The future of war involves mechs

The one advantage they have is terrain navigation, but other than that, there's no real practical advantage

Sorry to burst bubble, but ground pressure behaivor law. Unless the mech is light enough to not collapse under its weight and sink into the ground, it will not work. No weeb robots today, no sir.

If your "mechs" are walking gun turrets like pic related I don't see why not. But don't go full autist with it.

Looks a little like tx-55

Also, this is the next step in drone warfare. Infantry will be phased out

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This thing is begging for a HESH facial

Spaced Plot armor

>rekt libtard

>integrated shield array blocks missiles and GW-rated blaster fire
>can be crushed by some big-log-bois

Is this a Dune reference?

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War will become so gay as fuck if that ever happens

>if
There's literally no plausible reason for it to ever happen, so you can rest easy.

I think that .jpg gave me eye cancer.

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No, it will be weaponized drones controlled by AI. You could easily build millions of these and send them in enormous swarms at your enemy.

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terrible thread

Oh look, a mech thread

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This

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How do you get enough energy to power this piece of crap for more than an hour exactly?
Those mecha meme things look fragile as fuck and never last and even be remotely useful on a battlefield.

Thicc

Compare a robot to a human.
Robots are stronger, faster, smarter, and all they need is power.
A walking robot is needed because of stairs, ally ways and the entire planet is build for legs over wheels or tracks.
Nuclear power batteries has solved the power question.
The reason is votes, the military would lose political power if they went full skynet so they only do skynet light.
Politics is the reason you only hear of drones.

Mechs will never be a thing.
Power armour will never be a thing
Exoskeletons will be used in construction but will never see deliberate combat.

>implying some Arab meme states won't weaponize industrial exoskeletons.

Walking mech most useful function would be to park them in urban centers on street corners for observation and blowing up potential terrorists/gang bangers fully automated just always watching out for criminal activity 24/7

Robots require tons of maintenance, humans, not as much.

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A weapon to surpass metal gear

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How just throw on some snarky AI and you're ready for a terrifying battle buddy.

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No, the future belongs to air superiority and drones.

>Nuclear power batteries has solved the power question.

Except that's not how that works.

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Only thing stopping this is a power source

It's almost like the US WANTS to get fucked by Japan when they deploy an army of mobile suits

I am pretty sure Bradley with its autocannon will destroy that crap.
Not even mentioning something actually useful like CAS.

Nuclear power batteries aren't what you think they are.

What you're talking about is a Radioisotope Thermo-electric Generator, or RTG for short.

They give you a tiny trickle of power but will keep going for decades. Very useful when traveling to other planets but kinda useless for military usage.

It's basic military strategy: price, logistics, and production. Yeah, they're cool, but an actual, functional mech would be expensive. It's just retardation to think it's possible to replace all conventional military functions with AI and robots. It doesn't matter if a robot can individually beat a soldier, but if you tried to replace each soldier with a robot, you would lose power projection in the long run. If a whole division gets killed, it's easy to replace. Expensive wonder weapons? no.
Is there one role a mech can fulfill that a tank can't fulfill better?
>nuclear power batteries
>the reason is votes
>retard found
The military and alphabet agencies do not give a fuck about votes. They routinely do all kinds of shady shit that that the public knows about. The reason they do skynet lite is because that's what's possible and that's where the tech is effective: in small, specialized doses.
Tanks and planes spend more time in maintenance than in operation. Imagine the maintenance on a fucking robot, with way more miniaturized tech.

This is military doctrine 101: what the fuck will this look like in the field?
>Super cool robot tech, no more infantry, hunter killer assassin android
>reality: it break down in 40 minutes, spend 70 hours in maintenance, objective failed because no one else capable was around

love the exposed PSU cables and the open grills over the joint servos. could literally be disabled by throwing a hand of gravel at it

A walker? No. A skating tripod with onmi directional wheels? Maybe. Nice armored cocpit suspended by articulated struts using a series of "low rider" like airbags and disc breaks in each joint. 360 degree auto turret on top with multi use modular hard points. Heavy armor plating on the lower "legs" to squat down behind only popping up to get a better angle quickly. Take up the same footprint of a jeep.
Thats a start.

No inb4 a weapon to surpass metal gear? Then this is now a Metal Gear thread. All hail Vic Boss

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>what the fuck will this look like in the field

You're extrapolating from fighter jets n tanks n shiet, but that's the wrong way to go. The vulnerability of combat machines is brittle algorithms. That's hard to mitigate with lot smore programming, expensive hardware, etc. It's easy to mitigate with lots of cheap stuff you can afford to lose, which also maximizes the advantages of AI (the software, which can be copied for free, and cooperates better than humans).

Uber kill bots? More like swarms of consumer tier bots. Maintenance? Fuck it. Before one model of bots is starting to wear, the next generation is already being shipped out.

To be fair (as Lewis Mumford said about pseudomorphs) that's not the paradigm the military is used to so it won't go for the new one right away. But swarms are a known idea, so they'll get around to it eventually.

Oh for fuck's sake, you lot are almost as bad as BBfags.

