>most aesthetic handgun
>all metal design, unlike the retarded plastic retard guns
>comes in all calibers
>worst track record for reliability
>loves to break and explode
Why cant I just get get a reliable handgun in all metal construction that doesnt have some stupid ass slide saftety and isnt made in brazil. Fuck
Sigs look better without the rail imo
I actually use the rails. I like them
>Be on fun forum
>Has never heard of a 1911
I thought summer was over
>7seven round capacity
>cant handle mud
What are you, 1912? Fuck off
>be on gun forum
>has never heard of double stack 1911s
this board has gone to shit
>mud
lol, ok
>when Sig has to compare their modern guns to 100+ year old designs to make them look good
The absolute STATE of Cohenfags
This. Pathetic
The M11-A1 is the most aesthetic sig.
But the 19 is just so clean and streamlined. Other guns are just cluttered and busy with shit they don't need.
>The M11-A1 is the most aesthetic sig.
Still not as aesthetic as the 92fs or USP
Too bad half of those are plastic trash
Here's the M11-A1 since this board has gone downhill FAST. These kids hate glock cuz counter strike niggers
92fs is still pure sex though. Would you prefer a P7 over the USP?
I got to shoot a suppressed HK mk23 (or 24? I forget) in Las Vegas and fuck I want one. But honestly the USP looks blocky just like a glock. Both look good to my eyes but damn I want a big giant MK23
>Why cant I just get get a reliable handgun in all metal construction that doesnt have some stupid ass slide saftety and isnt made in brazil
>reliable handgun
>all metal construction
>doesnt have some stupid ass slide saftety
>isnt made in brazil.
>6 round capacity
The fuck are you, some texas hick?
Overly heavy
Slim slide and low bore axis for girl hands
Tiny trigger hole for girl fingers
Nah CZ's are great but I like all guns, really. But for me, sleek and streamlined, minimalistic is the way to go
I like the 92, but seriously man fuck those slide safteys
What in god green earth possessed those fucking retards to put it on the slide
And no, but also fuck the usp polymer. Would have been the perfect gun if it was all metal
CZ
>can't count
>calls me a hick
pottery
Ok great so it has less.
Who the fuck wants to carry some retarded piece of shit like that?
Niggers, spicks, retards and hicks
>>most aesthetic handgun
"No."
Those are not really that aesthetic.
All of /k can fuck off with their infatuation with it
How about arex?
Im almost foreign to handguns and im yuropean.
Btw i also heard somewhere that the sig was designed in estonia but the concept and all was bought by some huge company bc estonians lacked the production capability. Someone pls confirm if false/true.
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>polymer guns win in reliability, longevity, accuracy
>are clearly objectively better in every single way
>b-but muh metal though, stupid tupperware might break
user, you're a fucking retard. You know why all those polymer handguns are better than metal ones? Because polymer is better than metal.
If you're insistent on being retarded, buy a goddamn Arex or a Lionheart LH9.
agreed
aesthetic, no
cool, yes
Never even heard of it.
And sorry i dont take gun advice from euros.
>Makes retarded bogus claims
>cant even back up with evidence
Literally fuck off, you polytwats are insufferable
You, are the epitome of stupidity. Dude I prefer autos, but even a fucking idiot can recognize Benefits of a revolver.
>handles recoil well
>in .357, a powerful cartridge
>impossible to muck up
>custom loads
> aesthetic
>single action triggers are beautiful
>triggers retards like you
Man, I should pick up a revolver
Honestly I like revolvers too, but they are ancient technology. Time to move on old
Man.
357 is great, but 12+ 9mm or 45 is better
>cant even back up with evidence
Do I even have to? You know I'm right. But I'll indulge you.
Name a single metal handgun that can endure the retarded shit they put the MK23 through. Tens of thousands of rounds of .45+p suppressed.
A Sig would blow its rails apart long, long before it made it close to that.
>Literally fuck off, you polytwats are insufferable
That's the cognitive dissonance in your mind acting up. You want a metal framed gun, but you can't find an actual reason.
What ive seen from polenars reviews its decent but idk if its better than a sig
I can agree with that statement
>a sig wouldnt last long
Well gee fucking howdy doo captian obvious? Gonna tell me that the skys blue next? Compare anything to sig and its going to be better. Jesus.
And sure, maybe that polymer gun can put up with abuse, but in 50 years that shits going to be brittle. Its poly nature.
I dont want that inferior shit. And you still havent given any real evidence or sources.
I'd be willing to bet you haven't done much revolver shooting.
But honestly, as far as handguns go, revolvers really are the coolest.
My favorite calibers are both 44 mag and 357 mag.
