intensifies

two things: the Trauma Team guys with the guns weren't medics, they were security. The actual medic on the team wasn't packing.

Also, at least in new york, we only get police to clear an area when treating the victim of a violent crime. So shootings, stabbings, assault, that kind of stuff. If its just some rando who had a heart attack, why tf would we need police escort?

that's all backwards from my experience. I've spent a lot of time in hospital and doctors are the worst, well except for the slightly autistic "really top of my field" specialist doctors who are frequently turbo awful with a side of bad bed manners. Whole lot of "im an expert at y which makes me an expert on all things" going on there IME, if they don't know the answer to a question they bullshit it or deflect blame to the patient/nurses. Bad nurses just fuck up your vitals or are too burned out to talk to you. bad doctors try to cut on you for non existent problems(or ones that can't be solved that way) or tell you to fuck off and figure things out for yourself when you ask how you're supposed to just clip away ingrown toenails when they're literally growing directly into your toe instead of the normal direction. nurses typically lack the power and ego to be as dangerous as the average doctor.

So, what's another one? You neutralize the threat, then make sure they don't die, so they can mount the scaffold.

>Be nurse
>Constantly lobby all jobs away from medics
>Lobby jobs away from doctors with made up nurse practitioner "we're just like doctors... But we care more because we're nurses!"
>Get paid 2x as much as medic just to give needs, take vitals and wipe ass all day (when not acting superior to everyone because of how much you "care")
>Completely freeze up in any actual emergency that requires critical thinking
>"I can't do that... I don't have orders for it"
>"I can't check his blood sugar.. I don't have orders"
>"I can't put oxygen cannula on him... I don't have order
>"I DO have to start IV antibiotics on the patient before you take him to hospice... I HAVE orders"
>Try to give unit of blood to man with gsw to head and gcs 3 not even 5 minutes after family decides to pull the plug in the ER "it's part of our protocol (standing orders)"
>Then argue with doctor for ten minutes about it when he tells you to fuck off, claim informing family is HIPAA violation

Five steps back. Now.

I never could figure out why everyone in the medical community hates everyone else in the medical community.

exactly this. holy fuck entitlement everywhere. my mom is a nurse, and it's one reason I hate women, and nurses.

married with children too, but with serious hate.

Work EMS, fairly fit guy. I like my job, I do it well and I do it fast. Encounter a lot of drunk, psychotic, meth heads in my line of work. I do not think EMT's or medics should carry a firearm. Sorry I just don't trust other peoples judgment. But I do wish we could carry OC or bear spray. Maybe I lack to social skills to talk a psych patient down or to make meth head understand I am not there to kill them. One track minds that are convinced you are there to do them harm, when really you couldn't care less if they hurt/killed themselves. I can think of multiple occasions where I wish I had OC/ Bear spray

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Id say no, you are far too close to a patient in the back to safely keep control of your gun. and i knew way too many emts who had massive egos, i would bet it'd only be a few weeks before someone ends up shot. It sucks but it'd just make things more unsafe with all the mentally unstable people you have barely restrained in the back of an ambulance less than an arms reach away.

Medics tend to be very jaded but it's not entirely with out reasons. There's a reason for all the people we hate

>Nurses
Everything above but are also the "I'm a 40 yr old single mother and my son Aiden us the man of my house" types

>Firefighters
Just as nursing destroyed hospital medics before it could get off the ground, firefighters destroyed EMS. Firefighting like nursing is ancient and paramedicine threatened the status quo. Cities no longer burning so frequently and firemen riding their pension to retirement had to convince the public to continue eating taxpayers money and not close down the many unescessary stations.they did this by convincing the public that they were special and only they could do EMS. Naturally none of them wanted to do it so they do a fucking TERRIBLE job and they only do it until they have enough seniority to no longer have to be on the ambulance any more. Anywhere that EMS is merged into fire, quality of care enters the shitter