Mechs are tall. Yes, they can lay down, but when moving at their fastest, they are standing straight up. Tall things cannot hide behind cover. Tall things can be shot from far away by things behind cover. Tall things fall over. Being tall is shitty in war, which is why tanks are so damn squat. That's an L for the mech.

Further, because mechs are tall, they need armor over more area; every conceivable face that is exposed to the enemy while walking (all of them) must be armored. This makes them heavy. So not only are they vulnerable to more fire than tanks, they are also slower than tanks. Another L.

When a mech lays down, it can only move at a snails pace compared to its normal locomotion. Meanwhile, a tank can play peekaboo all day long moving at max speed. L.

The fact that mechs are tall also means that they cannot mount big guns; you strap a Rheinmetall 120mm smoothbore to one and it'll topple over like a rag doll. Sure they can feasibly mount missiles, but missiles are also more expensive than and cannot carry as much ammo as cannons. Another L for the mech.

Finally, there is no miracle of materials science that would make mechs feasible without making tanks even more feasible. Super light armor that doesn't slow mechs down but makes them just as durable as tanks? Tanks just got even faster. Powerful, rugged servos facilitating human-like limbs? Turret traverse speeds just got better. So on and so forth. Mechs look cool, but they are objectively a shit.

A thread died for this BS... Summer children piss me off... We should force proof of age and ownership of firearms to post on the board!

>Swiggity swooty

Who needs ground pounders when you can build the Ratte (AKA the Demolisher ii).
Dual AC-20s/UAC-20s/Thunderhead Rockets/etc..
Tank beats everything.

Timberwolves when?

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Yeah a composite or carbon fiber mech is completely possible and feasible.

Not a big steel lunker, no way.

>The future of war involves mechs
in japanese cartoons or videogames, maybe.

Real World? Fuck no.

>Sorry to burst bubble, but ground pressure behaivor law. Unless the mech is light enough to not collapse under its weight and sink into the ground, it will not work. No weeb robots today, no sir.
The heaviest land animal living, elephant, can rise to its hind legs without collapsing or sinking into ground

Meaning at very least Power Armor are possible once the power part has been engineered

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Micro fusion is a pipe dream.

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retarded idea for a weapons system

why the flying fuck would you purposely design something with such a big flaw as legs?

>shoot the leg
>disabled

Any sort of aircraft make infinite more sense

I'm with you bro, THIS IS Jow Forums /M/ is next door that way. ---------->

why do weebs act like they lack their frontal lobes?

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War is pretty gay as is anyways

Maybe for occupation of territory, but actual combat its an assured thing

fukn gamers.....

What planet are you from anyways? Humans require massive amounts of maintenance. They need to breathe, they need to eat, they need to shit, they need to be trained, they need medical, they need morale, they need to be paid, they sometimes get maimed irreparably, and they sometimes go psycho. That's a huge amount of upkeep.

literally the only strength a mech has is being able to look over things, and possibly being able to cross through some unusually, conveniently dense woods that somehow tanks can't get through but they can.

In reality, helicopters still do the first point better, and if terrain is THAT bad you should send scouts first to find a path, and/or obliterate the obstacles in the way like we did in Vietnam via defoliants.

Humans can do that for themselves. Robots, when they break, need humans just to fix them and perform upkeep, which still leaves you with all of your first problems, plus new ones.

the reason mecha anime exists is because, at their core, japs still really REALLY love the idea of 'le elite single armored warrior being able to kill 100 foes' samurai. That's it. Dynasty Warriors style fighting + industrialization = mechs. But the reality is that even elite guys can die to stupid shit, and the core of war is that it's 85% weaponized accounting, 10% science, and 5% blowing things up with the toys your nation developed/bought and could afford to move over to the theater.

With those babys 110lbs of gear is gonna feel like 110lbs gear except youll be carrying 400lbs of gear.

Partial exoskeletons are already being tested and might be part of "ditch kit" at some point. The heavy weapon exo arm has a lot of potential. Some of this stuff will see field use, but no, we're never going to get full body exo suits. It'll be an evolution on haul systems that will help infantry haul more shit, stay fresher, and possibly navigate previously inaccessible terrain/ingress.

And the fact they really can't get over the fact they lost.

Fucking everyone loves a good hero story and to claim only the Japs are still into it is just wrong
Mecha came about in Japan because it's cool and you can make a shitload of money selling toys.

Axiom: Modern ground warfare demands low profile.
Mech: 30 feet tall.
Axiom: Thick armor required on a vehicle
Mech: Stands on two legs
Axiom: Wide tread profile needed for soft terrain
Mech: Help. Mud.
Axiom: Units need to be self-sufficient
Mech: Alpha two-niner request update on mech recovery vehicle, entire platoon has fallen and can't get up, over.

>Yfw mechs are just a cool but impractical military vision like armored zeppelins or giant tanks

>but no, we're never going to get full body exo suits

we'll have prosthetic bodies commanded by implanted brains or remote neural nets before full mechanized suits

they're spending more than a buck you retard, Boston Dynamics has the best bipedal and quadrupedal drones around, and our greatest ally Japan is doing all the heavy lifting when it comes to medical mech and every day use.

