Would ISIS have won without US intervention?

Hmmm, maybe because syria was in the way? Im talking about a hypothetical situation in which Obama didn't order air strikes when ISIS was on Baghdad and erbil's doorsteps

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you mean Russian Air support right? USA and Nato did jack shit before vlad started his campain

Go back to bed, vlad

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was syria in a way when yanks started the Iraq war too?
(in case you didnt know, IS became a thing when Americans pulled out leaving a failed state behind)

>Russia is behind ISIS:
>>Mayor red pill: Russia didnt do jack shit against ISIS, because they created them. ISIS was ment to bring trouble to Iraq and with that to the US, binding their resources and focus. Think about it, how could ISIS take over so Iraq so quick and so effective, when not with support and intel from Russia? It is unclear if they actually had Syria in mind or not, but sure as hell used them well there. Without ISIS it would have been rebels vs Assad, kurds and whole east Syria would have gone against Assad too, but with ISIS added to the play, everything changed. ISIS had taken over a lot of areas that were anti Assad and had oil refineries and they made no secret about that they would take over everyone giving the chance. They divided the anti Assad coaltions and gave Russia an exuse to expand in Syria militarily, while actually bombing rebels instead, so the last moderates leave the groups and radicals take over. Also it stopped the pipeline from Quartar and halted the one from Iran for many years, so Russia can stay the big gas seller in Europe.

i see after getting btfo you resort to cheap insults,
typical US shill

I notice that you don't deny being a dirty Slavic vodka monkey

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Hmm let's take another hypothetical, what if the US didn't invade Iraq, disband the Iraqi army, didn't back Saudi Arabia the biggest contributor to Wahhabism/salafism(Sunni terrorism which we fight in a never ending cycle)in the world .

IS was made becaue of us intervention in the first place. They use US made weapons. The war on terror is a joke

This boy knows.

Is this ironic shitposting or actual self-brainwashing

literally this

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ISIS fucking is a mechanism of US intervention..

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IS literally has its roots right after the US invasion.

Most anti Assad rebels are foreign actors. Mercs/jihadists paid for by NATO. Stop watching MSNBC

Fpbp

Who has a military presence in Al Tanf, in direct contact with ISIS since 2015, and has yet not done anything to repel or extinguish ISIS, instead, plinking at Syrian forces who dare cross imaginary lines drawn up by illegal invaders?

Why did Israel have a land border with ISIS, without a single combat sortie flown against them or raid or artillery bombardment by the IDF?

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>IS literally has its roots right after the US invasion.
>Russia fucking with US is not an option
Post dropped

>didn't back Saudi Arabia
user we tried that. It didnt go super good

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The Syrians invited Russia. The Americans are there without their consent. The only people fucking is the US and they have failed miserably

Why would Israel give a fuck about ISIS if they're not attacking them

Oh sorry you're right that must mean they're complicit

North America is wholly energy independent.

Less to do with oil and more the petrodollar

well im not, happy now?

>and has yet not done anything to repel or extinguish ISIS

So your line of logic is that if ISIS exists anywhere it means that the US isn't fighting them enough.

Yet Jihadists still exist all over Syria, does this mean Syria is supporting them?

>Why would we give a fuck about Stalin/Hitler if they're not attacking us?

Idiot.

it's their old habit, user

Oh yeah I'm sure the Russians with their two rickety Fencer flights per day were the driving force behind destroying ISIS

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This contradicts nothing of what i said or the initial post. Shill trying to derail confirmed.

Uh, you think you're making a point here but you've failed.

>So your line of logic is that if ISIS exists anywhere it means that the US isn't fighting them enough.

No.

The logic is clear: the US has a permanent and heavy presence in Eastern Syrian, literally a few hundred yards away from ISIS lined, yet CHOOSES to do nothing against them because they employ ISIS as a tool to undermine Assad, and Pentagon is only committed to regime change, and not destruction of ISIS.

Russia/Syria did all of the heavy lifting against IS.

