Should cops carry 9mm carbines?
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>"They have a total arsenal of between 2,000 and 3,000 G36C rifles"
>image of police officers armed with MP5's
Bongs.
civpol will probably forget them somewhere, lmao
No, and many UK forces are moving towards 5.56mm
>9mm hollowpoints out of a 16 inch barrel is nothing to sneeze at, more than enough for your average urban youth
>Eases logistics since the station only has to stock one caliber and one magazine that is shared between rifles and handguns
>Officers can quickly grab their carbine without having to stuff a bunch of spare magazines in their pocket because they can just use the handgun magazines they already have on their belt
>Less risk of overpenetration
>Usually less scary looking than evil assault rifle fifteens, which is good for public image
>Low recoil means less training required for rapid follow up shots, which is good because most police barely train
It's honestly not a bad idea.
britbong cops shouldn't have guns. they'll just get taken away by rapefugees
The only people legally allowed to shoot someone in this country are armed police. And that is genuinely a good thing. Who would want millions of underclass subhumans running around shoving guns in peoples faces on the high street?
No. They shouldn't need to.
There are better, far more effective methods of stopping terror attacks rather than relying on the miniscule chance that some plod will happen to be in the right area at the right time, have the skill and mentality to use his carbine appropriately, and be fortunate enough to stop the attack before the offender murders half a dozen infidels or escapes the officer.
And if the 9mm carbine is for dealing with non-terrorist offenses then you should definitely take a long hard look at what's wrong with your society.
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All police in the UK should be armed to the standards of AFOs, in my opinion.
I often wonder why London-based armed police use 9mm when they're arguably the highest risk of being on the end of a marauding attack.
The only rifles bings should carry are the sa80lsws and super shorty boat sa80s.
>All police in the UK should be armed to the standards of AFOs, in my opinion.
Understandable
When I was in london a couple of years ago I saw mostly G36s and MP9s
>instead of kicking out the radical muslims we should give all of our smart unarmed cops that are totally better than the american brute cops MP9s instead
australia just facefucks any muslim that looks like he's considering starting something, and it's worked. we have had one terrorist attack and a lot of near misses. why doesn't britain just do the same?
Many arms of the police use G36s now.
MP7s are used by the MoD Police and some parts of the Met Police.
We do, for a country with such a high terror threat profile, we've had very few compared with other Euro countries.
MI5 apparently foil terrorist attacks daily or something mad like that.
Could that Aimpoint sit any higher over bore?
I mean, I know it's just for show and they never ever shoot it after it's out of manufacture but still.
Do Bongs have no domestic weapon prducers?Why not use FN since Belgium is their creation?
Accuracy International
BAE Systems
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BAE used to own H&K, probably explains the relationship between the UK's love of H&K.
Yeah but what about Brexit? FN also belonged to the Germans before WWI but isn't loved by them, at least I think it. No other reason?
I'm just guessing here, but probably the whole procurement and import process organization and type testing/ acceptance for rifles that would get you v& for life in the UK doesn't come cheap.
Although we don't produce a lot of firearms in country, we still produce a fuck ton of other defence products (tanks, subs, ships, ammunition, explosives etc. etc) so it's not like Europe will tell us we can't have our rooty tooty point and shootys post-Brexit because we could do exactly the same but for larger, more expensive military items.
Some police forces also buy AR-15 types from US manufacturers, so that's always a possibility too.
In France they are repleacing all of the 9mm SMGs and PDWs by G36C 5.56 rifles in the trunks of patrol teams, because of the terrorist attacks. For some strange reasons the GIGN also decided that their brand new rifle would be a CZ Bren in 7.62x39mm instead of their old 5.56.
In America it may not be a bad idea, may help accuracy. Iirc, 16" 9x19mm hits about as hard as .357 mag from 4" at point blank or something. Thats a lot of punch, no one laughs at .357. Even 8-10" is pretty good gain.
FN Herstal also used to be owned by the french GIAT company, but during that time Herstal managed to tank, cripple and force GIAT to bail them out until the province of Wallonia bought them back. Probably explains why France doesn't produce any small arms anymore and is going to buy everything to HK.
Some of the SMGs the French were using during the attacks looked positively WW2 vintage.
Police officers are cocksuckers who fear to use violence on anyone brown because they either fear being called racist or sympathize with them.
Your basedboy coppers would just end up being trigger happy on some white "racist" who posted offensive meme on facebook.
So i want the cops to be as disarmed as the native population they love to opress.
