AR TRIGGERS - school me K

These days they're $87 and I waited maybe 6 weeks.

We can have whatever we want in Oregon thank you.

From their website
> Not for civilian sales in CA, DC, IA, NJ, NY, HI, RI, FL, MD, CT, or WA.
Who knew so many states were ran by pussies.

its helps but at the same time its easy for it to be a crutch.
if you cant shoot with milspec garbage you cant shoot.
if you can shoot with milspec garbage a better trigger will make a huge difference in how easy it is to use the gun.

Karl and Forgotten reccomended the SLT-1 single stage drop in trigger for thier WWSD project.

youtu.be/Z_yKIcxJCIw

I prefer my two stage Geissele SSA-E trigger

>Franklin Armory
I too love hammer follow, friend.

>t-they fixed it, I swear!
Any system that requires your gas and buffer to be so fucking specific is shit. At least the ECHO works with standard BCGs, any buffer, and any amount of gas.

Too bad the ECHO is made out of pot metal. I own one and good lord is the quality atrocious. I wish Geissele had the patent for it.

Triggers tend to be a crutch for bad shooting

this, it doesn't matter if you have the top notch equipement if you can't shoot for shit, train with what you have first and when you have reached a certain marksmanship level you can consider buying a geissele or Larue or timney trigger

That's like saying nice cars are a crutch for bad driving.

So bad shooters are bad shooters regardless of their triggers and good shooters can shoot well with pretty much anything that isn't actually broken?

That’s absolutely correct, most people with sports cars can’t drive for shit because they don’t have the fundamentals down.

No one should be changing triggers before they’ve mastered the stock trigger

gold is a fucking meme
buy a wilson combat one instead if you like single stage triggers

If you learn proper shooting techniques, it doesn't matter the trigger you're using.

I've never met somebody who can shoot well with a Geissele but poorly with milspec. Everybody I know can either shoot or not shoot.

The claims of triggers being a crutch are armchair generals at their finest who concoct endless scenarios on why they are superior for using objectively worse gear to justify not spending $250 on a nice trigger.

I have been around a lot of shooters, in classes, etc and have not once seen this claim substantiated. It's on the same level as most fuddlore to me.

I jist bought a geiselle B-GRF.

Pretty excited. Had a SSA-E that was pretty tits.

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>6 weeks.
Fug... I ordered mine two weeks ago and thought it would ship soon...

think about how many people love 1911s but bitch endlessly about glocks.
its those people

Probably not with AR's as much as handguns. I have a tendency to yank the trigger sometimes and with a long pull heavy trigger than it fucks up my shot placement.

I have a uberti SAA that has a 2.5 pound trigger that is absolute easy mode compared to a relatively good semi trigger like a CZ 75.

That CT part is bullshit too, I actually saw someone behind that counter at an FFL putting one in for some kid that couldn't figure it out. Opticsplanet will ship them wherever, got one coming now.

Their website is flat out wrong and their erring on the side of caution by not shipping to known cuck states. Third party sellers (opticsplanet) will ship them wherever.

You have it backwards. The (current) Echo flat out requires a full auto BCG, the Franklin works with anything but you need to have it cycling fast enough for hammer follow to not be an issue.

Norwalk checking in. Where you from famalam?

Fairfield County, no name town near Trumbull. Shits alright, too many cops around to be able to have any fun driving lately.

Great thread OP.
Anyone have one of these? Seems like a reasonable price.

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just use the spring in your pen for the trigger...works everytime

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Who has anything but a full auto carrier in this day and age? Do they even make semi-auto carriers anymore?

ok dude

It's a legitimate question. I had to specify "Colt style AR15 bolt carrier" to find a semi-auto BCG, and they were all used because not even Colt makes that style anymore.

Even skeletonized BCGs still have the proper cut to engage an auto sear/the Echo's sear.

Franklin Armory's offering is worse than the Echo in every way except price if you can't find it on sale.

maybe i'm a fucking retard then, is this full auto? What's the real tell?

wcarmory.com/toolcraft-bcg-223-5-56-bolt-carrier-group-black-1b1b6-c-158-mpi-complete.htm

I use pic related and I super highly recommend it. From a smallish shop in MN.

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>I didn't care for the Hiperfire
Which model did you get

Toolcraft carriers are full-auto, yes.