The USA is in the best mech position of any country on Earth right now. When Germany comes back around after Le Cheeto's shitposting we'll have the Krauts making parts for us too.

>BMW mechs with Jap servos and US armament

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The only way mechs make sense is low profile multileg spider/crab mechs. Gives you the advantage of crossing rocky uneven terrain, climbing mountains, but without making yourself an unbalanced high profile target. With ai controlling it, a multi leg walker would be very efficient and mobile.

>have to put mech on trailer
>haul it around to front line
>it operates for a very limited time, needs constant fuel/ammo/repair
>might as well drive a tank in
mechs arent going to just storm across open fields like in movies, tanks will

Sometimes i forget these games are about big mechs

It would also have an absolute shit storm of joints and moving parts in it's drivetrain that would be a massive pain in the ass to armor. Unless it somehow ended up with legs like that goofy little crab labor in Patlabor 2.

It's not just japs. Whites wouldn't mind injecting some knightly heroics into war. The whole 'war by the numbers', where whoever can out-zerg their opponents wins, is lame in a way, despite being the reality technology landed us in.

This isnt 1944 anymore, that problem can and has been negated and will continue to be negated until it is almost a negligable problem

It appears as if Germany is calling America-ball a drug dealer, Poland is calling him a prostitute and GB is saying something that doesn't seem to translate very well; "drops the Union," it probably means "friendship ended."

Solid fuel cells my boy

AT-ST aren't shielded, they only have armor.
You should be bitching about the magic space steel alloy that can shrug off hundreds of plasma bolts and then be crushed by some loggy boys.

Tldr: the most useful and pheasable walker/mecha/drone hybrid imo is a small circumference aerial drone body with the capability but not the soul intention of being able to land using some kind of hybrid leg system, possibly a retracting quad, useable everywhere and for its old roles

Doubters in this thread are complaining that mechs are not viable in wars against peer competitors - true, but that misses the point. Mechs are excellent for wars against low tech enemies.

You know what is also good against low tech? Pretty much everything US has right now

Power armor is going to be a thing. Once exoskeletons are available someone is going to want to throw more armor on it. It might be a novelty till the first time it's successfully used in a CQB in tight quarters like a building that's been surrounded, or room breaching so the first guy through the door doesn't get dropped without getting off a shot.
It's really not. The only reason why there hasn't been huge advances in it is because it wasn't economical. Now it is. It's only going to become a better option as time goes on too. Not quite a pipe dream.

Most realistic thing would be something like a Tachikoma for light infantry support

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You mean the ones with AT rockets, ieds, and even things like TOWs?

>stronger, faster, smarter
Not with current tech.

> It might be a novelty till the first time it's successfully used in a CQB in tight quarters like a building that's been surrounded, or room breaching so the first guy through the door doesn't get dropped without getting off a shot.

Honestly, I'd expect powered armor to start off with logistics. A kind of compact demi-forklift with the closest combat use being loader for MBTs. Tankers would love it because most tank maintenance boils down to strong backs and elbow grease.

Eventually, someone would take a partial suit with just back and legs and strap a stabilizing armature to it with a machine gun and gun shield. After that it's off to the races.

Narkoman is a drug user.

>Eventually, someone would take a partial suit with just back and legs and strap a stabilizing armature to it with a machine gun and gun shield

I always figured taking a logistical set and nigger rig it to carry an ATGM would be the obvious choice. Ease of taking it with you, less set up time because it walked in on the legs it's supposed to stand on and then I walks away all the same, so it becomes a two or even one man job to serve one with relative ease.

I crunched the math once and assuming a 200 lb carry weight you can almost have a one man mortar team with primary limitation being ammo.

Well yeah exo-skeletons would be extremely useful for that kind of work.
The thing is if you have a combatant (or a few) trapped in a spot where the military use to use flame throwers instead of sending a guy in to maybe get shot. If you can send in guys that are going to survive a claymore or handgrenade blast or multiple shots from a large caliber, the situation goes from probably losing someone outright running into it.
To not losing a man and absolutely kill or capture the target. Breaching an area like that, clearing, and apprehending would be made quicker, less dangerous, and done in a time span where stuff like battery life isn't as big of an issue.
I've worked on armored vehicles before and I really do hope exoskeletons get to be a thing for that sort of stuff. I just think it has other practical applications that can fit in tactical situations rather than a one size fits all strategy. I think a lot of the talk about extending the amount of time it's powered for usually over looks the fact the person in it likely should only be in it for a limited amount of time ideally anyway.

war is gay as fuck dude it’s men firing hot loads at other men drones will make war heterosexual

If you want powered armor using modern tech, try modifying an APC to carry them.

The APC can keep the suits charged until they're in combat and provides strategic mobility.

Tactically, you want to use them like WW1 shock troopers. Take and hold ground while the infantry regulars move in to lock it down. Very effective in the unfortunately more common urban combat.

The extra man I was thinking of was simply in terms of ergonomics and ease of loading and such.

Thing is, if you've got that sort of setup in place the obvious question is "why bother putting a person in it?"