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You need to source your shit before spouting off your bullshit hillary

is that how revisionism works? i dont have any links but the US air support consisted of one or two sortie a day before the russkys came

>literally a few hundred yards away

And somehow you know this but also can't prove it, what a shame.

The Russians have a reliable ally and ground force to direct them.

US is shooting blind with only aerial recon and bad intel from unreliable, illiterate Kurds who were motivated more at revenge against their neighbors than a strategy against ISIS.

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Consider the following

>IS shows up in Iraq
>IS shows up in Syria
>US is bombing in Iraq
>Russia is bombing in Syria
>IS in Iraq is defeated first

>ISIS is getting bukakked by US and by minor extend Russia
>Hey guys, i get the best idea ever, lets us become the target for someone that isnt going to be there in a few years, but still cause some trouble to us for no benefit for us.

And you are calling other people idiot.

>gets caught doing bullshit
>reeeeeeeeee
>what about YOUUUUUU????
Your shill status is already confirmed.

Would ISIS have been created without US intervention?

NO!

>claims Russia literally creates IS
>not America or Saudi Arabia who's weapons and ideology comes from

First sentence of that post needs some source bud. This is just fake news

Easily proven.

Mind you this was compiled before the Syrian-Russian forces cleared out ISIS along the border with Iraq and isolated the US interlopers in what is now a green, isolated tumor surround by Syrian ground.

But before than, US forces sat there, doing nothing against ISIS, just running training camps for moderate ISIS.

The US does not fight ISIS.

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Probaly same shit under another name.

Since a good chunk of people have forgotten it: A lot of ISIS fighters are former Saddam's soldiers that lost their job, after Saddam was removed. So much for Saddam keeping extremist at bay, his own soldiers are the radical muslims of today.

>i dont have any links

Of course you don't. However I do.

That's what, twenty-six thousand bombs dropped before Russia showed up?

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Oops, meant to post map.

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>Easily proven.

Uh, so prove it.

That tends to happen when you lose everything you ever worked for and valued only to be occupied by a foreign power

Now it's just an isolated green cancer in the desert where the US-ISIS training centre is located next to a refugee camp.

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>ISIS are yards from the Americans

>ISIS are literally on the other side of the Syrian army from the Americans

If your retarded logic is based on proximity, then I guess the Syrians are supporting them huh.

it is today but it hasnt been for last 100 years. The oil and gas petroleum tech of today it not what it was 40 yrs ago

Of course not.

Saddam would still be running the show, keeping the various tribes in order, and building roads, schools while mercilessly murdering fundamentalists and Jihadist LARPers.

>Easily proven
>Maps presented as proof clearly show a geographical disconnect from ISIS

Something was in that Vodka comrades

Define.

Without "moderate rebels" yes.

Without the 2003 invasion of Iraq, no.

>ISIS played with everything they did into Russia's hands directly or indirectly
>ISIS declared war against US and Saudi Arabia
>better blame US and Saudi Arabia

The Syrians did in fact go after them and cleared the entire border of ISIS, except for the green cancer here:Where the US trains ISIS and attacks any Syrian ground units that try to approach.

The US does not fight ISIS.

>Easily proven.
More like easily claimed, hard to prove.

>Where the US trains ISIS and attacks any Syrian ground units that try to approach.

Ah so now we're at the crux of your argument where you're saying something that you couldn't prove.

And to add insult to injury, what you thought was proof has ruined your point, and you're now trying to explain away YOUR OWN EVIDENCE.

The SAA had no presence there until 2018.

Until then, it was a happy, peaceful US-ISIS territory where no combat took place.

>Easily proven.
>Posts a map showing the complete opposite of the claim

Is this your brain on Krokodil?

where there any Territory gains before the Russians came?
not shitposting by the way, i dont quite remember the whole thing

>still no source

Lmao. Yes, Russia is the biggest supporter of Sunni extremism. Not the Americans who arm them or the Saudis who fund the schools, scholars and mosques teaching that shit

So if you know that, you can prove it because you can show everyone how you know it.