I just feel at a disadvantage if d'quan and his 4 ape friends roll up on me and all I have is a 5 shot revolver. Scary.me
Call me crazy, but aside from accidentally engaging it when racking, i prefer it to the 1911 style safety
>Name a single metal handgun that can endure the retarded shit they put the MK23 through. Tens of thousands of rounds of .45+p suppressed.
Name single handgun you need to be able to do that to go to the range every so often and carry around in case jamal wants your boipucci.
You're not a tier zero operator. You'd be fine with a 5 shot J-frame .38. Stop larping.
Nope. I havent.
Again, wheel guns are sweet, but higher rate of fire, less moving parts, and higher ammo capacity is even cooler
>I just feel at a disadvantage if d'quan and his 4 ape friends roll up on me and all I have is a 5 shot revolver. Scary.me
Why do you hang out in negro zones?
>why do you need this
I hate you faggots even more than I hate these polymer retards.
Is it such a crime to want a gun that can withstand a bulding being dropped on top of it, even if it just gets shot a few times a year? Apparently fucking so.
>Nope. I havent.
You should get a cheap wheelie if you can and give it a go. I'm not saying you have to carry it but I feel like anyone that masters the double action trigger will find every other trigger much easier to control.
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Do you not?
Long story short, you dont know when niggers will appear, and ever since these stupid faggots legalized my state, niggers, retards, and californians have been flocking to my fucking homeland
>real evidence or sources
What do you want a source on? Saying SOURCE isn't an excuse to waste the other person's time.
>Compare anything to sig and its going to be better
Why did you even start this thread.
>I want a metal gun
>but they're all shit, the only kinda good one is shit too
>btw polymer sucks, metal rules
How dumb can you be to come to the realization that polymer guns work better, but refuse to accept it? Are you a woman or something?
>And sure, maybe that polymer gun can put up with abuse, but in 50 years that shits going to be brittle
What do you want user, a gun that works now, or an heirloom you won't use because it's shit, but hey little Timmy will be able to pawn it in 50 years.
So, if you're not a badass operator you should carry the worst gun you can just because you probably won't die. Great advice, everyone should drive a Prius too.
Fuck that.
>YOU DONT NEEEEEED
fuck off
>I like the 92, but seriously man fuck those slide safteys
>What in god green earth possessed those fucking retards to put it on the slide
It's just a double stack P38 with a beefier slide, so they left the safety where they found it.
>So, if you're not a badass operator you should carry the worst gun you can just because you probably won't die. Great advice, everyone should drive a Prius too.
>Fuck that.
You should carry:
1) a gun that is unobtrusive enough/comfortable enough that you will actually carry it as often as possible
2) a gun that is fun enough to practice with that you practice often.
Hits count. Carry what you can hit with. unless you get paid to carry a gun you will likely never need more than 3 rounds to end a fight so don't get bogged down by muh capacity.
>if you master the wheelie you will have a much better time with other guns.
This is exactly what ive been trying to tell you. As I said before, my two favorite calibers are 357 and 44 mag. I love revolvers. Love them.
But in a real world senario, Or shootout with andre, im going to feel much more comefortable with a modern handgun. They are much smoother, and maybe im just an autist, but revolvers do feel slightly more unweildy in my hands.
I wish i could become legend of the west status.
And the toggle lock is trash.
Fuck off grandpa and take your .45 AARP with you.
The guns are g2g
>revolvers do feel slightly more unweildy in my hands.
That's a training issue. I EDC a G19 but I will fuck ur shit up with my wheelieboys. I'm not Jerry Miculek but I can dump 6 rounds into a 6" circle at 10yds breddy fucking fast. If all I had was wheelies I wouldn't feel unarmed at all. Goddamn I have had some fun with muh spinbois.
i dont even have a 1911 faggot, i just know it meets his requirements
Jesus christ. You really are fucking stupid. Do you even know what a fucking source is?
>makes claims that polymer will last eons longer than metal and take a more serious beating.
THEN SHOW ME THE FUCKING PROOF YOU FUCKING MORON. You just saying something doesnt make it true. Literally fuck off back to your retard nest if you dont understand what a source/evidence is.
I never said it was superior either. I just said its gotta be metal, reliable, no slide saftey. And in todays day and age, thats like maybe 5 handguns. 1911, berettas, and a couple others.
>heirlooms dont work
I want something that wont turn into a grenade in 40 fucking years from some stupid material people are buying into because of retardation and memes.
I shoot my 100 year old metal rifles and dont have to worry. And the guy who shot it brand new didnt have to worry either.
Im going to stop replying to you now. Polymer twats just cant get out of their towering poly ego and understand simple terms
also
>Be on gun forum
>Not know that you can get 1911s in pretty much any caliber
>you will likely never need more than 3 rounds to end a fight
If I wanted to go with statistically likely outcomes, I wouldn't carry a gun in the first place user. You fudd retards can fuck right the fuck off.