>EMT basics.
The state if EMT training is so fucking terrible it's abysmal. Hardly better than a basic CPR course but now they think they are doctors with only 12 weeks of training (3 days a week four hours each). For my EMT B clinicals I did 4 hours of TRIAGE, four hours of peds triage (again sitting in the corner and not Learning a damn thing) and 8 hours of fire (zero patients that shift. By contrast for medic school I had 2 years if education crammed into 10 months, some of the hardest testing I've ever experienced (and I'm no dummy) and 1000+ hours hands on experience. I'm talking 60+ hour weeks with no vacations and no weekends and no days off. Shut the fuck up basic, when I want to hear your opinion I will yank the chain around your neck. Now go drive my squad

>Residents
Lol residents aren't people

>Doctors
There comes a point where just like a teenager discovering that their parents aren't perfect, you realize that doctors can be retarded too

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Carry a taser
I worked as an ER Tech, but a lot of the guys we worked with carried them
>hurr it could kill them
A. you're complaining?
B. Courts really don't care if you kill with a taser as long as it's justified that you use it, and even if your IA or HR gets involved, they won't care since it's legal

everyone should be allowed to carry. except for mentally ill people and nonwhites

EMT's should be allowed to carry but a far better solution is to have a dedicated guard.

EMT here

Eat shit you faggot, this try hard over here thinks he rates cause he has a P card and learned to put a fucking tube in people's throats which he never fucking does or give IVs which a monkey could do. Your one of those fag ff's who think cause you work for county and you have a P card you rate. Eat shit faggot. Sitting back and watching you try to run the call yourself while making basic ass mistakes is fucking hilarious, im sure the hospital is really gonna care you have a P card when you fucking deliver a dead fucking pt you transported ALS cause more than half you fuckers don't do a fucking thing diff besides hook up the monitor, take an auto BP, and give an Iv. Fucking lol nigger

>Captcha was no shit fire hydrants

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In the context of cyberpunk, yeah, in the real world, there really isn’t a need. Pic unrelated

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This sounds like something my old man (a retired and eternally salty EMT) would say.

10/10

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Medic here, a good EMT is a great help. a shitbag emt can sit in the front and keep his mouth fucking shut. You seem like a salty shitbag, BLS skills are basic for a reason and the level of knowledge EMT's recieve is a joke.

Thanks senpai literally some of these medics think they're fucking gods cause they go to medic school which is literally 8 months, a good medic is a good EMT
Yea a shit medic can sit in the captains chair and write his fucking narrative like a good bitch too, yea maybe when you go to a shit bag school. A good medic is a good EMT. If a EMT is shit it's because he's in the wrong field exact fucking thing can be said for a medic. I know more dead people caused by negligence on the medics part by far than dead pts caused by Emts, holy fuck

carry what

everyone should carry

Just a question. I've been watching a lot of LivePD lately and its basically turned me into a fascist who thinks cops should be able to execute certain individuals on the spot for being a massive detriment to society. Is this true or am I just jaded from watching the scum of the earth constantly?

now imagine how police feel, dealing with "criminals" all day long.

i want to do the job but goddamn it burns out whatever love you have for humanity.

Ill be honest, as somebody whos been treated by several if not dozens of doctors, and dozens if not hundreds of nurses, you sound like you're full of shit. but then again this is all from the position of a patient and not a medical professional. I've definitely had bad nurses over the years but frankly it's a harder job to fuck up and much less impactful. my average bad nurse had bad bedside manner and couldnt stick me right without help, my average bad doctor refused to listen to anything but his own god complex until multiple nurses, nurse practitioners, and/or doctors took them aside and asked them to please not malpractice me.

Literally incomparable in terms of niggerdom as far as im concerned.

Surgeons and Dentists are super right wing and so are certain specialists.

verdantlabs.com/politics_of_professions/

My thoughts exactly, my blood gets boiling just watching the kind of subhumans they deal with daily. I get the feeling I'd end up executing someone if I had to deal with trash like that on the daily.