They don't fear getting called racist, they fear using their firearms and ending up in the justice system where judges are 99% commies and prisoners are 99% muslims.
Use your head.
You probably saw MAT-49's that were pulled out of some old Gendarmerie stockpile at the last second.
Not police officers, it's the management above them who are at fault for trying to enforce touchy feely policies where they simply don't belong.
That and the media constantly playing cut videos of a police officer tasing a suspect, but not playing the five minutes of grappling and the suspect trying to kill them beforehand.
Every community and civil society needs skullcrackers.
You need brutes who keep other brutes inline by cracking their skulls from time to time.
This is just a function of civilization since the beginning of time.
Everyone should be armed with an MP5 for +5 aesthetics.
Every police shooting is automatically referred to the IPCC where they're investigated as murderers as default in almost every case. It puts horrendous stress on the officer and makes it appear to the public as if every police shooting is the result of a trigger happy copper, it's not conducive to a healthy working environment for the officer, or a healthy relationship between the police and the public.
After every shooting there's always the question of "why couldn't they just shoot the perp in the arm/leg/chest/foot" which is always explained out by whoever they bring on with an ounce of common sense, but never seems to stick in the public's mind.
Don't forget you've still got the (large) part of the British population (and politicians) who sees unarmed policing as something to be proud of, because it gives them a sense of warmth that their country isn't as fucked as it actually is.
When you've got coppers:
>being stabbed (in thier stab vest, luckily) because the taser doesn't deploy properly
>or cops being forced back by fucking SUPERMARKET ROBBERS because they're armed
>or cops held up with a pistol by some gangbanger in London and having to almost plead for his life
>or cops having to rugby tackle a knife wielding, suicide belt wearing terrorist
and you STILL have to wait several minutes for armed response even in the centre of London, you know something's terribly wrong.
He's probably thinking of Beretta M-12s.
Let the plebs have their acid, knife and car attacks. Remember that time before the weapons ban? It was absolute chaos in the streets /s.
When the guns were legal, mass shootings was pretty damn rare (inline with most other western nations), but you guys went full retard after the Dunblane massacre.
But sure, have your unearned moral superiority bong.
is exactly what's wrong with this country (the UK), as said.
Okay bootlickers. Tell me what happens when Juan, Rakesh, Jamal and Ahmed are called on a "racist" white guy? How will those based brown men in blue act?
Will they remain objective and do their job or will the label make them abuse the power?
>Don't forget you've still got the (large) part of the British population (and politicians) who sees unarmed policing as something to be proud of, because it gives them a sense of warmth that their country isn't as fucked as it actually is.
I've noticed while practically every other crime charged in court short of a violent premeditated murder gets far far less prison time usually compared to firearms related offences even if nonviolent/not directly violent.
I can understand why there is an incentive to come down hard on it but its painful to see the shockingly short/nonexistant sentences handed out for GBH/Manslaughter. The longest sentence given I've seen in the past few years has been pic related
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Reading about Philip Luty's experiences makes it seem like non violent firearms related offenders are treated worse than child rapists/murderers/armed burglars so long as the attacks only involved knives/bats/acid
I don't understand why they keep on giving out such short sentences in this country, why are career criminals allowed to get off with a slap on the wrist then some mentally ill 35 year old gets 12 years for owning a box of fireworks because its related to terror/an ideology? Every day short sentences are handed out, there is no deterrent for criminals, the prisons themselves aren't even that bad compared to outside practically hotels
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anarchotyranny friend
You should worry more about your government employing dykes and nonwhites as police force at alarming rates.
Imagine people still bootlicking after being policed by invaders.
It would be like occupied Poles bootlicking KGB. But then again that probably happend
>Less risk of overpenetration
That's debatable.
>public image
Should not even be considered in choosing a weapon.
>most police barely train
Not an excuse. A man who carries a weapon for a living may be expected to learn to use it well.
Nothing wrong with loving the hk aesthetics
The UK is cucked beyond saving.
Better off carrying a swarm of bees
Who gives a shit if they scare some soccer mom.
Sure, why not?
cops should carry whatever the citizens can legally carry.
Cops should routinely carry compact pistol stocks and foregrips, and have reflex sights. Sometimes, you get a minute to prepare for trouble, and a stock, foregrip, and decent optic dramatically improve accuracy.
If they're going to carry an actual long gun, it shouldn't be crippled with pistol ammunition.
>Who would want millions of underclass subhumans running around shoving guns in peoples faces on the high street?
You wouldn't have that problem if you didn't let millions of subhumans into your country.
