Californian here

If such a situation were to ever happen, I'm happy I live in San Diego. People here are fairly loyal (there are exceptions...). I'd probably be going out and getting tacos and beer like I normally do, except instead of sports on the TVs it would be broadcasts from the March to the Sea or whatever that would swiftly end it.

Man, you sure do seem to like the idea of nationwide, self-inflicted mass suffering. Would have made an excellent cannon fodder grey.

>cannon fodder grey
>1861 Democrats leave the union
>2018 Democrats want to leave the union

You know a measure for Texas to secede was formally discussed at a low level in the last year or so, right? Guess who controls every level of government there.

>doesn't understand the history of the American political spectrum
Republicans were the more liberal party until the 1930s.

You do know even in Texas they are not taken seriously by Texas government? Guess who controls every level of government here and why the populace doesn’t even take them seriously to get it on any ballots?

>Doesn’t understand Lincoln was the first Republican president
Wasn’t hard to bait out the leftist that was probably the butthurt one of the last thread.

You want to try that again? This time in English.

They'd be armed with weapons supplied by china or mexico or some country in Europe, or failing that, guns made by whatever factory they managed to capture (without the owners blowing it up). Equipment would come from similar sources, probably a mixed bag of various countries equipment and commercial consumer products. Training would come from rich assholes PMCs who would also be organizing the rebels command structure and resource allocation.

Which probably wouldn't be contained in California, but would instead be planned out with the help of commie mayors and governors and others all over the country, who would immediately hand their cities over and try to force all available resources towards the rebel advance.

I don't know how much effort will be put into it. It heavily depends on what exactly is going on elsewhere in the country, government, corporate world, military, and planet. But if China, Mexico, Belgium, most influential corporations, and a quarter of the military are on board with it, and are determined to do so, they could probably win.

But you see they can't create their own society. They're just a by-product of ours. They're into the idea of rebelling, but the problem is that they need something to rebel against. Also, they worship niggers, so we all now from experience how that turns out.

Nobody in the legislature supports it you idiot. The only actually resolutions/statements passed have been by county and local level governments in the red areas of the far north reaches of the state.

just asking the question my dude
thanks my nigger thats why i reposted it more to the point, so literal retards wouldnt get so triggered by all the reading.
>water, food, logistics.
Another good point, however this is normal for a war zone I would imagine. I mean I guess the dedication of the Vietcong, troops in Ukraine, and Muj is way more than Antifa would be, at least initially, but I think the lack of food and water and logistics would be pretty normal as far as warzones, and people still heading there.
>Ukraine, ISIS ran Iraq/ Syria
Yea I feel like as far as conservatives or gunowners, initially wed see more liberals going. Gunowners i feel like would go in smaller groups, like the most politically active first, followed by vets probably who feel lost or want more purpose back in life, most conservatives I think are more concerned with providing for their family and keeping things ready at home more so than leaving home to go fight, even if its part of their country and relatively not that far.

Like we've seen in Ukraine and Syria/Iraq tho, there absolutely would be groups heading to CA to fight on the right side of things as well, I just dont think as much at first.
Yea OP here i live in OC, north county is pretty blue unfortunately but mid to south gets more and more red till the end of the county. Id be down to go fight honestly. Our state almost needs something like this, as fucked as that sounds. Our state has been so fucked by these people. What about if these roaming bands of people are taking out police and rule of law in your area, affecting your normal life?

>nationwide suffering
cleansing CA sounds like a good deal to me

>last year or so
are you talking about during Obama, hello?

>wut m8

news.gallup.com/opinion/polling-matters/233678/secession-politics-makes-sense-california.aspx

Oh shit, forgot you need some time to have your revisionist history, like Lincoln being the first REAL Democrat president.

Good point. Would probably be closest to Iraq and Syria if the aqueducts become fair game.

Maybe done in shadow sort of speak, but even then would be insanely risky. I would imagine maybe elements inside Iran would, maybe North Korea, maybe even China but i feel like china has too much to loose.

>PMC's
why would they help a CA rebellion if the US gov is probably their biggest contract, or say the US isnt, who would be fronting the bill for these PMC's? Wealthy Silcon valley or Lib politician groups?

>Quarter of the military onboard
I dunno, I dont think even that sympathies with a liberal agenda. Say its the world of today, exactly today or right after the election in 2016, so 2017 timeframe. For foreign aid to come, I think the rebellion would have to hold real ground for say 6mo to a year, then to actually acquire that aid with im sure a US Naval Blockade would be crazy tough, really interesting idea there tho

I agree with you completely, Im sure the society they would create if they were allowed to would be some equally at each others throats society where varying degrees of political correctness are accepted or stamped out by more radical libs. Absolutely their society would be a byproduct of ours, Im thinking more of how in Raqqa for example when ISIS ran the city and society there unopposed basically, running their own police and government organizations while the war is raging in areas far from Raqqa. I dunno if that makes sense/

>thread derailers getting pruned
>rekt

What a world that would be in, i almost would want to see that happen. CA basically a nogo zone like said in the last thread, free to come and go as you want roaming innawoods with a militia group making your way to the coast or north to fight. Interesting idea to think about.