I will share with your newfag ass the words of a wise man, who was wise enough to leave this shithole before your retarded ass made it worse for everyone:
IS NO PLACE IN WHOLE WORLD WITHOUT MURDER OR RAPE OR ASSAULT OF LETHAL FORCE. IS ONLY PLACE WITH MORE, AND PLACE WITH LESS. HOW HIGH IS PRICE OF YOUR LIFE? HOW HIGH IS PRICE FOR LIFE OF PERSON YOU ARE LOVE? "SAYING AGAIN PROBABILITY IS LOW" FORGETS THEORY OF EXPECTED VALUE. WHEN PRICE IS OF INFINITE SIZE, PROBABILITY HAS NO MEANING.
It's disgusting that this argument used to combat antiguns is equally applicable to you. Unfuck yourself. I want the highest capacity, smallest, most reliable pistol. I don't want to saddle myself to old technology for warm fuzzy feelings it gives me.
>but in 50 years that shits going to be brittle. Its poly nature
HK released the first polymer pistol 48 years ago. Are they brittle yet?
OG 92's actually have frame mounted safeties, the safety was relocated by request from several parties when they started seriously courting military contracts.
It's also not as big a deal as it's made out to be, even if you accidentally trip it the thumb of your strong hand will bump it back off in a good shooting grip. Training issue more than anything.
Sauce: I collect 92's, pic related my first model step slide 92. Less than 2,000 of them iirc
Probably. I dont care to find out. Metal has worked better for hundreds of uears anyways.
>overpaying for a piece of plastic that was maybe 10c to polyfill
You people are dumb lol
Maybe a pre-merger Sphinx? Basically a Swiss CZ75 with a bigger slide.
>Comparing precision German plastic to inbred Austrian plastic
Hapsburgs please go and stay go.
>1911
>Reliable
Pick one newfag.
No shit dumb fuck. Never said it couldn't be chambered in another caliber.
>I don't want to saddle myself to old technology for warm fuzzy feelings it gives me.
The probability that I will die because I EDC a revolver is very low. The probability that I will enjoy nerding out daily about EDC'ing a revolver is very high.
I'm living my best life user. I'll be goddamned if I'm gonna let the threat of jigaboos rob me of that small joy. I hope you can find something to love as much as I love shooting revolvers.
That's because you have poor tastes
>kys
you implied that by me saying 1911 that I must have meant 45 AARP so yeah, you did say it couldn't be chambered in another caliber
Its so ugly..
>quotes a shitty gun literally nobody carrys, has, or even shoots in todays modern day and age
Shit, I wonder the reasonings for this.
Probably because they all broke
They fixed Walter's mistake and then undid the fix? Wonder what the justification for that was?
>hes too retarded to understand what rails are used for
Whatever you say faggot, enjoy the dark
>thats like maybe 5 handguns. 1911, berettas, and a couple others
Right, and every one of those is inferior, and you know it, to modern polymer handguns.
>Do you even know what a fucking source is?
Do you? Because you can't succinctly explain what you want a source on. You just want to waste my time, because that's the first phase of argument on nu-Jow Forums and Jow Forums. Someone says something, you screech source whether you want it or not because it slows them down. You know there is no metal handgun with equivalent performance to polymer ones. That's literally why this thread is here. I'm not going to waste my time pulling up US Army and NATO data on MRBF on every single handgun in the world just to tell you HK and Glock polymer pistols are have the fewest failures.
>I want something that wont turn into a grenade in 40 fucking years from some stupid material people are buying into because of retardation and memes.
in 40 years you'll be able to 3d print an entire new lower for it you goddamn retard. Not just the polymer but the metal too.
Go back to r*ddit, in the unironic way. Or at least change your imgur filenames from your prehistoric memes.
And that is a fine personal choice to make. Saying everyone should just carry a j frame because you like revolvers is retarded.
>I hope you can find something to love as much as I love shooting revolvers.
It's called a USP .45 Tactical, and I love it.
>double stack 1911 with standard sized grip panels
Eat your heart out MK 23
>not having NVGs as part of your EDC
git gud
Slide mounted decockers were specifically in the RFP for a a lot of militaries in the era, they just did what their customers were asking for.
After the US type classified the M9 it was set in stone.
Still has no idea what a source is even though I said i want evidence of a polymer gun "surviving thousands more shots than a metal gun" or whatever stupid shit was mentioned in the first post
Stopped reading there, bye retard
>Shit, I wonder the reasonings for this.
>Probably because they all broke
Nah, it didn't sell well on account of having a shitty trigger. But it would still be interesting to see how the frames held up to the decades.
