ITT: Why joining the military isn't beneficial to the individual and/or his/her family.
What I've heard: You sit around in a hot country, little action, pay is bad unless you're an officer, waste your youth.
Your thoughts?
Keep in mind, I'm not trying to be argumentative. This is just what a civilian in the US has heard.
Just pick a job that seems like it'd be good to fall back on in case something like college doesn't work out. Driving tanks or infantry doesn't really help unless you want to be a cop.
I'm leaving for the military in a week for Air Traffic Control.
OP you sound like you're describing the combat arms trades, which can be worse.
You might not even wind up going anywhere worthwhile, instead you go to Latvia, realize your nations core of young officers are completely retarded and if you had to fight an actual nations military you'd be so fucked that you can't wait to leave.
That, or you go absolutely nowhere, stay on a shitty base where you drink and try to not get a dependa pregnant for however long you're there. I know several people who spent months just sitting around until they got sent home outside of some annual training exercises.
But maybe non-combatant roles are better, clerks especially have to do something right?
Joining the US military or joining any military in general?
Why not both? As the little Mexican girl says.
>ITT: Why joining the military isn't beneficial to the individual and/or his/her family.
>join army at 18
>surrounded by fucking idiots/scum of society
>get ordered around by sadistic retards who hate you because you're smarter at 18 than they will ever be
>get out at 23, start college
>realize that my college would have basically been paid for anyway, because math major
>now 4 years behind your peers
>"but being a vet helps you with jerbs user"
>only jobs that care about that are things I would never want to do/and am already overqualified for (cop, fire, etc)
>finally get hired at dream job working for def contractor
>go out with colleagues for a beer after work
>they find out you were in the military
>"but why user?"
>still don't have good answer
My life is pretty great now, but being enlisted in the army didn't do jack shit for me. Studying hard and networking at state got me where I am now... fwiw
>now a def contractor
Seems to be like military service only yields good experience for that specific job. That being said, can you become a defcunt without prior military service??
>Seems to be like military service only yields good experience for that specific job.
>That being said, can you become a defcunt without prior military service??
I work in R&D at a def contractor with other math/engineering/aerospace type people, so it's way different than being some sort of "tom clancy/operator/fantasy" type shit. I'm sure if that is your aim being in the military is useful, but no one cares about your "operating skills" in my side of the house lol. Besides having good grades/worthwhile degree they really only cared that I interned at Oracle during my senior year.
When you kill yourself, don't use a gun.
t. Airman at a base with 2 ATC suicides in 2 years
Only real regret I've had in my 28 years on this earth is that I didn't join the military when I had the chance.
>Still don't have a good answer
Because the military, especially the US one, has done an enormously good job in infiltrating the mindset of many family, making them believe that not only is it the best option for career advancement, but the only one was well.
Most people grow up seeing the perks of being in the military and the burnouts tend to be isolated incidents. I remember when I was younger it seemed ideal to join, from the outside it seemed like a really good deal.
Then you get inside, get sent to some hellhole in the middle of nowhere, and when they spit you back out with little in the way of contacts or references and realize it was best to stay civilian side in the first place.
What's stopping you from joining now?
Ah, gotcha, haha. Makes sense.
>R&D at a def contractor with other math/engineering/aerospace type people
>so it's way different than being some sort of "tom clancy/operator/fantasy" type shit.
It's Gordon Freeman!
Here's the thing, a lot of what you said is true for the majority. It's compounded by the fact that the military attracts a certain breed of retard, who then encourage their retarded friends to be retarded. The military also attracts immature children who fall for payday loans, pyramid schemes, supplements, and all the latest trends.
If you're not literally retarded, and put some distance between the niggers and yourself you can get a pretty decent 4-8 years. Myself for instance.
>currently serving inna WA
>currently making $1000 extra a month for arabic language
>don't have debt save for modest car loan
>didn't buy three puppies
>didn't pop out two kids
>is going to college
The military is like crabs in a bucket, stay away from the mongoloids at all cost, just DO NOT associate with the niggers, rednecks, children, or women.
The risks of fucking up your knees, ankles and back is quite huge and if you get deployed there are bigger risks of getting PTSD or any other mental issues that comes with mindless fucking in shithole countries.
Same thing that stopped him from joining at 18.
I have a career trade job that at this point in my life would only get held back by joining the military.
I also have too many exposed tattoos now.
I joined on delayed entry at 17 and a month later my mom got cancer and I had to be her full time caretaker for a year, which lead me into the trade job I'm in now, had to pay for shit somehow.
I forgot to mention that in my post. Thank you for bringing that up.
