Could 40 Apache attack helicopters teleported to Hawaii in the morning of Dec...

If that happened then bombing of pearl harbor would never happen and war with japan would never happen and we would never get to kill Japanese and never get to make nukes just to kill more Japanese just for the sake of getting an excuse to make a nuke.

The presence of a large strike force just off Pearl would've been enough of a casus belli and the Manhattan Project was intended for Germany, not Japan. So you are good.

They don't have the range to reach the carriers and the Americans would shoot them down if they flew above Pearl Harbor.
I don't think that Apache crews have too much training to use their guns against fairly fast flying targets. The copters are also way slower on level and climbing than Zeros.
I don't get what's your point. What advantage would open field give to anybody?
>@ ~4km
Going to need a fuck long burst and tons of luck to hit a flying target from that range with that muzzle velocity.

Trying to shoot down a camouflaged helicopter in a triple canopy tropical rainforest draped over a very high relief mountain in a WW2 fighter with no other sensors than the eyeball is unsurprisingly difficult. Especially since he can protect his flanks and blast you before you even see him.

That's a shitty way to use them.
They don't need to hide to outrange the planes with stingers. It just makes them useless when they run out of missiles and could be using their guns instead.

Okay.

Yeah, modern heat seeking missiles fuck up ww2 planes.

Great thread.

it would be more funny if the Japanese teleported from 1941 to 2018, we would play with them like a cat with a wounded mouse

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the nips don't know that they'll go dry on missiles, all they'll see is a bunch of missiles dropping them like flies

kek...even the Muhreens' garbage Harriers would make short work of them.

Better yet, what if an aircraft carrier were to suddenly teleport back in time to Pearl?

It would be a waste to use them in a defensive role against fighters when they could just fly out and obliterate the Japanese carrier fleet. More losses in the harbor, but crippling the Japanese navy would save more in the long run.

would the lack of gps satellites in the 1940's sky mess with the Apaches very badly? they could still operate without them right?

>flying helicopters into a massive cloud of AA

Do Apaches even have dedicated anti-ship munitions capable of killing a carrier, or would they just be throwing out Hellfires?

The Apaches hellfires could knock out AAA from beyond the range of jap AAS. The advantage would be being able to precisely hit individual targets on a ship with hellfires.

I can imagine one hellfire would easily make its home inside the bridge of a carrier. Not to mention it would fuck up the deck just by plowing into the waiting aircraft full of fuel and munitions.

Honestly the standoff of the hellfire would be the biggest attribute. Hitting the key components of the ships and crew would be enough to cripple the fleet. Destroying the carrier decks so none of the aircraft could land would be an additional bonus too.

Google is telling me that they had AA guns with a 17,000 yard range.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_10_120_mm_AA_gun

And that's assuming they don't get rammed by a Zero.

I need you to imagine what 17000 yards looks like.

You talking a bird that can move left, right, up and down virtually instantly, with computer imaging and FLIR. Against your cannon aimed by hand with rudimentary optics. And assuming a zero can see an apache at night flying on the deck. Hell even during the day on the deck. Helicopters have a huge advantage against low flying aircraft.

The Japanese fleet didn't any sort of radar and an Apache can fire missiles from well outside of flak range, if anything they could just attack at night and the Japanese would be fucked.

Hellfires would be more than enough to penetrate and destroy a Japanese carrier, especially since a large portion of it's hull was made of wood.
Also, ventilation of the carriers below-deck hangars were so poor that the air could sometimes get thick with evaporating fuel during operations, (the reason the Soryu fucking exploded when it took a bomb to the deck), imagine a missile detonating in those conditions.

Its not like they are going super far

I can't see it working, hellfires have a 9kg HEAT warhead, they just aren't going to be that destructive against huge ships. The apaches can't climb well and their guns don't cover anything above them, you have 6 carriers worth of fighter planes, the apaches will kill a load initially but still be outnumbered, as soon as they figure out they just need to get above the apaches and dive at them it's over.

>(the reason the Soryu fucking exploded when it took a bomb to the deck), imagine a missile detonating in those conditions.
The Soryu took three 500 kg bombs which exploded in the hangars. Very different from what Jow Forums memes would have you believe.

x40 30mm explosive shells flying towards a swarm of 500 planes is bound to knock out a few. If they don't have tracers loaded then that's even better. The japs will just start dropping out of nowhere. Then they can each carry 2 stingers on the wingtips for sure. They can also carry 4 hellfire pods on the pylons or 4 rocket pods or any variation of that. So we can knock out at least 80 zeros given all the stingers on the wingtips hit.

wearethemighty. com/articles/the-apache-is-about-to-get-more-lethal-against-jets-and-helicopters

I think they will have 4x stingers on each pylon but that's just a guess. So 18 stingers per apache if that goes through. Not enough for all the planes, but damn will it be close plus the flak from the ships.

Plus they can hover way far out and can tell if you got a booger in your nose.

Hellfires into the bridge of each capital ship, followed up with a nighttime attack with guns.
That small HE isn't going to sink anything heavy, but it's going to do a lot of damage putting back the start of the attack when everything has to return for repair. May or may not get lucky and get a fuel or ammo fire.

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I wonder if a zero is slow enough for an AWPKS (laser kit on Hydra rocket) to hit it? you could then potentially run as many as 76 AWPKS if you forgo Hellfires and have the new, lengthen 19 round pods to hold them.

OP said that they'd be teleported to Hawaii, not above the Japanese fleet.
The carriers are on the very edge of Apaches range and maybe still too far during the night, so even if they find the fleet as fast as possible, they'll need to dump their load fast before they fall in to the sea. That's if they want to kill themselves.

And the first one of those bombs incinerated the entire hangar crew when it ignited fuel fumes/storage. It also shattered the pipes used for fire suppression because the Japanese built them from cast iron due to steel shortages. It might've taken 3 to sink it immediately, but the Soryu had no hope after the first explosion.

no, because it was deliberately left like that so that USA enters the war

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I wouldn't be so sure, that exact same scenario played on during the Boshin war (except with a 500 year tech gap instead of 100) and led to Imperial Japan becoming the dominant regional power that they were by WW2

No you fool.
Half of them would kill themselves when they see what Japan has turned into and the rest would get rich by selling their ships and planes.

>modern sensors
>goes straight for the carrier with hellfires
I mean, yes.

Unlikely. Japan would've fielded a single Renhai super destroyer and all of that gets blown out of the sky immediately. Oh wait, you mean only one side gets a power up and not the other side? As expected of Americans.