If someone actually loved it and shot it, yea. But like many first productions, they are locked away and forgotten.
Polymer is literally nothing more than cost cutting, corner cutting construction because companies are getting too fucking lazy to actually put in good work anymore.
Makes me laugh people are paying 500$+ for something that ks essentially 50% plastic.
honestly Sigs are better than Arexes
There's never been a problem with P22_ pistols. The Arex is a cheap Eastern European knockoff that poorfags buy and claim it's "just as good".
>buying any guns made by europe post 1980
Fucking LOL
They're fine, I've had a couple come through the shop.
They're reliable and accurate pistols, they just feel like you're pulling the lever on a staplegun when you pull the trigger. There's no preload on the striker so you have to charge it's full stroke everytime, it's basically like shooting DAO.
en.wikipedia.org
There you go. The only company that was even confident enough to submit a handgun for testing against the MK23 was Colt, with their OHWS. It failed horribly, while the MK23 survived a testing course including 30,000 rounds of +P ammunition. The guns ended up with a MRBF of over 6,000 rounds, the military's requirement was 2,000. The only part replacements required were the rubber o-rings used to seal the pistol for better suppressed use. The guns were tested in temperatures ranging from -25 degrees to 140 degrees Fahrenheit.
Colt's all steel gun with a supposedly ludicrously strong rotating barrel did not even pass the first phase of testing.
There's nothing wrong with Sig made Sigs, I had to RMA more Exeter products than literally any other brand, scuttlebutt from boys I know in that area is that they outsource all the small parts from China and India.
If you have doubts remember that Sig USA nowadays is effectively legally a different company from Sig Sauer and it's managed by the guy who ran kimber into the ground.
en.wikipedia.org
The GIGN selected the MR73 in part for its ability to almost indefinitely withstand 150 rounds of full-power ammunition during daily range practice.
I've been wanting an all metal USP for so long.
I mean, just because ONE variant of handgun made by a god tier production company beats every competetor doesnt mean every polymer handguns is going to be better user.
Literally anything made by HK is going to be borderline indestructible.
>I want something that wont turn into a grenade in 40 fucking years from some stupid material people are buying into because of retardation and memes.
Then get a polymer handgun so you don't have to worry about the finish getting ruined, being applied improperly, cracks forming, or any of the other bullshit that can happen to a metal framed gun, and isn't chosen due to ignorance about other materials and other dumb memes perpetuated by blowhards.
Definitely fine guns, definitely not enough information about its testing and adoption in English. Be wary of the French, they'd buy a janky retarded French anything over a German version any day.
Also note both the sections you quote require citations on wikipedia, everything I claim about the USP is straight from the US military. I don't doubt the MR73 is great, it is a handfitted boutique revolver, but I can't find much substantiated about it.
Glocks survive being owned by Glock owners. That's probably equally torturous as the SOCOM testing the MK23, when you think about it.
I’ve never had a problem with my Sig
Some of the S&W's hold 7. That's as much as a 1911 and it's .357 not .45.
>Polymer is literally nothing more than cost cutting, corner cutting construction because companies are getting too fucking lazy to actually put in good work anymore.
God forbid companies use a material that requires less babying to manufacture and maintain, and is cheaper for them and the end user
>I can't find much substantiated about it.
Anyone read French?
>Makes me laugh people are paying 500$+ for something that ks essentially 50% plastic.
That's the worst argument in the books. It's not like steel is actually worth anything either in material costs.
>He is comparing material costs
>Not total costs
lmao, add in manufacturing to the pricing, faggot.
They make some now that hold 8.
Ok, +$15 for a CNC operator. I doubt it sees a full hour of hands-on attention from an actual human being on the frame, but I'll give you the full amount. So a metal pistol is worth around $15 more than a polymer one. Congrats.
.... plus tooling that gets worn out on a daily basis
.... plus more expensive equipment with a higher rate of accumulating depreciation than an imm
killselfkthnksbi
Protip,
injection moulding, is cheaper than forging or machining.
Jesus youre fucking stupid. Fuck off
>plastic is stronger than metal hurr hurr
Idiot
The 75 B is aesthetic as all fuck
>plus tooling that gets worn out on a daily basis
>.... plus more expensive equipment with a higher rate of accumulating depreciation than an imm killselfkthnksbi
I mean sure, if you think polymer guns are 100% polymer. Protip: they're not. You're adding pennies to dollars per gun to final cost. Big deal for a company moving thousands of guns, tiny difference to the end consumer. It's not like it matters anyway, it's a gun. Either pay for aesthetics or pay for performance, if you pay for materials it better not be to replace plastic with aluminum or you're a retard.