>G36C
>a couple of MP5's
FAKE. NEWS.
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>7. To maintain at all times a relationship with the public that gives reality to the historic tradition that the police are the public and that the public are the police, the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full-time attention to duties which are incumbent on every citizen in the interests of community welfare and existence.
For me, Peel 7 is the heart and soul of honest policework. As soon as you forget that police are just citizens who get paid to do full time what every citizen has the right and responsibility to do, you turn the police into an occupying army and enemy of the people.
>duties which are incumbent on every citizen in the interests of community welfare and existence
A vast amount of the population of the UK does not have any interest in generating a sense of community welfare and existence, and a further proportion of the population actively seeks to destroy this for their own personal gain.
Examples:
>London "gangs"
>Benefits scroungers
>The above - who also commit low level crime
>Recreational drug users
>Habitual drug users
>Weekend binge drinkers and "m8 it's just a weekend" alcoholics
>Those who exploit the above for their own gain
So you think that a handful of police do a better job of keeping them in line than an omnipresent armed and authorized citizenry?
Anyway this state of affairs is the product of Leftist policies, which have undermined citizenship and replaced liberty (the freedom to do good) with licentiousness (the freedom to do evil). This reduces the general population to the status and mindset of perpetual poorly-minded children.
Never has sexual conduct been less regulated, or honest productivity more restricted. It has never been easier to live as a parasite and meddler, or harder to sustain a decent community to raise children in. There has never been such a flood of worthless criminals entering the country, or such extreme prohibitions on judging and acting on judgement.
>Countries internal intelligence/security agency is about as busy as airborne troops in Korengal in terms of actively denying threats/enemy operations
>Still allow fuck tons of these enemies into your state.
So if MI5 gets their budget cut by some assholes who don't know what's going on, how many people do you think would die?
>Tfw you realize MI5 has a file on 1 in 160 people in the UK circa 2006
>Tfw you realize this ratio has probably only increased due to 2015-2017s terrorism attacks around the world.
>So you think that a handful of police do a better job of keeping them in line than an omnipresent armed and authorized citizenry?
No, I don't, I was merely explaining why Peelian principles just cannot be applied anymore. The police in the UK are overwhelmed and underfunded, with it not being made any better my money going towards ridiculous PR stunts and "community relations".
I absolutely agree with the rest of your post.
It's past that now anyway, we have cells of extremists active in the UK that are radicalising natural-born UK citizens.
I think if we didn't have the capability in terms of terrorist threat interdiction we have now we'd be exceeding Europe in terms of successful terrorist attacks, again, just my opinion.
That guy actually looks like he meets up with known radical mosques to ensure that they will never be investigated properly.
He's actually a fairly high performing, high ranking officer.
He's pissed off a lot of the touchy feely groupies because he's actively called out Muslims for not doing enough to combat extremism within their own communities, and repeatedly demanded that they report other Muslims for extremist values.
I still cannot believe what happened in France and that the terrorists were successful
>every time an agent of the state kills somebody, it is thoroughly investigated
This is probably why you don't see Baltimore/LA/Ferguson tier riots every so often the way the US does.
I'm not seeing a problem. No step on snek.
No, they should carry 9x25 Dildo carbines.
Fun fact: The Poles hated Russia so much that even after the Soviets invaded Poland and imposed a communist puppet government, the KGB still wasn't allowed to operate in the country, The Russians had to use the Stasi to do it for them.
>Peelian principles just cannot be applied anymore.
They were never based on the assumption that criminals were rare and that the typical citizen would eagerly sacrifice his time and endanger himself to fight crime.
Criminals are flawed, weak, and attack each other. If they attack each other effectively, and lethally, this is a positive good. When all may arm themselves, the evil destroy each other faster, and the good defend themselves by destroying evil.
One of the major policy problems is gathering statistics without specifics. For one criminal to kill another and be hanged for it is as good as hanging two criminals, but in the statistics it just comes out as one more violent crime as if society's the worse for it. By the same token, a lethal self-defense shooting is far preferable over capturing a robber and having to go through a trial for him and show mercy for his cooperation. We don't want to restrain evil, but weed it out, and allowing it to destroy itself is an effective component of the process. The wicked should come to bad ends.
>The only people legally allowed
Cool. They got LMTs.
Left bong has shitty beat up gi mag
>fight bong has nicer everything on his rifle and shiny pmag with window
Why
But right bong has no sling either? Why are bong cops retardedly armed
Nigger, what? Their rifles are identical save for an extra rail cover on the left rifle at the 12 o'clock position. Are you really going to bitch about a magazine? Are you fucking retarded?