SHALL
NOT

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Medic you responded to here. Top kek this is exactly what I'm talking about. You're right! Any monkey can intubate or start IVs. In fact, I genuinely think EMT basic should have them in their scope. A medic is NOT a medic for his skills, but entirely for his clinical training and judgement. The fact that EMTs do not understand stand this demonstrates the vast gulf in training

Thought you do bring up the other point I have for people who medics hate the most...

>Other medics
There is a certain type of medic out there who is either burned out or only barely made it through medic school so they could get onto a fire department and are treating their current job as an expendable stepping stone. These people are lazy peices of trash and only just manage to barely scrape by with the minimum necessary to maintain their cards and do a disservice to the whole profession. After all the effort they put in to pass registry, to behave in the way they do is not a dissapointment to me, but a dissapointment to themselves

But if you still think it's about skills like IVs I'm telling you you really have no idea what we actually learn

Sounds like someone works for AMR.

This.
If an EMT now knows his safety is in his own hands and isn’t going to have cops to rely on to make his job secure, his safety and the securing of the patient is going to distract him and put unnecessary stress on the life saving. He should be able to focus on that without needing to worry about if someone’s eyeing him. Keeping the EMT safe shouldn’t be the responsibility of the EMT, not while they’re keeping someone else breathing. It’s too big a diversion.

>because of their clinical training
I don't think clinical training makes a good medic, it's gonna make them proficient at the skills they're suppose to know but a good medic like a good EMT i was saying above is someone who genuinely has an interest in using their knowledge they learned in school and extra education they've done to guide their skills and make their best judgements.

>shit medics
Yes they're who everyone hates, the ff's who are forced or volunteer to go to medic school to make more money or because they're told too, those are the medics were talking about.
>AMR
Thank christ I dont

100% of Emergency Personnel should carry shotguns and rifles 100% of the time, to 100% of calls. You never know when a BG will show up.

IV's are so fucking basic though. But I can see your point man, people need passion.

Dealing with FF medics who got pickuped by fire for being amateur athletes in college or were the cheifs Brothers son with complexes can make anyone salty when hearing that

Agreed. EMT-B here but I worked in a level 1 trauma center for years, and worked EMS for a few years. During long transport times, we'd receive critically ill patients, and say "well shit, you fixed them already." It all depends on the paramedics' education and experience. I'd trust some paramedics with my life more than most doctors. If you think paramedics just stick a tube down someone's throat, you really have no clue about the scope of practice. Paramedics work in an uncontrolled environment, with a billion different variables, and are expected to save a person's life while in the back of a 75mph top heavy death trap.

>america is so dangerous that medical prersonnel need to carry weapons
>the weapons are so poorly designed that the barrel is longer than the round itself with the muzzle being no more than two or three finger widths away from the mag well

>o top of it all, EMTs have to wear fall arrest harnesses, but are not issued kevlar vests, and their typical call, so typical it can be used to PR purposes, is ODing on some kind of vaporized blue paint

>also, they are all so poor they cant even have bright blue clothes, they're drab and have no reflective tapes or any other road safety shit

what a fucking shithole. why does america tolerate this? like i think that dude on the right isnt even holding his gun, hes just kinda clipping into it

You're misinformed. It's actually worse than you think it is.

This is what I want to hear about, is it true theres a subsect of the population on/dealing drugs that most people would probably agree belong in death camps?

>ignoring sweeden has grenades being thrown at its ambulances driving into some neighborhoods
>hurr durr America is so bad

Yea okay nigger

How do you respond, .Jow Forums?

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How do you respond?

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>ignoring sweeden
S E E T H I N G

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You get a call for altered mental status, stroke symptoms. When on scene you find the patient with obvious side deficits consistent with stroke, but us also diaphoretic with significant 10/10 chest pain radiating to arm. Your 12 lead reveals STEMI

What is your initial impression and what should you check next to rule this out? Why?

>Hard mode
No fucking Google

Go, EMT! You have 30 seconds to save his life!

americans are weak fools with no understanding of what legitimizes a government, and americans are all bootlickers

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Regulated refers to the militia that is hypothetically being raised, not the weapons of the citizens that are a part of it.

