are sappers and enginers suited for combat?
anyone have experince with enginers and sappers
also are combat enginers and enginers different or the same
also I some times use the enginers/sappers as front line troops they tend to die easily and are shit at combat. am i a bad person for using them as front line troops?
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The concept of a combat engineer is as old as combat. Alexander the Great built a fucking causeway under fire so he could go stab some pricks on an island he didn't like. Through WW1 & 2 Combat engineers were often the guys specificially tasked with going up the nastiest fortified shit the enemy could come up with - and often had stuff like flamethrowers themselves which meant the enemy would not be kind to them.
The real world pays no heed to video game balance concerns. Combat engineers are just guys with a very speicific job to do, often involving nullifying the effects of fortification.
Russian have reintroduce combat engineers in service, or in their word "stormtrooper".
Their job is to storming heavy defensive structure. They wear full body armor and carrying ballistic shield
cos of the big helmet he looks like a child
I was a Combat Engineer. Did a lot of route clearance and a fair bit of door-kicking in Iraq.
>also are combat enginers and enginers different or the same
Combat Engineer is a specific MOS within the broader Engineering job-list.
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Sappers are generally used in frontline combat
deathcount is high under heavy fire
Literally Metal Gear Solid 2.
Yeah, combat engineers are pretty suited for combat. Honestly they probably have the most dangerous job when opening up a breach or clearing a lane from mines or IEDs.
I'm a 12A.
Sappers are more useful that standard infantry. More technique on demo and breaching. 12B are better soldiers than any 11B.
Engineers are bridgers, heavy equipment, and masonry. These soldier while in the engineer corps are more support soldiers than steely eyed killers.
And the combined arm breech has a 50% attrition rate according to doctrine so yes a Sappers wet dream is to die in the breech and then get run over by a tank.
Greetings from Knox, see you at our next fucking Frisbee meet
I'm a national guardsman. we did a movement then stormed a village this summer with a few CE. it was pushing 117 on the heat index. the CE lost 50% to heat and we lost 20% on the movement. The engineers were all a bunch of retarded niggers except their NCO, one nigger got caught in the single loop of C-wire they cut when we hit the village
While not beeing active anymore I was an EOD-Officer for 4 years.
Attached to - what you might call - combat engineer platton.
Whereas we did not recieve the amount of combat training as the normal infantry man would get, we still did all the basics and had the same mission training - involving combat within a woddded area, village and due to the nature of my division some mountain training.
Of cause that was sone all within 3 month, and regular soldiers did 6-9 month of that training plus the repitiion of that training. But as EOD we were attached to fighting plattoons we had to be at par with them - yes their was probably above ours and most of them were fitter than us but we had no problem keeping up with them.
Granted we do have engineering coprs which are not suited for combat, whos sole purpose is bridge laying or camp building, but those are just different task needed.
So in the end, they there are engineer attachment which have little to no problem keeping up with the fighting if needed, but their main role was a different one and that is what that whole thing of specialisation is about.
I was not as good in room clearing as a regular infantyman, but he was not able to keep up with my part (breaching and the exposal of any ordonance other than our own).
Little addition from my personal experiance.
Suited for combat in the end comes more down to how the person behaves under fire and stress rather than can he shoot straight.
As for your question, is an engineer soley trained for the purpose of wireing up a military base suited for combat, maybe not he might have basic combat knowlage but thats it. Are other branches suited well yes.
But that question is like asking is the normal soldier suited to lay a brige or roads. That is what we have specialisation for. I would even argue most regular soldiers are less suited for combat than paras.
I use them ? are you implying you are playing a game and makeing dedictive conclusions based upon that ?
How the fuck can an officer make so many spelling mistakes? Started drinking early?
That's not a combat engineer in the sense of a western military, that's more akin to a pioneer.
Pioneers are infantry trained to use demolition, laying minefields and basic construction, Combat Engineers build more permanent structures and conduct more specialized operations.
OP, look up Sapper School. This is the premier combat engineering school in the world. Plenty of Ranger and SF tabs show up and don't make it through. As a matter of fact, most Soldiers don't make it through period. Last class went from 60 students to 21 in the first week.
Another 12A here. Ashamed of your misspelling of "breach." You bring dishonor to the regiment.
>EOD Officer
>Room clearing ever
Hmmmm
There's variance in the Western job description for Combat Engineer also. In the US Army, we say Sapper instead of pioneer. All combat engineers are trained to do this job, but they may be assigned to a route clearance or a heavy combat engineer unit instead. Sappers are typically in APCs/utility trucks if they're mounted at all. They conduct dismounted breaches and fight as infantry.
Route clearance in conventional warfare assure mobility behind the forward edge of the battlefield area. They might get blown up a lot, but rarely take direct contact. They are directly engaged more often in counterinsurgencies, although that is still not their primary mission.
Heavy combat engineer units are in modified tanks/IFVs. They may open a breach for armored units, but will probably lack the firepower to contribute significantly to the fight.
why do they fail is it cos of mental reasons or phsycial reasons?
USMC 0351 here. Our job is somewhat similar to our Combat Engineers, enough so that the USMC has decided to get rid of our MOS.
Wait a sec, am I still b&? test
Guess not.
Couple of experiences with our combat engineers:
>be boot Assaultman on training trip to army base
>get sent to do a breaching range with engineers
>hell yeah, any day with HE is a good day
>these guys know a lot about making charges
>learn a thing or two
>they decide we're gonna be all tacticool and employ the shit we made like we're really breaching a compound
>sure, good training
>we start doing some dry runs with them
>oh god
>OH GOD
>these dudes have some garbage ass tactics
>me and my boys are still boots but we do our best to educate them in the right way
>start doing live runs
>the cringe continues
>not popping corners upon room entry
>not posting outbound security
>crossing danger areas all casual like they're not a great place to get shot
>nobody gets hurt because rangeisms but still
cont.
Another experience with engineers:
>back at Lejeune, have boots now
>me and 3 of them sent to do demo range with engineers
>get there
>bangalores
>bangalores everywhere
>holy fuck how do these guys get so much funding to have all this
>meanwhile neither me nor any of my Assaultbros have even shot a rocket in over a year
>hell, our boots left SOI without shooting the SMAW
>fucking marin corr
>anyway
>one of my boots gets handed a M240B and a shit ton of blanks last minute
>they're so fresh machinegunbros haven't gotten to teach them that shit yet
>fuck
>hurry up and show boot how to work a 240
>gun feels dirty but w/e, no time
>start bangalore drill
>pew pew pew with blanks from M4's
>I don't hear 240
>look over, boot is fucking with it
>I run over
>gun is completely fucked
>tell him to just shoot m4 for this run
>after, I took the 240 back to staging area
>the engineers platoon sergeant/CO/section commander/whatever immediately comes up and sort of kindly asks why I brought the gun back
>it's too dirty to fire, sir
anyone remotely familiar with the 240 knows how fucked it has to be to not work
>we disassemble gun together b/c I guess he didn't want to believe me
>at this point I've been in weapons platoon for like a year and a half and I've never seen a 240 this fucking filthy
>sand, grease, ect fucking everywhere
>what the fuck engineers
so in summary, USMC combat engineers are good guys, knowledgeable at what they do, but for fuck's sake keep them away from anything high speed or infantry related because they're not trained in that shit like at all. I'm kind of worried about the decision to get rid of Assaultmen and just attach out engineers because it's sure as shit going to get someone killed eventually.
>Kojima was actually training us the entire time