PX4 Storm thread

LGS is selling a used one in basically perfect condition for $400. I think it's a beautiful gun and I'm tempted as hell... worth it lads?

They got some funky contours

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Full size, compact, subcompact? What caliber?

Yes, sleeper buy of the year or something according to /hg/

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Where does one find a cougar, they are surprisingly aesthetic but so hard to find

subcompact in 9mm
well then, i guess i need to take a closer look at it

The subcompact actually uses a different action if you’re unaware. The compact and full size use a rotating barrel while the subcompact uses a browning style tilting barrel.

I like it. It looks cyberpunk as fuck

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the Compact Carry is life

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Recent good news for the PX4

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What distance?

Fucking love mine, it's a criminally underrated gun.

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Question for K

Beretta APX or PX4 for home self defence.
I heard an istructor complaining about the "rotative system" of the px4. I don t understand shit about guns.
But the idea of having a gun failing to shoot when an intruder enters scares the shit out of me.

Sounds like the instructor is pretty dumb. The PX4 barrel rotates to lock with the slide instead of tilting. The APX uses a more common tilting barrel. Both are fine. Like I’ve said above I’ve had over 1000 rounds through my PX4 compact carry and haven’t had a single malfunction.

The PX4 is a DA/SA gun. Meaning the first trigger pull, unless you’ve manually cocked the hammer, is long and stiff because the first pull both cocks and fires the hammer. From then on the slide recoils the hammer and each subsequent trigger pull merely releases the hammer to fire. This translates into a heavy and long first trigger pull to very light and short follow ups.

The APX is a strike fired gun meaning it doesn’t have a hammer. Striker guns typically have poorer feeling triggers due to the nature of how they operate. Th APX will have the same trigger pull every time. It really boils down to preference. I suggest you find a place to rent both and try them out to see which you prefer.

For personal carry, I prefer DA/SA, but that’s me.

What? you get sights that actually co-witness or something?

That instructor, like almost all of them, is a fucktard. The Px4 is crazy reliable and very easy to shoot, don't hesitate to pick one up.
But, you know, get an AR15 for HD

after handling an APX at cabela i think I like APX's grip more than I like Px4's, have you had experience with APX and what would you prefer? Is the rotating barrel everything as claimed?

No experience with it, sorry, but it seems like you'd be served well by either one.

The Px4 has a noticeable difference in recoil from a G17, but I don't know how much of that is due to the locking mechanism.

>Hope you have more than just that though
Not them, but why?

pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?16519-The-PX4-Compact-might-be-my-DA-SA-Glock-19

Skim through that, keeping in mind it's the 3" bbl "compact" version. The PX4 is at least as reliable as any of the other name brand service pistols.

Why the fuck did they not make this and have it incompatible with beretta 92 mags? I would get one to go with my cx4 if they did.
>inb4 they make adapters for the cx4
I know but i dont want to have to swap between different magazines for no good reason

I just sold mine.

I loved the trigger, the light recoil and how it felt in my hand. I hated the slide-mounted safety with no serrations on the bottom side and which chewed up my hand at the range, and the overall cheap feeling of certain parts of the gun. Also, not really a fan of the sight picture Beretta uses. I have to use a 12 o'clock hold to hit my point of aim.

>Doesn't use combat hold
>Didn't just remove a single part to make it decocker only

I own and have shot a number of other handguns. Glocks, HKs, Sigs, S&W's, Rugers, Colts... none of them require a 12 o'clock hold. The problem is that I am left eye dominant but I shoot with my right eye to be consistent with how I shoot rifles, so I have to squint my left eye. The result of a 12 o'clock hold is that I can't see my target. If that were the only issue, then I could have worked around it, but there were other issues I had with the gun.

>just remove a single part
Removing the ball detent wouldn't change the fact that the high profile levers chew up my hand while manipulating the gun at the range.

