Anyone have any experiences with running a .25 acp for carry?
I want something cheap and tiny that I can fit in my pocket. I live in a decent area, but I've had some shady characters wandering around my apartment complex at night. I just want something in my pocket in case someone decides to make trouble.
Worth it, or save a few more bucks for a .380?
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I carry an Astra Cub in .25ACP when I can't carry anything bigger. Nice little pocket pistol, disappears into a pocket and you forget you even have it. Solid steel construction; between that and the small caliber, recoil is nonexistant. The only thing I don't like about it is the absurdly tiny sights; they're utterly useless, especially at night. It's strictly a point-blank range gun.
As for the caliber, it's better than not carrying a gun at all, but I much prefer something more powerful. That said, you could do worse than punch quarter inch holes in someone. .25ACP penetrates better than .22LR because of the jacketed bullet; use FMJ ammo for the most penetration. Hollowpoints won't go deep enough into the bad guy to do jack shit.
American .25 ammo is shit. The overwhelming majority of American pistols in that caliber are pot metal Saturday Night Specials like the Jenning/Lorcin/Raven/whatever name they go by this decade to avoid all the lawsuits. They jam, they crack in half, they explode. I had one I got for free; loaded it up and fired 18 shots at a pie plate from ten feet (not yards, feet). It jammed three times and hit the target exactly once, on the very edge. I gave it away for free too. American ammo is deliberately underpowered in order to avoid blowing those shitty pistols up.
European ammo is better. More powerful than a .22LR. European guns are usually much higher quality, like Baby Brownings, Astra Cubs (same pistol as the Colt Junior, just a different name engraved on it), etc. Even their junk pistols are solid steel pistols from the 30's, like Ruby's.
I carry mine loaded with S&B 55gr FMJ ammo. It plays backup to my Belgian Makarov, which I upgraded with a Dozor grip and Buffalo Bore 95gr +P JHP.
Seriously though, a Polish P-83 is only $200, it's the perfect size for concealed carry, and 9mm Makarov is just fine for self-defense. Unless you buy a piece of shit, a .25 mouse gun is going to cost you more than that.
Bulgarian, not Belgian. Dammit.
Seriously, as much as I love mouse guns, get a bigger gun. Right now surplus pistols are infinitely more affordable and often higher quality than other budget guns. P-83, P-64, Star BM, all excellent pistols and the right size for concealed carry.
Best pocket gun is snubnose...
There aren't a whole lot of cheap, modern production, reliable .25 acp handguns with good QC on the market that im aware of. there are several in .380 and many of those are definitely pocket sized. It's also a much better round with much more market support(IMO). As far as im concerned between the two a .380 is a no brainer but then again i'd consider a .380 kind of minimal or marginal at best.
>Worth it, or save a few more bucks for a .380?
You can usually get an ok .380 for less than 200 bucks if you look around. just how cheap are you finding .25s, and is your life really worth the price difference? Frankly i have a hard enough time really trusting a factory 200 dollar gun let alone a 100 or 150 dollar one.
I'd honestly be surprised if you could find 25acp ammo at a store.
I'd get a 380 just since it's usually rather easy to find. When you get into formerly popular calibers in mouse guns you will start to think ammo costs are kinda bull shit. At least I did with my 32acp, don't want to get into reloading for a carry gun/defensive caliber though in case I had to use it. Heard it may not go over well in court.
Taurus G2C is a $200 gun that's apparently not shit.
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Not a pocket gun per se but easy to conceal.
That....is embarrassing.
Ruger LCPs are $200 now that the LCP 2's are out. LCP 2 only cost me $280. .380 has come a long way. I'd fear .25 wouldn't be enough
Pick up a Ruger LCP plus a +1 extended factory mag. Keep the +1 mag in the gun and the regular mag in your spare change pocket. With the FFL/shipping fee that's like $225. Throw in a couple boxes of cheap .380 FMJ so you can practice a bit and a box of Sig V Crown for your carry ammo and you should be good to go for about $300 total.
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I'm thinking I'll go for a LCP. I'm a little strapped for cash right now so it might be a couple months before I buy . Guess I'll apply for my carry license now and just hold on to some pepper spray in the meantime.
Thanks for the input, everyone.
Don't be a poorfag and go with a Seecamp 380. It's even smaller than your 25 ACP meme gun.
Not op, but seecamps aren't exactly a cheap poorfag gun. Plus, while they are small, they are heavy for their size.
>seecamps aren't exactly a cheap poorfag gun
Yeah, that's why I told OP not to be a poorfag. Get the best, because the best is only a week's salary.
For the price of a seecamps, op could get something in 9mm instead of .380
what is even the point of these things? they're only good for point blank. why not carry a knife instead?
Noise factor, and a .25 has a little more range than a knife.