>>currently serving inna WA
JBLM?
yarp
How the fuck do you handle being that close to Tacoma all the time?
I'd rather shoot my nuts off with my .30-06 than spend that much time down there.
Fuck what you heard son.
If you want adventure, go combat arms.
If you want a good resume, enlist for intel.
If you wanna be a bitch, stay civilian.
Seriously, if you've got nothing going on in life military service is a good option for getting a foot in the door for better-than-wage-slavery later. Plus you'll have fun for a few years. Yeah, you can't smoke dope or do drugs and scuzzy trashy civilian pussy will be hard to find unless you really want the bottom of the barrel offerings in military towns. But you'll get in shape and get experience. Do it faggot.
just don't join the Navy, nobody respects them
I don't go to Tacoma often, sometimes for the Bar and Arcade. You're right though, it's a shit hole. I go to Seattle for a city, and innawoods for a shooting.
>little action
that's a good thing if you want a glorified slacker job
at the end of the day its a "job"
dont listen to retarded e3s who seriously thought it was gonna be nothing but fun to join the military no matter what their MOS was
considering nobodies getting sent to Vietnam or freezing to death starved in a foxhole id say having to mop floors all the time isn't so fucking bad
>id say having to mop floors all the time isn't so fucking bad
Is that the height of your aspirations in life? You have the entirety of human knowledge at your finger tips and you were born in a solid first world country. You could literally be or do anything. ffs man
when your enlisted or even studying in college youre probably gonna have a small time job that involves cleaning shit and doing what you dont like to do
its called a JOB not a FUN
even the people doing what they love to do suffer at some point
Enjoy your endless supply of EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>when your enlisted or even studying in college youre probably gonna have a small time job that involves cleaning shit and doing what you dont like to do
When you are working part time in college you are theoretically working towards something better. When you are doing menial bullshit as a junior enlisted person you aren't working towards anything better (unless you consider ordering other people to do bullshit as an nco to be better I suppose).
>its called a JOB not a FUN
Well then you seem well suited to such a "JOB", but a lot of people aspire to have a rewarding career in life. Not everyone wants to be a mindless ant doing police calls on the side of the highway or spending Friday nights on staff duty. But hey, if you are happy spending your finite amount of time here on earth doing that then more power to you specialist.
>mindless ant doing police calls on the side of the highway or spending Friday nights on staff duty
salty-ass whiny bitch ass junior enlisted who never did anything without being pushed to do it
confirmed
>salty-ass whiny bitch ass junior enlisted who never did anything without being pushed to do it
>confirmed
Thanks for making my point lol. OP this is thread is a pretty good example of the personalities and mindsets that you will find in the military. have fun!
Honestly, I wish I had joined the military.
>26 about to be 27.
>Have Engineering degree and MBA.
>Work as a Supervisor at a chemical plant.
>Have to pretty much babysit niggers and other criminals/retards.
>Salary is only $59k with a measly 3.5% raise every year.
>Can never see the world, buy a new car or a house cuz of student loan debt.
>Still can't find a new gig despite having Management exp now.
On the other hand, everyone I know who joined the military and got out and went to college had all their shit paid for and they work super sweet/high paying jobs.
Pretty demoralizing to know that we're serving Israeli, instead of American interests, that's why I can't join.
Echo’ing the other guy:
>dont use a gun to kill yourself you fucking faggot.
It makes everything suck ass on base/in the shop, and firearms ownership is severely frowned upon because of it.
Hell, we had one guy go to a range, rent a gun, and shoot himself.
If your an Alpha, the armed forces are just an extension of High School. Drinking, brawling, physical activities, some classes, chasing women. With the added benefit of blowing stuff up.
The downside is getting blown up and an almost total tenure based system instead of a meritocracy.
Still 8/10, would do again.
If you are a beta or planned on getting married, it is a no go.
Waste your youth? I don't think anything could be further from the truth.
t. 34 year old boomer who joined the Air Force after his youth was already wasted being fat and lazy.
You should post more.
>t. Airman at a base with 2 ATC suicides in 2 years
Stress?
Garbage in / garbage out.
If you join up for a job with non-transferable skills or one that requires low aptitude scores to enter, be prepared to endure hardship for nothing in return. If your job has both those qualities, like many of the combat arms MOS, the only way that isn't going to suck is if you dedicate yourself to making it unsuckable. It's possible, just harder.
The military isn't just trigger-pulling though. With a requisite competency and a little effort, you can take on a support job with good technical training. It can serve as a vocational training school that pays pretty well. The average US military Jr enlisted is making at least 75-100% of their counterparts in the civilian sector when matched with similar experience levels. Not bad considering you are making $$ to train while your civilian equivalent is racking up debt just to get exposed to theory in a college classroom.