Well obviously I can't just measure the exact distance, because I don't have direct and real-time locations of US units and ISIS forces, but BOTTOM LINE:

Between 2014-2018, this was an area where only the US and ISIS shared a presence, and it was a peaceful and happy time with no major action.

>More claims, zero proof.

Christ it's like there's a disconnect in your head where you don't realize that saying something doesn't make it a fact.

You can't prove the US undertook any action against ISIS in Eastern Syria before the Russians and Syrians showed up in those parts.

uk.businessinsider.com/isis-attack-on-us-troops-at-al-tanf-in-southern-syria-2017-4

So I've already proven you wrong.

What's your move. Denial? Goalposts?

Burden of proof.

You made a claim, you can't back it up.

>The SAA had no presence there until 2018.
Your map with the divide() clearly says June 22, 2017.

>GRU helped Saddams army move chemical weapons in other countries
>the same army that got disbanded by the US and later became ISIS, took over Iraq in a short time with out any intel

thehill.com/policy/defense/364990-coalition-backed-forces-in-syria-kill-20-isis-fighters-who-moved-freely

Here's another large firefight that took place there half a year earlier.

the us was fighting islamists before the syrian shit show even started. We even went into syria to attack their safe havens because assad was turning a blind eye to his nation being used to traffic men and arms into iraq. Once the arab spring popped off that little game came back to bite him in the ass.

news (dot) postimees (dot) ee/4369663/german-journalist-russia-helping-isis-in-syria
>The journalist has come across evidence Russia is helping the Islamic State (ISIS) in the Syrian conflict.
>This has made him a nuisance for several of the Kremlin’s propaganda networks and earned Röpcke negative attention from RT and Sputnik for example.

www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/europe/item/22103-russian-fsb-defector-reveals-kremlin-supports-isis

Based effortposters ruining shillposters

thedailybeast.com/russias-double-game-with-islamic-terror
>“Russian special services have controlled” the flow of jihadists into Syria, where they have lately joined up not only with ISIS but other radical Islamist factions.
>Since 2011, nearly 1 percent of the total population of Novosasitili has gone to Syria—22 out of 2,500 residents
>Putin said, "There are an estimated 5,000 to 7,000 fighters from Russia and other CIS member states fighting for ISIL."

Lol, looks like no borscht for vatnik shills tonight.

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See

>The New (((American)))

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Where are the sources in those articles?
Also, you didn't post any proof that Russia created Isis. Now you are making 2 different claims

>Russia created Isis
>russia supports Isis

Which one are you actually making dipshit?

>"post a source"
>"I don't like that source"
Vatnigger is SEETHING

>IS in Iraq is defeated

Umm, no, there are still large swathes of ISIS owned territory in Anbar and elsewhere.

Also, ISIS in Iraq was not funded and armed by the CIA, Israel and Gulf Arabs like they were in Syria.

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>Source is openly Neo-Con and Jewish-funded Think Tank

Lol, it's hilariously illegitimate, Alex Jones has more credibility.

Try a real journalist, like Seymore Hersh.

>cite some western propaganda
>write "Vatnik"
damn how miserable are you?

SEETHING

>US Creates ISIS

>Accuses Russia of creating ISIS

Is this real life?

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>if he's not a russian shill or right wing extremist he doesn't count
ahahahahaha

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>Umm, no, there are still large swathes of ISIS owned territory in Anbar and elsewhere
Cite your (wrong) claims

>resorts to crying about jews instead of actual arguments
Dance yevgenny, dance

The New American is a discredited and non-journalistic publication of the John Birch Society.

How dumb are you?

>Were are my signed papers from Putin?
>t. same faggot that US is behind ISIS

>group of russian shills that claim US is behind ISIS with no article or sources is confronted with articles of Russia supporting ISIS
>going proofster within a milisecond
This is actually funny.