Yeah, but it wouldn't be even half as small.
The smallest 9 mm is the Rohrbaugh R9 (still a lot bigger), and it's $1100.
I want a cz size .25 that I can just mag dump 50 rounds of in one mag.
If you say so
at least turn your trip on
I own a Seecamp 380, so I KNOW so.
Stay poor.
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around $250
7+1 capacity
10 rnd mags available
Much more aftermarket and parts availability
>.25ACP penetrates better than .22LR because of the jacketed bullet
Dubious assertion. .25 ACP has significantly more cross-sectional area. Gel tests show very similar performance, with commonly-available .22 LR (e.g. CCI Stinger) tending to do a little better. In a small autopistol, I'd choose .22 LR over .25 ACP. Modern .22 LR performs just as well or better, good brands have essentially eliminated the reliability problem, you get slightly smaller guns or higher capacity magazines, and it's cheaper and more available.
.22 magnum is pretty interesting, with the Speer Gold Dot (40 grain) stuff. They get consistently about 12" of penetration in ballistic gel, with reasonably good expansion (to about .30"), out of a 2" barrel, at least in gel. Hornady Critical Defense (.45 grain) is similar, but doesn't expand as well.
If you want something cheap and tiny, I say spend the money on something that's good quality, that you'll be glad to have around after you buy something bigger and better. NAA mini-revolvers start around $220, and are extremely concealable. I think the Black Widow (basically the biggest and most powerful, with a 2" barrel, at $260) and Pug (basically the smallest and most concealable, with a 1" barrel, at $320) are their best offerings.
These are single-action 5-shot .22 Magnum revolvers (which are also very slow to reload), but they're accurate and just ridiculously concealable. It's also easy to understand and see how they work, so you can have confidence that they won't go off when they're bouncing around in your pocket or stuffed down your pants. You can get a laser sight for the Black Widow for another $140.
.22s lead in single-shot stops, because people who carry them know to aim for the head, which not only is the fastest stop, but eliminates concerns with the target wearing armor. Modern "mouse guns" will kill from 20 yards away, and kill efficiently within 10 yards.
Seecamp .25 is one that’s reliable and modern, but good luck finding one.
Carry what Zimmerman did, kel-tek 9mm. Trayvon would attest to it's lethality if he wasn't just another statistic.
>literally twice as large
Try again povertyfag.
Who said I was a poverty fag? I'm not op. I just wouldn't waste money on a seecamp.
Not him, but racism is not allowed on this board. Feel free to take the controversial and incorrect side of Zimmerman, but never suggest that being black has anything to do with criminality. There is absolutely no relation, so take your evil shit elsewhere or enjoy your ban.
.25 acp is legitimately too small and weak to be ''fully'' effective for carry, but any gun > no gun
.380 is very nearly as effective as the "bigger" calibers. 9mm has a slight advantage on ammo cost but not bank-breaking.
Any .25acp pistol reliable enough to carry is going to cost similar to the many .380 pocket pistols designed for and made reliable enough for carry; .380 hollowpoints expand reliably while .25's dont, .25 ammo is much more expensive than .380, and if you really can't save up another hundred dollars you might as well get a .22LR which is honestly going to be similar in performance while being massively cheaper so there's no real reason to get it.
Fuck off White Knight. And plz explain to the rest of the class just what part of my post was "racist"?
I can't believe you bit on that lame-ass bait.
I'm bored, and drunk. What do you expect?
>experience
>running
LOL shut the fuck up, retard.
fuck off Jow Forums
Look at this adorable retard baby. Just look at it.
You are a fucking racist tool. Not only did you suggest Trayvon was a criminal, but you said he was a statistic. That is absolute racist bullshit. White people are far more likely to commit mass shootings and crime than black people. That's the uncomfortable truth that "master race" morons like yourself don't talk about.
And when did I say I was some small dicked cracker? Sounds like you want some of my big brown dick in your mouth.
dog gamnit its like dillion harpers face turned into a gun
Eww, gross
get a load of this dindunuffin
380's are notorious for failing to expand, just like .25's. 380 is one of the "bigger" calibers it's a 9mm. 22lr is a rimfire that's no where near as reliable as a center fire cartridge. Plus most center fire designs are probably safer to actually carry around rather than 22lr's since they have an actual hammer on a lot of them instead of a transfer bar or anything. Not to mention if you get a semi auto the 25 is rimless and the 22 isn't. On my semi-rimmed mouse gun if it recoiled harder I'd be worried about the rim jumping one one beneath it in the magazine and getting the thing jammed with rim locked
blatant Jow Forums falseflagger trying to make people racist by making anyone not racist look bad.
Ditch the toy, get a Glock.
Eat shit, nigger
I don't like fucking around one bit. If i cant keep it on my hip in a holster i avoid it.
Huh?