Absolutely water and reservoirs would be paramount, the farming areas of the state would be paramount to control, considering farming could even effectively be done during the civil war in CA

I think Antifa leaders would almost exclusively choose to defend the cities like LA, SF, Oakland, those populated areas mostly, however they would have to travel out into a more conservative area for sure to secure reservoirs and farmed foods, then hold those areas.

I dont think they could hold them nearly at all inland, mostly because of lack of training and because of that not enough resources to hold anything as shooting on their part would for the most part be a crap shoot and they probably wouldnt have a reliable supply chain. Gunowners inland away from the populated coast would have a homefield advantage by far, or be in a group that included locals from the surrounding area or somewhat surrounding area, the fights for these resources would be pretty legit to watch im sure, then add another fire season and a raging civil war, shit man talk about desolation and cities like LA burning to the ground as im sure most fire departments wouldnt be working, as most firefighters in my experience are pretty conservative and patriotic and i doubt Liberal/antifa volunteers could do anything to stop an out of control fire sweeping much of CA.

Did we talk about the reserve centers being raided? Some of them are balls deep into enemy territory. That's 240s, m16A4s, M4s, 203s even and whatever else falling into their hands. I don't think their armories carry live AT4s or the like but I'm not sure

WOuldn't the more rural areas leave the city areas on their own? From what I've read, Cali farmers don't exactly see eye-to-eye with Antifa.
I could see a 3-way fight, with "Jefferson" trying to carve out its own little niche, possibly by aiding federal troops .

>I could see a 3-way fight, with "Jefferson" trying to carve out its own little niche, possibly by aiding federal troops .
West Virginia became a state when the 33 mountain counties that make it up responded to Virginia's declaration of secession by seceding from Virginia and staying in the Union. If Calexit happened, Jefferson would almost certainly do the same thing.

Yea that's what I'm saying, the inland farmers are absolutely against antifa and most liberal agendas. I'm saying if anything they'd see this as an opportunity to rid the state of them especially if armed groups of antifa and leftiat militants were going out into their land and area to secure farmland or water resivours

If anything the farmers would be fighting on the side of funowners and the conservatives or right wing gun owners in CA and coming to CA to fight antifa and leftist shit

That would be pretty interesting and cool. I would honestly like to see that, Jefferson makes of where in CA?

Everybody would go to north California and shoot at hippies until they all leave

>Implying the Snowflakes are capable much less willing to fight their own fuckin battles!

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>he thinks there are a lot of actual hippies

Meanwhile, President Bonespurs dodged the draft multiple times and let other people literally fight his battles.

Everything north of red bluff/redding on i-5 essentially. The areas below red bluff would turn into a sort of dmz zone.

That would be great desu
They need to do that in LA and SF particularly

You saying youd rather barnie Sandles be in the white house?

That would be acceptable, honestly fighting back the cancer of western society would make with pic related would make the temporary change in everyday life worth it

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>That would be acceptable, honestly fighting back the cancer of western society would make with pic related would make the temporary change in everyday life worth it

Have fun with that. Fighting antifa would be fun for awhile, but living in Redding is a fate worse than death. That place fucking blows.

t. born there, left asap

I meant fighting down south of that, im like OC or SD area right below LA county

I didn't realise redding was shit tho, my grandpa was born there I guess tho

Any of this shit would cause the U.S. military to fuck these groups in the ass, think mandatory ship searches for each cargo ship, rich fuckers getting Bin Laden'd, and the U.S. going full tankie in Europe.

Fuck everybody. I'm making my own country and fighting everybody just cause.

Yea I agree, i dont think it would be worth foreign powers to try this, even "rogue states" like Iran or NK, the backlash if it was found out would be so great.

but where and what do you stand for

Jow Forums mods are fucking awful
>talk about illegally CCW’ing in California
>get a 30 day ban

>Not only that but how would gunowners/right wing militias/ groups look vs them? How would the battles look? Bloodier than the civil war or a pushover?
Let’s just say that only ~20% of Californians have guns, and very few of them would be in support of a Pantifa revolution

>leftists
>flocking to

Nobody wants to live in CA because leftism has made it expensive and ridiculous.
They don't go where things are like that, they flee from that, and *make* things like that elsewhere, in an apparent failure to correlate concepts.

yea thats true, but keep in mind in this uprising antifa/leftists would have raided police stations for arms, gun stores/shops/undefended reserve stations for arms.