Semi-auto carriers have the notch that engages the sear on the underside of the carrier cut further back so it can't engage the auto sear. Some versions don't have a connection at all and are just milled out completely.

holy fuck i should have just ordered an echo then

24-3G
Don't get me wrong, it's a great trigger. I just prefer the JP for single stage.

>ordered my larue MBT a month ago it was "in stock"
>mfw its still backordered

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Yeah it is like that. 95% of the secondary triggers I see are being used by some guy using his 1500 AR putting moa groups on a piece of paper at 25 yards. All that extra shot can absolutely be (and often is) a substitute for solid fundamentals.

I got shipped one with a fucked up spring and they swore up and down it was suppose to be like that even after I sent them pictures.
Felt like ass after it was installed and you could feel the spring fighting against the receiver. Returned it ASAP.

ssa-e is the pinnacle

great deal! really regret not getting the one from brownells when it was 85usd. little different to get use to the single stage but its crisp. excellent reset, fraction shorter than my ssa-e. judging from reviews they aren't all dialed in 100% the same

i have that and an ssa and I really prefer the ssa

which one brochacho?
i have a g2s, ssa-e and the rise 3.5 single

>thinking MOA = 1" regardless of range

MOA groups at 25 yards would be 1/4th of an inch and are good. You aren't shooting MOA with bad fundamentals, I don't care what kind of trigger it is.

which one what, i arleady said i liked the ssa the best

>which one what
you said 'i have that and an ssa' wtf are you comparing it too?

how could it get more clear? I own both an SSA-E, and an SSA, and I prefer the SSA. It's plain English.

>I own both an SSA-E, and an SSA, and I prefer the SSA. It's plain English.
thats how you can get more clear you smarmy fuck. you listed 4 different triggers and i replied to 2 different anons

I said "that", the most recent thing you listed was an SSA-E. Words like "that" and "him" refer to the most recently mentioned "thing"

the last thing in my og post was about the rise 3.5
is this your first summer on 4ch?

Well at least you admit you fucked up.

Nothing wrong with the BFS if it runs well in your rifle, it just isn't as reliable. If you're using it as a range toy then go ham.

a decent milspec trigger is fine

all these fucking memelords compensate for their lack of shooting skills with a $200 trigger and they are still shit

the type of shooting you do with an AR doesn't warrant some 3 pound gamer trigger

Rifle is fine

Ok, Dad.

This.

Want to k ow what the best trigger is? A broken in Mil-spec.

This. I only got a good trigger from a trade. It helped me realize how bad I was and then to work on fundamentals with much easier to see results knowing it was not a rifle issue but me issue. Then had to get to work on being less bad

Ordered mine in last week of July and received them about three weeks later.

i was reading around and I'm seeing more complaints about the echo when you're explicitly looking at the latest models of each. Apparently people have had the hammers on their echos crack, or have light primer strikes every so often, or something breaks inside the drop in housing and they can't do anything about it.

I'll just stick with the franklin for now and make sure i tune the gun to cycle fast enough that follow won't ever be a problem.

I told you above I own the ECHO and it's made of fucking pot metal.

I'd never trust the thing as anything other than a range toy. I have more lowers lying around than I know what to do with, so mine is in a basic bitch Spike's lower. Still, glad you're enjoying the BFS regardless.

Pseudo giggle switch is fun regardless what anybody says or who makes it.

That’s complete nonsense. Do you think competitive shooters stick with shitty stock 6 or 7 pound triggers when they have the choice of a tuned 1.5 or 2 pound trigger with a crisp predictable break?

The Timney single stage is pretty good too.

I ordered one last week and got an email saying it was on a 2-3 week backorder. I’m not holding my breath.

Settle down you homos.

theres a difference between mastering the fundamentals then upgrading gear vs never mastering the fundamentals but never noticing cause the gear covered up those flaws.

If you don't have the fundamentals, a light, crisp trigger isn't going to mask that. I said it earlier in this thread but despite training in many classes, teaching individuals to shoot on a personal level, and just being around tons of shooter overall I've never once encountered somebody who can shoot sub-MOA with a Geissele but 2MOA with milspec. It just doesn't happen and is a fallacy.