If we’re talking about the United States the blacks are statistically much more likely to commit violent crime. They account for almost 50% of the violent crime but only make up like 14 perfect of the population while male blacks make up somewhere between 3-5% of that. Let that sink amigo. I hope this is b8 but if it isn’t I think it’s time for you to peep some of those crime stats produced over the last 30 years.
I have one in 25 and love it. Got it for $70. Zero malfunctions, accurate. Heavy trigger but decent. Very, very light gun. I carried it for a few weeks then bought an LCP2 which I would unironically recommend. I would recommend the 25PLY but I'm not defending .25 in any way, it really is too weak.
>retard baby
pic related. don't hurt my feelings I'll report you.
If it can take down a nigger on pcp then it ain't worth carrying.
Those were my grandfather's last words.
I have witnessed .25 ACP bounce off of a glass bottle.
My whole Sunday school lesson tomorrow is about rim lock.
Ooga booga nignog muhfugga bixnood dindu nuffin
Nigger spic kike beaner chink coon nigger
Racist enough for you?
hey mang I know those aren't what they say they are.
You technically can't take them anyways if they were real, right?
My poorfag thread about little guns got derailed by Jow Forums oh my :'^3
You got all the info you needed
Either get a bigger gun or a .22, cheap 25s are shitty, reliable ones are worse than equal cost guns in better calibers
I got almost all my info in the first 3 posts desu, I'm just goofin, my friend. I'm gonna save for something nicer.
I have no idea what you're saying. I'm using that image on a very superficial level.
This is why I'll never trust birdshot or birdshot posters
Buy an LCP2 man it's awesome. If you insist on a 25 for fun get a 25ply. Also maybe consider that black people don't like you and since everyone is equal black people are as evil as evil white people.
Birdshot seems like it'd work alright at a close range with a choke that it doesn't spread a ton, although that's kind of the opposite purpose of birdshot
>don't want to get into reloading for a carry gun/defensive caliber though in case I had to use it. Heard it may not go over well in court.
For a tiny handgun? Lol no using handloads vs. factory ammo isn't going to matter at all in a trial.
man, I know Taurus has jackshit QC, but they make some goofy looking guns that I actually think are cool. (except the curve)
I use one as a backup. The only time it's my only gun is when I'm skateboarding.
I can make accurate shots at 15 yards with mine.
>Taurus
No
All bitch-brown boys exist to service big BLACK cock. So get on your knees and open up, bitch
.25 ACP is a really shitty cartridge. It's meant to match or exceed turn-of-the-century .22 rimfire ballistics when both are fired from a ~2" barrel, and it did accomplish that, though it quickly falls behind in longer barrels.
However, modern .22LR is substantially improved even in short barrels, and .22WMR, .32 ACP, etc. are all much better; if there was a double-action equivalent to NAA's mini-revolvers, I'd definitely take that over a .25 autopistol.
If money didn't matter, I'd recommend a Seecamp in your choice of .32 or .380. These are just about the size and weight of a .25 baby browning, with much better performance.
Since you indicated money does matter, those are out (stop-being-poor-tards in this thread notwithstanding).
Does the size of a .25 matter?
If so, consider a NAA Guardian (cheaper seecamp clone) in .32 ACP. It's only a little larger than a .25 (though substantially heavier), still with substantially improved ballistics. (Unlike the Seecamps, which are the same physical size for .25, .32, or .380, the NAA Guardian for .380ACP/.32NAA is substantially bigger than the original .32ACP/.25NAA -- only the latter comes close to the Seecamp it was copied from.)
If not, the LCP in .380 is a good gun for a great price, and thanks to the polymer frame it's not heavy -- but it is a little bigger than the other options I mentioned. While it's still quite pocketable for me, whether that works out for you depends on how tight your pants are.
The Kel-Tec P32 and P3AT are also worth looking at, but since they're basically the same price as the LCP, and Ruger is generally more trusted w/r/t quality control, the P3AT is pretty meh. The P32 specifically is the absolutely lightest option on the market -- but the P3AT/LCP is not heavy in any reasonable sense, so it's still a hard sell.
Hey thanks for the input, user! I appreciate it. For the price it seems like the LCP is my best way to go. NAA looks neat, though.
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.380 is as low as you want to go unless you absolutely have to
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Don't try to shoot anybody wearing plastic bottles as armor
This tiny little gap between the frame and slide drives me fucking nuts. It's a real pain in the ass these haven't got a slide release can never tell if it's going to lock back or not when racking it.
>I upgraded with a Dozor grip
I just ordered a pair myself. How long did it take for them to arrive from slavland?
Shit man if I had the money right now. I've only shot a .22 revolver but I want to try a snub.
Paul Harrell said he killed a deer once with a .25 acp pistol, so maybe it's not that bad.