It really wasn't that sophisticated, most attacks aren't.
Riots have happened due to shooting incidents in the UK, but yes for the most part the most part, the biggest kick off is maybe a small local surge of people that can be handled with the local riot unit.
"Rehabilitate rather than punish" is the current judicial system model, which isn't working, and criminals are currently being held in prisons where drug use, assault, extremism and other factors drive them to be equal or worse criminals than when they arrived.
London is honestly horrific, you couldn't pay me enough to move/work/live/visit there. It humors me how the Gov are genuinely concentrating on banning a certain type of music associated with gang culture, rather than funding actual useful forms of interdiction.
They both have exactly the same accessories and capabilities, magazines are just whatever is issued from the armoury.
Both have slings.
>tfw casemogged
Seriously though, are there any us civvy rifles that use that? Sounds like a fun round.
Why don't bong cops simply murder any judge and prosecutor that attempts to jail a bong cop? The system is already corrupt as fuck, why not use that corruption to protect your own?
Probably just old stock. PMAGs does seem to be more common.
>country is a corrupt shithole
>he wants the people who are in charge of seizing guns and oppressing the citizenry to actually be effective
How about the UK citizens kill any cop or prosecutor who attempts to enforce gun control laws.
>Are you really going to bitch about a magazine?
Vast majority of jams are the magazine's fault. Beat up old magazines simply aren't reliable.
>How about the UK citizens kill any cop or prosecutor who attempts to enforce gun control laws.
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
The trouble with "Why don't we just kill everyone who's filling a role in an evil system?" is that in modern society, most people are forced into such roles. Cops don't like this. They know there's something deeply wrong. But most people also have limited capacity for independent thought. They watch the news. They get a dozen years of state indoctrination during their formative years, and then are subjected to ongoing indoctrination. People who say "wrong things" too openly are made public examples of. Cops are mostly trying to do as much of the right thing as they can, while not being reduced to impoverished, irrelevant outcasts.
Individually deciding to kill police who enforce gun control laws won't fix the problem, just destroy yourself, and if you could get enough to agree on such a measure to make it effective, you could fix the problem without killing police.
>How about the UK citizens kill any cop or prosecutor who attempts to enforce gun control laws.
Also a good option, the Anglos can make their own no go zones where government employees and foreigners aren't safe.
They should come to Norn Iron
The UK has been without firearms proper for decades, there's very little appetite or want in society for firearms to become common place. We've never really had the gun culture in the first place like the US has.
The police aren't some evil superpower, they're just doing their job in enforcing the laws of the UK, laws which for the most part have been around much longer than they have.
Yeah, N.I. has that for a reason, namely roving bands of terrorists intent on causing as much damage as possible. Oh wait actually....
A goddamn qt 3.14 indeed.
Also why is there a 3 round burst option?
Because than people on Jow Forums will whine about how the police are too militarized.
>The UK has been without firearms proper for decades, there's very little appetite or want in society for firearms to become common place.
There's very little open call for it, you mean. It's not politically correct in the UK: you risk special scrutiny, and (for instance) having your shotgun license pulled, so you can't even keep a home defense weapon. But of course people resent being made helpless in the face of swarming criminals.
>We've never really had the gun culture in the first place like the US has.
England was both a safe place to live and a place where it was a cherished right for people to arm themselves as they felt necessary to their circumstances until recently. Naturally, the former collapsed as the latter was stripped.
The US "gun culture" is a product of ethnic diversity and close contact with numerous aliens, something England didn't have to live with until recently. Now, a large fraction of the adult population would feel safer rather than less safe if they, and other responsible adults around them, carried handguns, due to their frequent contact with violent aliens.
I see you are happy being a useless sheep and with the decadence of your country. Carry on by all means.
No really, talk to your average joe on the street and they'll look at you like you're some freak for wanting to own a firearm, even those with relatively centre or centre-right political views. This is common across Europe because Europe has never had the frontier mindset that the US has/had.
Countries like the Czech Republic and Eastern Europe has a much more developed and generally free-er gun culture since they were/ are more volatile and generally have a more self-defensive mindset.
Although there may have been a wider range of firearms pre-ban in the UK, they were never carried for purposes of self defence in the way that is common and has been common in the US, that may indeed be because we've never had the frontier mindset that the US has/had as mentioned above.