Not that that means their an effective fighting force tho

>expensive and ridiculous
yea but im talking about during a civil war/revolution in CA so expensive living isnt really a factor, those fags are moving here to fight for their ideology is what im saying. You dont think they'd come to CA if that meant they (in their minds) could literally make their own society how they want while taking out all the "racists and nazis" that oppose them. I think theyd get fucking rekt but regardless I think fags would go to CA, particularly areas like LA, SF, Oakland to try to force their retarded ideologies into existence.

>could literally make their own society how they want while taking out all the "racists and nazis" that oppose them
I believe this
We've seen pictures of handfuls of western commies going to the Middle East to aid the YPG and other like groups.
But, they go to places that have rugged people that have been living off the land for centuries
So when they go to California, I'm expecting metaphorical and possibly literal cannibalization between themselves. Of course after the fact they'd blame the Russians or other popular scapegoat at the time.

Yet the population continues to increase with a significant number of domestic immigrants flowing in.

You're probably a chink trying to sow dissent in our country but nothing gets my dick harder than thinking of all the communists in this country consolidating and trying to fight us. Especially because we could purge them from our nation and take back the gorgeous land of California.

Op here
Nig I'm saying I want it to happen because I want to fucking slay libs, I would love this to happen so I can cleanse my fucking state of liberal scum
Literal cannibalization? I'm sorry I'm confused, like lack of food and whatnot drives the influx of liberal fuck boys fighting their "holy war for social justice" with no food and water leads to this?

Oh or you mean between the different Lib ideologies
I'm sure at the end of it all they would blame it all on someone more conservative like being orchestrated by the right or Russia or a conservative "deep state" group. Honestly not a bad idea desu

Wut

I think he got banned at some point

yea i get that but just a rando thing to drop in this thread

This scenario is extremely unlikely. Antifa can't even take over Berkeley, let alone Oakland or even the East Bay. They are allowed to exist as a political pawn to push East Bay mayors further left.

Like any mob, their tools of choice are mostly melee, ie sticks, chains, bikelocks. They have also used smoke grenades and soda cans filled with cement or gravel. Small arms would be limited and would likely only come into play if a conflict lasted beyond a day or two. Equipment might consist of a car to taxi members around the city. Training is virtually unknown.

These people can barely function in our own society, let alone set up a parallel one. Their objectives are limited. First, they like to put on a good show by coming out in a block formation and occupying a street or square. But these theatrics give way to their second obsession, destroying and looting property, particularly banks and atms.

The primary people they want to attack, the people they most despise, are landlords. I would expect small mobs simultaneously trying to kill these people. All in all these are things that the Berkley police can deal with.

Is it? These knuckle-draggers make dozens of threads about stupid, random shit every day,. all of which were regularly banned from Jow Forums way back.

>extremely unlikely
Yes I understand that, however as far as Berkeley your referring to those instances where Right wing groups went there and beat the shit out of them at a rally, that didnt exactly win the city Berkeley is still a red shithole.

I agree that antifa is an extremist mob of undisciplined fucks that cant do much besides make a mess in the streets but they are extremists and with more left extremists is seems like around than Right extremest hypothetically if what I was saying could happen happened, I would be really curious to see how an armed and hyped up on rhetoric and #'s Antifa/Left wing mob could do If they felt that a true independent CA was possible free of "racists and right wing nazis", that being their goal and feeling it was actually possible to get.

As far as arms, if looting occurred from gun stores and whatnot im think CA compliant AR's and Shotguns mostly. They wouldnt know fuck all about using them effectively but I think thats what we would see

Redding is an incredibly based high white people demograpic. Like 70%+ whites and it has access to lots of outdoors shit because it’s in the mountains. I would take Redding over anywhere in CA. Maybe if I get rich enough I will buy land there and just fuck off because everyone is like minded around there and wouldn’t report you for guns or shit.

Redding is a shithole.

There were Antifa riots in Berkley before 2016. Just because the city is filled with dumbasses who support the riots doesn't mean that those people would actually join such a movement.

There are gaps in the scenario. I can't imagine that current Antifa numbers are more than perhaps 10k in Berkley, out of a total population of 120k. I'm sure there's at least double their numbers in sympathizers. But there are other groups in the city as well, including gangs. I think for the scenario to work Antifa would need to absorb gangs completely to the point where they could overpower local police forces who are themselves hamstrung by stand down orders.

The first line of resistance would be the police officers, in Berkley, in the Bay Area and across CA. If they failed to contain the outbreak, then things would shift to the governor. If Sacramento sides with Antifa and do something like disbanding the national guard and all police within the state, then I think things would shift to gun owners and militia units.

In that scenario I think it would be sporadic violence until the military arrives to put an end to the disorder. What it would look like I think would be like what I said would happen to the landlords. To go in greater detail, small groups of perhaps 20 to 30 people cornering someone in their home or office and trying to kill them using whatever weapons are at their disposal.