If you don't know how to drive a stick shift, it doesn't matter if you're behind the wheel of a 1991 Honda Civic or a new production supercar, you won't be able to drive it well or at all. It's no different with guns.

i can believe it, I have a timney in my howa and it's pretty good

OR fags are always so ass blasted all the time. How does it feel to be poverty Washington?

Franklin Armory list WA as a state that they don't want to ship directly same with OR. Also aren't your liberal voter base going to vote in gun storage law and other gun control measures?

MOA means Margin of Accuracy

If its a group thats with in one inch regardless of range than its within 1 margin of accuracy.

....wut

What a well-crafted shitpost.

bait

Triggers I own:
>various milspec triggers
>ALG Defense enhanced milspec
>PSA enhanced milspec
>LaRue MBT
I also regularly shoot my friends rifle with a Geissele SSA. Without a doubt, the SSA is the best off this list, but the LaRue MBT is a very very close second, and it costs less than half. Other than that, the ALG enhanced milspec is a lot better than the PSA enhanced milspec. All of them are usable, but I have a harder time hitting at 300 yards and farther with the milspec triggers. 250 yards and in, not too bad.

I too can vouch for the Timney. Pricey though

OP here... thx doodz, ordered SSA-E

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opticsplanet.com/rise-armament-ra-240-enhanced-rifle-trigger.html

$94 Shipped with code NOTAX

Put an ALG Combat Trigger in my build.

Feels great. My only experience with AR triggers is the Colt Canada trigger and DPMS and SW MP Sport triggers.

This seems like an adequate improvement beyond what any casual shooter would need.

Smooth. Crisp.

Shoes tend to be a crutch for bad running

Rifles tend to be a crutch for bad spear-men.

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10/10
Though to be fair the toe shoes people used some interesting fairly legit studies on negative impacts of the heavily padded shoes we wear nowadays on how we walk/run to justify their shoes for hobbits.

I understand. But am I ok with a single stage trigger. My fucking worthless shooting range is 1 shot per second.
(Please no bully)
Yeah. And Texas is not based. Please stop with the lies.

Mine is one per 2. I go to desert to magdump.

just jogged for about 2 miles today in fucking tevas.

Cushion is an illusion for the mentally weak.

This. I'll admit theres nicer shit out there, but this is ahead of a stock mil spec trigger and for the price it's hard to beat

Stock triggers are fine. I do like a two stage though. I'm a fan of a little creep before the shot. I think personally it's easier to deliberately break the trigger. My AR is mil-spec, just because I don't really give a shit.

But then again I shoot a lot of double actions and I like to stage my trigger press.

Is a nice trigger on a meh AR kind of pointless?

I have an all-PSA build and I like it but I feel like it'd be putting lipstick on a pig.

The barrel is more important than a trigger could ever be for good shooting.

That being said, you you upgrade the trigger and barrel alike, you'd be in business. But, I'd only suggest you do the barrel if you're out-shooting your rifle. If you aren't to that level of skill yet, a better barrel won't help.

The accuracy I already get out of my gun is what I expect and all that I need, the trigger is just horrible and gritty. Was thinking of getting a MBT-2S since they're so cheap, but maybe just a polished mil-spec would do the job.

Stock AR triggers are fine. You have to know how to manipulate it. If you're going for accuracy you're going to be in a rested position. Utilize a loose grip, lock your trigger finger and wrist then pull straight back with your elbow. It's only when you get into fast target transitions off hand that you see a significant difference. There are downsides as well. You can break a light trigger if you sneeze. Milspec is adequate for 95% of shooters.

Get a good milspec. I don't have any experience with PSA, but I've had multiple M&P sport II's and Aero precision rifles and the trigger breaks like glass. It's heavy (as in 5-6lbs) but not gritty.

I have a LaRue MBT on my PSA build and I love it. I have two uppers, one with a red dot, and one with a scope, and it is a lot nicer for 200 yards and out. That being said, there's a lot to be said for learning to shoot on a shitty trigger.

And this is what people mean by learning the fundamentals. You'll never know how bad you're fucking up if you have an amazing trigger. It's not just a meme. You need to learn sight alignment sight picture trigger press breathing etc. If you go from a 6 pound to a 2 pound you will shoot better, but go from a 2 pound to a 6 pound and you're fucked.

well then slather it on thicc bro. the trigger pull is half of the funs and the better it feels the more funs will be had. make your lower tits then build a gucci upper in the future