YMMV. I own two homes, no college debt or degree and make 130k/yr, thanks to a single enlistment term.
You're basically fighting for (((Zog))), while they subvert and destabilize the culture at home, with degenerate garbage.
What did you do while you were in user? How did you turn it into what you have now?
Your idea of fun and mine are not the same
I went Air Force. That was probably my first smart move, to be frank.
AFSC at the time was 3C0x1, which is now broken out into a bunch of jobs with Cyber in it I think. It's IT, with very direct job transferrable skills. Computers were an interest prior to enlisting, I just took it on and trained and learned as my job required. When my enlistment was up, I knew I had 5 years work experience and peers of the same age we're just getting out of college at that point. I had a massive advantage over my peers who would struggle to get a 12$/hr help desk job while I already had experience managing large Enterprise networks. Having those line items on my CV, no one even noticed I skipped the education section completely on my resume. No degree, not even industry certificates.
Top talent tends to make their way up naturally, like any job. But to get your foot in the door, you just need to be able to score better than 60 on the ASVAB. It's that easy.
Why are you worked up about this still? Just embrace the chaos, the last time I cared about israel was when I thought nazis were right.
Thanks. I got a 98 on the ASVAB and swore in as RF trans not too long ago. I have a few industry certs already but I'm hoping to get a few more and renew the ones I already have during/after tech school, then finish my degree. I'm guard so swinging the actual work experience on a resume might be tricky, but I'll try.
ATCs even in the civilian world have a staggeringly high rate of suicide. Who knew that having to do completely mind-numbing shit for the rest of your life makes you want to exit.
Mind numbing, but catastrophic if they make a simple mistake.
>Army
Boredom and nihilism
>Marines
Boredom, nihilism and venereal disease
>Navy
Boredom, nihilism, venereal disease and you may end up sucking a dick
>Airforce
You might - scratch that- you will get fat
>USCG
Dunno, seems pretty comfy desu
Always wanted to join, went to a recruiter's office to check what I could do. The guy had commemorative plates from his previous jobs. Both in Spec Ops.... Wanted me to join asap, but refused, I was just starting my degree. So he talked me into joining a reservist's unit. When I was done with the degree I had seen enough to know I did not want to join active duty. But I was still interested in working with the army. Talked again with the old recruiter, he was back in high speed shit. Told me I had the profile to join his unit. Applied. Got accepted. Now i'm reservist in SF unit, I work on my field, I'll be done with a PhD soon and I can both master the military and industrial world. More than that, I get projects from the military, to the industry. Pretty happy with my choices.
Isn't the USCG actually the most professional of all branches with only very little bullshit compared to the other branches?
Deployments are kinda far and few between in 2018. Other than the marines, every other branch is kinda you get out what you put into it. Want to shoot blow shit up for 4 years? Go Army Infantry or something. Want to learn a trade, then fair enough. Want to do something fun and then go do 4 years at a university on the gov's dime? Want to do 20 in the CG and retire? Seriously the military isn't the answer for everyone, but there's way worse options out there. I for one am joining not because of college, but because I've never really had a real job and I don't want to live at home for the rest of my life.
Yes. CG is best branch, especially during a time of peace.
>only very little bullshit compared to the other branches
The coasties around here seem to be boring. There’s probably a correlation.
>realize that my college would have basically been paid for anyway, because math major
lol nice try
>Most professional
Not professionals at killing
I’m 29 and got nothing real going on job wise. Reserves a good idea if I wanna do something new without completely putting my life on hold?
Join the Guard
No it isn't people usually kill themselves because they have shit going on in their personal lives
>lol nice try
Believe what you want. I went to Mines in Colorado. Between the COF, Federal Grants, and Mines Assist it would have cost me a whopping $5500/year (which you can easily pay off by waiting tables/bar backing/etc) without my GI bill. College doesn't have to be expensive.
>Why are you worked up about this still?
Because I'm not a defeatist, helpless faggot like you?
Do you enjoy:
>personal freedom
>employing all of the rights of a US citizen
>not having your body break down decades early
>not suffering mental strain from over work
>not dealing with rules made by retards
>not being surrounded by those retards 24/7
>making a decent amount of money
>being able to quit your job without getting thrown in jail
>being able to have a stable romantic relationship without getting cucked
If you answered yes to one or more of these questions, consider not joining the military.
Most people don't understand that because most people get degrees in business or social science. And no one wants to pay the sub-par idiots to get oversatured degrees that aren't worth the paper they're written on.