I know they are european police meeting but i don't know if they are a NATO style cooperation of police between Europe and Burgerland i don't talk of interpol i mean normal policefag meeting each other . If that meeting exist reading this thread burger police must be dead by our cucked states
>Although there may have been a wider range of firearms pre-ban in the UK, they were never carried for purposes of self defence
that isn't true though. Carriage of firearms for personal defense was legislated away in the UK over time, it's just that the people who were alive back when it was an option for anybody but her majesty's chosen few are all dead now.
>Eases logistics since the station only has to stock one caliber and one magazine that is shared between rifles and handguns
>Officers can quickly grab their carbine without having to stuff a bunch of spare magazines in their pocket because they can just use the handgun magazines they already have on their belt
Pistols and Pistol Caliber Carbines generally do NOT share the same type of magazine. A few exceptions would be the Beretta Cx4 which can be configured to accept Px4 or 92FS magazines; Also some AR-15-pattern PCC's use Glock pistol magazines. But those MP5's in the OP pic definitely do not share mags with the sidearms.
We can agree to disagree on if carrying a pistol for self defence was ever as popular in the UK as it is the US, but regardless, the last time you could own a pistol freely for self defence was 1937, and since the vocal minority tends to influence public opinion here, I can't see it ever changing.
>there may have been a wider range of firearms pre-ban in the UK, they were never carried for purposes of self defence in the way that is common and has been common in the US
That is nonsense. There was no regulation of firearms ownership until 1919, and it wasn't until 1946 that carrying a handgun for self-defense became illegal.
Going armed was less common only because England's low crime rate meant that it was less often necessary. Culturally, it was understood to be both a reasonable precaution and an essential right to carry a revolver when one had to enter high-crime areas. The idea that England has never had a "gun culture" or right to bear arms is a pernicious lie, and the fact that you believe it demonstrates the effectiveness of the liberal brainwashing.
(BTW, generalizing to the whole UK is unreasonable. It remains legal to go armed for self-defense in Northern Ireland, and many people consider it necessary. Scotland, like Ireland, has been uneasy as an occupied and oppressed country, and legitimate self-defense and private defense of the public order has been suppressed more and for longer than in England.)
>as popular in the UK as it is the US
That wasn't your claim before, asshole. And it's already been pointed out that England was much safer, particularly from violent aliens, and therefore people with the same attitudes toward self-defense with firearms would have less reason to carry.
>Going armed was less common only because England's low crime rate meant that it was less often necessary.
> they were never carried for purposes of self defence in the way that is common and has been common in the US
That's almost exactly what I was saying.
The UK did and does have a gun culture, but you just simply cannot say the acceptance of privately held firearms is anything but low to moderate.
"A firearm certificate for a personal protection weapon will only be authorised where the Police Service of Northern Ireland deems there is a ‘verifiable specific risk’ to the life of an individual and that the possession of a firearm is a reasonable, proportionate and necessary measure to protect their life."
It's not a free for all in N.I. though.
I've always maintained the UK never really had the gun culture in the first place like the US has.
Serfs will be serfs
Tbf i've made threads asking Jow Forums if they thought police militarization was a bad thing. The general consensus was that "muh APC's muh salty rifles" is a meme and the real issue is a militarized mindset among moto cops.
Please give me some reference as to where UK citizens, from the street urchin to the leader, in the UK (not the Commonwealth) went around their daily duties with a pistol about their person, a shotgun on their horse and a gun cabinet in their home?
I'm genuinely curious.
You're saying "gun culture" as if that means "statistical rate of time spent armed" rather than "attitude toward going armed".
People with the same gun culture living with different rates of criminality and encounters with dangerous animals or aliens will carry at different rates. You're conflating culture and circumstances.
No, I'm meaning it as the acceptance, use and ownership of firearms.
In practice, you use 3-round burst the same way you would use single shots. Better hit probability and more damage on target.
>never carried for purposes of self defence
>as popular in the UK as it is the US
Careful running around so fast with those goal posts
It had guns up to the early 1900s (don't quote me on the date), and nearly 50x less crime to boot.
It's not that a gun culture didn't exist, it was simply weaker (no need to hunt, battle savages or larp about fighting the king). And now that it's been about a century, it no longer has inertia in the popular culture. Add in modern politics, and it's too late to fight back.
The UK was a perfect storm for anti-rights events. Perhaps that's why Orwell called it out as Airstrip One so early on.
true but its smaller islands nations still live freely some how thought.
i.e
>Isle of man
>Guernsey
>Isle of Jersey
cos they have seperate parliment thats why they are still nice places.