Is .308 powerful enough for any wildlife in N.A.?

I remember that one time the Enola Gay dropped a single round of 45-70 over Hiroshima. Pretty mcuh ended the war right there.

Hes right, 30-06 is absolute minimum to kill any NA animal and anything smaller will still work but is inhumane. A .25 auto can kill a human but its still not optimal.

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30-06 is better, but .475 H&H magnum is really what you need.

>.475 H&H magnum
Sounds painful for everyone involved

.308 probably isn't sufficient for ethical kills on dangerous game in thick brush or over long ranges.

However, because of the mild recoil and short case length, it's perfectly suitable in semi-autos for self-defense. An AR-10 will still drop grizzlies and moose but it also has a use against human targets at most ranges.

>.45-70 and 10mm

get a load of this memelord

Just about everything but bears I'd say

Yes. Adequate penetration and shot placement are all that matter, and .308 is pleanty good enough in those. Some slavic guys carry tokarevs for moose/ brown bear defense because it penetrates far enough to kill them. That being said, more powerful calibers can put down the animal faster/with worse shot placement.
>.30-06
Are you some kind of faggot, boy? 45-70 is the absolute least for anything bigger than a gnat.

Just carry a .50bmg in a sled with you.

>308
>good enough
Hueh. Are you some kind of vietnamese ladyboy? 30-06 is in every way superior than .308

And if you want to shitpost .45-70 then lets. I have a guide rifle and i have a 30-06 compact carbine. Anything bigger than hog gets the Gubberment

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WIll it work? yes. Is it optimal for everything? No especially for larger stuff, plus there are plenty of better cartridges for said larger stuff like .30-06 or .375 H&H. You can kill elephants with .308 but there's a reason professional dangerous game guides tend to use big bore rifles and impose cartridge minimums like 9.3x74r or .375H&H, and it's not because they're a bunch of fudds who underestimate the power of some faggot's .308 durr rifle which is "just as good'. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should, or that because it can, it's optimal, no matter how many anecdotes someone has for it. I can use .22 for self defense, doesn't make it a fine choice for it.

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Are you completely detached from reality or just trolling?

If you're shooting bear with a .308 you're a subhuman nigger that deserves to be shot to death with a .22

Alaskan guides carry .308. it's just fine for bears, moron

Nonono , the taint. Bend the grizzly over and press the muzzle right up there, between nut and hole.

Qhat do you define by "detached by reality?" If you mean that I have grown my entire life watching how calibers perform and making a real world basis off of that and not following the mainstream opinion of people who shitpost with no actual experience, then yes, I am detached.

.308 is a very good cartridge but I would not trust my life to it to take down an Alaskan grizzly bear the size of a small late 70s ford compact. Anyone who feels they would has never been in the position of having to do so and thus brings a moot point.

The amount of people that have the audacity to sit behind a screen and act all tough shit when they probably have never killed anything larger than a cat is unreal

Please cite your evidence to this. Because all of the ones I know carry 45-70s with buffalo bore loadings or rugers chambered in 500 Alaskan. If not both. In fact, I have never met anyone from Alaska that has chosen to carry a .308.

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>citation needed
>well all the people I know...
Ya, thought so. thinking .308 is insufficient is simply being ignorant to the facts and quite frankly ignorant to ballistics and what kills. .308 will kill a bear NO PROBLEM because it'll penetrate their skull or chest NO PROBLEM. Not to mention most cartridges get harder and harder to come by as you move out of the more populated areas. The only thing I see consistently stocked is .308, 30-30, and .30-06.

I'm honestly surprised.30-06 is even made anymore considering it offers no advantages unless you're really familiar with hand loads for it.

>you saw something in real life but I saw something online and that trumps what you saw
>you may have experience with something but your wrong because someone online said otherwise
>you may have grown up knowing fellow hunters and guides but that doesnt matter because your wrong
>im trying to prove you wrong but I cant even directly cite evidence.

Wew lad. Thats Jow Forums the post right there. How about I do you a solid. I will admit your right if you can source me ONE SINGLE TRAPPER OR GUIDE in Alaska that choses .308 over any other caliber. Just one and ill admit my whole life is wrong.
But I wont have to because you wont find such a man. Such a man doesnt exist because he would have not lived very long with that fuckery.

Also
>unless you're really familiar with hand loads for it
If you arent handloading then seriously get out of here because you have nothing to offer here. Let the real men debate this and go whip up some "5.56 btfo" threads because you have no idea what is going on in here.

>thick brush
>long range
pick one, or get a new shot you idiot.

Not him but i don't think he's saying .308 won't kill a bear but there are far better choices for the job and saying "just use .308 if you don't suck at shooting, it's just as good" is kinda ignorant and a bit dangerous thinking if someone actually does this in country where you can't piss outside without a .44 or 12 gauge magnum slug.

If you lung it it will die. Provided you are hunting it. I wouldn't depend on one 308 shot if I was charged though. Then again I wouldn't depend on anything short of a 50cal for one shot killing a charging grizzly.

One 308 shot, over the span of at most a few minutes, ought to kill it.

>it also has a use against human targets
Every cartridge ever.

.45-70 is enough for any wildlife in N.A.

That make .50-110 the tsar bomba or the death star?

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>Sounds painful for everyone involved
Including the wallet.

When you carry for defense, good enough is good enough. When you go out intending to kill something as humanely as possible, good enough doesn't cut it.

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sage

I'm not following your argument. I'm in Anchorage, Alaska and I carry a .308 for wilderness hikes.

>Jeff Cooper
You probably should have thought of this before you called your whole life a lie, you imbecile. Not that I expected anything less from someone that wished they actually knew anything about the subject.
Protip: try taking an objective look at your opinions rather than just going with the mainstream

>good enough doesn't cut it
Good enough means "kills in one shot" unless you're a fucking nigger. So .308 is just fine

>for hunting purposes alot of people now a days say its inhumane
>they always want a 1 drop shot.

Does this negate "blood tracking" or whatever skill now ? Do you modern hunters think it shouldnt be bother since "humane" kills are all the current rage ?

Only literal Jews and niggers go for the kill with anything less than 20mm.

If you were walking around and got shot in a vital organ would you rather die without too much suffering in a minute tops or would you rather drag your ass around while suffocating for 10 minutes and die anyway?

One shot drop has always been ideal and I’d say .308 is capable of an OSD on an elk with the right loads.
t. 7mmRMfag

>wanting an efficient clean kill is just a fad

You also do realise there are some animals you want down in one shot not because it's the cool thing to do but because you don't want them finding what shot them...

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well when you read the older hunting books youll hear a lot of stories of guys winging game and having to track them. This is of course before scopes were really prevalent. I'm just asking if the skill of tracking is obsolete now that scopes and current day sensibilities with regards to hunting.

A long as there is a chance it might not go down in a shot I'd say no, it's still a good skill, especially if you solo hunt. Plus you might wanna learn to track in general if you wanna be able to find the damned thing to begin with. That being said if youre just rich and wanna blast some durr I'm sure you can hire a guide/tracker to do that for you but that goes with anything in life. If it's a part of your livelihood or you just wanna be a prepared hunter it's still valuable as nothing in life is certain and that includes your shots.