Im more "regulated" than a police officer from any county. You want to talk about combat, firearms safety, and general knowledge of the topic? The civilian circle has a VAST advantage over the police. Every police technique used today was developed by civlian, competitive shooters. The second amendment never says WHO is regulating the militia, a statement completely seperate form the right to bear arms, only that a militia be well regulated. By definition, a militia is a non-military unit of volunteers. To qualify as "well regulated" it must only keep an internal list of membership, train regularly, and have a clearly defined mission statement and chain of command. Eat it, faggot.

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>leave it to the cops

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I wonder how many times your mother considered drowning you in the bathtub lmao

kys nigger

As an EMT B I know nothing so I take out my carry
> glock 23 chambered in the best pistol round in the world 40 S&W
And blow his brains out

Nah but really, my initial impression is holy shit nigger he's having an MI and we need to code 3 his ass to the nearest cardiac reviving center

As I'm in the shit county I'm in I don't have any nitro, and he's ALOC so I can't really take what's he's telling me at face value anyway.

>rule out STEMI but 12 lead shows STEMI
Im not sure what your hinting at here, i could run a neuro on him to check for stroke signs but you already said he's showing deficits and i would say an imminent MI would mean im taking him fast as fuck to the ER, his other symptoms all point to what the 12 lead is telling me

>as a bls usit I don't have a monitor on the rig, but if there
I have him on the 4 lead, monitor his vitals every 5 mins like a good faggot, have AED nearby and bvm for my nonexistant partner who's someone in the back with me while we're driving code 3
Basically just monitor the pt until hospital. Again I could administer nitro if they have their own, we don't carry it on their rig and the county doesn't want us administering nitro that's not theirs, or if i have babby aspirin I can administer that as well for temp relief en route

>be in the US
>fall down some steps
>break all my legs
>call 911
>paramedics respond with fucking handguns drawn

>i dont have any nitro
>run neuro
wow great i love having random drugs shoved down my gullet and having bic pen spinal taps done whenever i have a boo-boo that alarms someone too much

That's a nice looking pupper

>Asparin
Your patient dies enroute

>What happened
Your patient was having a type 1 dissecting aneurysm. As the layers of the aorta peel apart, the jugular and coronary artery become pinched off, resulting in both the MI and and CVA

How do I confirm this?
Take a blood pressure on each arm. If the left and right arms differ by more than ten points, you have an aneurysm. This is the poor man's angiogram and works because the brachial arteries are not symmetrical and one will be pinched off before the other. This us something I could do as a basic and I do not even need the 12 lead to suspect this diagnosis -- I would arrive there entirely on clinical expertise

EMT from shit talking and post above herr

>get call once with E20
>old man at families home isn't satting well, oxygen in blood dropping quick he's sweaty and unresponsive with eyes open looking bad.
>medic begrudgingly decides to ALS pt to hospital even tho pt looks as pale as the walls and is clearly struggling to keep breathing
>nasal cannula, 4lpm
>code 2
>nigger hello
>I'm in back, E20 crew is pretty cool but holy shit do your job
>halfway to ER
>"eh, go ahead and DC him, were almost there"
>medic already slowly wrapping up pulseox not looking at pt anymore
>"you want me to grab a manual BP on him?"
>"nah"
>pt looks like pale dead body now
>"want me to hook him backup to the >SPO2 or up his LPM?"
>"nah your good"
>Pulling into rig bay
>Take out pt, motion to partner we need to hurry and get him inside fast as fuck
>use sheet to move him, literally rag doll
>medic literally basically moon walking from ambulance he's in slow fucking motion
>slap mask on pt 25lpm
>nurse seems uninterested as fuck, waiting for medic for report
>prop pt up
>well this is all I can do now
>leave
>hear later doc walked in, said "this man's dead"
>pronounce him right then and there
>mfw medic completely biffed entire call
>mfw he makes 100k a year
>mfw I make 13 an hour

From then on we refer to E20 as Engine "Zyclon B" 20

Mfw that was the entire point of my shit story fuck

Different guy, I'm just a CNA, but how the everloving shit would you stop a torn artery like that?