Buying low profile levers would be a $45 + shipping expense. Buying a lower front sight post to really get the gun how I like it would probably be the same ~$50 minimum expense. The gun cost me $429 total, so that would bring the total "cost" up into Glock or HK VP9 territory. I just didn't want to sink a bunch of money into a low end pistol. The weird metal/plastic, cheap-feeling locking system that affixed the barrel to the frame (mine was a compact), the weird metal/plastic feed ramp, all the wiggle in the trigger and hammer system. I have a P30 and it's lower capacity for the size, but is better in every other way.

Pretty much this, the location of the safety means your hand gets chewed up by the fuck huge wings over time in a range sesh. Beyond that, and the 12 hold, nice shooting well built pistol with a smaller accessory market, but fuck that fucking safety

APX is a more modern design with much better (not my opinion, this is a fact) ergonomics. The trigger of the PX4 is better, but the APX trigger is very shootable too. The only negative of the rotating barrel design of the PX4 is that if you have a threaded barrel and a silencer screwed in, it is theoretically easier for the silencer to come unscrewed than with other barrel designs. Both guns are 100% reliable designs and produced with exceptional quality control.

If you are new to guns, both models will be hard for you to shoot, but the PX4 will require more training due to the fact that it has two different weight trigger pulls, as described here: >This translates into a heavy and long first trigger pull to very light and short follow ups.

That said, being new to guns, I think you'll find Berettas to be a great first gun because they control recoil very well.

>>inb4 they make adapters for the cx4
>I know but i dont want to have to swap between different magazines for no good reason
What do you mean "no good reason"? The PX4 works quite differently from the 92FS.

Does anyone know the differences between the two magazines, and why Beretta would have made the change?

Grip angle (due to design choice or constraints of the action/slide and decock lever location relative to the rest), mag release location due to the afore mentioned. Not sure exactly but the internal geometries due to design/engineering constraints are the most likely non-money related reasons.

Other than that, 92 mags are common and cheap and beretta wanted to make a buck on new mags.

>there is no reason to change the magazine except to satisfy the semitic overlords

You are wrong. It is extremely rare that a company would produce a completely new pistol design and reuse the same magazines. inb4
>Glock
Glock, as a company, only really has a single pistol design, which they re-barrel and upscale/downscale for each model, and do minor tweaks to the internals every few years.
>Beretta 92s-92f-92fs-M9A3
Again, this is the same gun, just with some upgrades. The PX4 is a totally new design, very experimental. There's no reason to be constrained by the same 40 year old magazine design.

The only examples I can really think of where a company introduced a totally new gun and kept the same magazine are the H&K USP Compact, P2000, P30 and VP, which all can be used with a P30/VP magazine. While you could argue that the P2000 is just a re-skinned USPC with a few slightly different internal parts, and the P30 is just a re-skinned, up-scaled P2000, the VP is a completely different gun design. And while you might praise H&K for sticking with the P30 magazine, a lot of people, myself included, would argue that reusing the old magazine was H&K's biggest mistake, since the P30 magazine is very size-inefficient. It might have been competitive in 2006, but today, 17-rounds is considered the bare minimum for a 9mm pistol of that size. Magazine size efficiency is consistently the biggest legitimate criticism of the VP-series.

I had the 45 version and it had exceptional recoil. The rotating barrel is awesome. Great trigger and ergonomics. I was very accurate with it. The only downside is the 10 round capacity. I would like one in 9mm

There is a recent 50K test and it went thru very good seems.

youtube.com/watch?v=thY1F6f92Xg

just gotta search, user
unless you want a stoeger cougar, which are a lot more common

Nice HS2000

I like my .45 one quite a bit. The grey on it reminds me of an old working dog's muzzle. It's oddly cozy for a polymer framed gun.
I did the decocker-only conversion, but left everything else stock.

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Sorry for being late guys, I got sick for a day, and I stayed away from the internet.

Thank you for your clarifications.
I will go with the px4 due also to its aestheticness.

Hoping that I will only use it for shooting targets at shooting range

may God bless you all.

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Enjoy it, I've never heard a bad word about it. I carry one in .40 and prefer it over all the common guns my lgs rents out, haven't found something that shoots better yet.