New British Supercarrier arrives at Mayport Naval Station, Florida

Big butt as well.

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>Supercarrier

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THIC

>Supercarrier
"Super"

china's carriers are more impressive and numerous.

0.01 human rights abuse has been deposited in your weibalibabanaman square account.

She's 72000 tons and just short of a Nimitz, keep in mind USS John F. Kennedy was also referred to as a super.

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china has CATOBAR ready and has better radar with superior aircraft. this is simple fact. their ship building industry gives them the capability to mass produce quality ships not even seen by the US. china is the new naval power.

not impressive. china has greater tonnage and a bigger fleet. plus china's ships have better armaments.

>taking the bait

BOI SHE

T H I C C

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IMPRESSIVE

Why the fuck is this catapult lacking ugly hunk of shit being touted as a supercarrier? This is just as sad as the russians parading their shit hulk around.

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superior chinese type 51 can sink it with hypersonics as target practice and the RN could do nothing about it.

Tluly implessive

nice get

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>there has never been two Navies that work as closely and seamlessly as the USN and RN in training, procurement, and doctrine intergration.
>this is somehow a bad thing on Jow Forums

How is the Lizzy also not a super carrier?

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china has superior carriers with far better crew training. you can see this in the number of exercises they do and how rigorous they are trained. PLAN also has far better armaments and can sink western ships like nothing.

Twin towers in America near the anniversary....

Are you even trying?

Also someone define the term Super Carrier to me

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No idea, this is pretty major though.

I can't recall last time a British carrier went to America.

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>this may be the first time an allied Carrier Strike Group has made a series of port visits to the United States.
>this is actually a huge deal
>lol a fucken ramp xd

Sad what Jow Forums has become.

Super Carrier

>a large ship built for launching planes that has catapults and isn't a giant limey pile of shit.

112

I feel yah

Sortie generation is more important than CATOBAR or STOVL, and the Lizzy has an extremely similar sortie generation rate to a Nimitz.
Why does CATOBAR matter so much? Do you have any idea how expensive CATOBAR carriers are to build, operate, and maintain?
Also, how is it a pile of shit.

>this is somehow a bad thing on Jow Forums
There are two camps of haters imo; people that are butthurt that the RN isn't as big as the USN or Admiral King types that are triggered by the mere existence of the RN.

>How is the Lizzy also not a super carrier?
People usually trot out that she's not nuclear, has no catapult and will only have 24 fixed wing aircraft, all of which are multirole. Ignoring that the only thing the catapult gives is the ability to launch E2D and a longer range for F35s (because they'd be C, not B). The lack of a nuke plant as well means slightly lower top speed and a larger logistical footprint for the RFA to take care of at the benefit of significantly reduced initial procurement cost. They chose the cheaper option for both of these because the RN decided two diesel STOVL carriers was better operationally than one CATOBAR nuke carrier, likely in no small part because of how much of a mare the French have had with the Charles de Gaulle.

Most of the 'deficiencies' are easy to work around as well - the helicopter AWACS actually has an advantage in that it can replenish at the screens and there can be a lot more in the air at once than an E2D

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>diesel
Well, gas turnbine and diesel.

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A supercarrier is an aircraft carrier that's really, really heavy. The designation is based on tons of displacement.

>Hurr too cheap to properly launch planes so we Evel Knievel that shit and hope for the best

Maybe if they didn't spend all their money on bins to turn in forks and spoons, England would be able to afford a real carrier.

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youtube.com/watch?v=flvQ9FmD6dg

USN and RN work pretty close together, here's the CNO and First Sealord speaking together.

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Here we see the 2nd type of hater in his natural habitat. The obsessed Jow Forumstard so incensed by the mention of Britain that he can't help but bring the full force of his considerable autistic mass to bear against his keyboard in an attempt to derail the thread. Not today my slimy 'friend', not today.

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wow china seems really on edge lately

>>Jow Forums

Or, maybe, and just hear me out, multiple 75,000+ ton, nuclear powered, catobar equipped CVNs with a proper CAW and escorts to match just MAY be too expensive for every other Navy save the USN?
Nah its cause Britbongistan is epic style cucked xd

Are you memeing or is that your actual argument?
Do you actually think that something like pic related is easily obtainable to most 1st world nations? Are you even aware that the USNs budget is literally bigger than the UKs ENTIRE defense expenditure?
Why is it so hard for you Jow Forums tards to grasp that CVNs are simply just not sustainable for navies that aren't the USN? Why does that make you guys so angry?
Great video, ita heartwarming seeing how banterish they are with eachother.

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militarytimes.com/off-duty/military-culture/2018/08/20/commence-jealousy-the-royal-navy-just-opened-a-pub-on-its-prized-new-carrier/

>The future flagship of the Royal Navy, the 65,000-ton[nnes] aircraft carrier HMS Queen Elizabeth, isn’t scheduled to complete its first real deployment until 2021, but that hasn’t kept the Brits from ensuring one morale-boosting element is installed and ready for duty.

>A new pub, known as the Queen’s Head, was christened last week aboard the Queen Elizabeth and will be available to officers and senior enlisted during the ship’s maiden transit of the Atlantic, a journey that began Aug. 18 and one that features two embarked U.S. F-35B Lightning II aircraft from Naval Air Station Patuxent River, Maryland.

>The Wiltshire-based Wadworth brewery, which created an ale specifically for the ship’s December 2017 commissioning — a beverage appropriately named “Carrier Ale” — was instrumental in bringing the pub to life.

>“It has been a long time in the planning, well before the carrier was commissioned last year," brewery CEO Chris Welham said in a Wadworth press release. "The Mess looks really great and will provide a relaxing environment along with some fine beer for the team on board when they have some downtime.”

There's going to be some major jealousy given USN ships are dry...

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>expecting any value to come from threads on Jow Forums
Fuck, the current state even has me longing for the return of BBfag and Armatard
The /pfg/ threads were a breath of fresh air while it lasted, now that Dragon's threads have stopped as well

Aren't ramps a liability, when it comes to weight of ordnance?
Iirc sea migs and sukhois carry fuck all when launching from admiral kuznetsov.

Hey PFG!

whats a good book to read about modern naval warfare?

No, ramps aren't a liability. Not only do they improve aircraft performance, but they make STOVL/VTOL operations safer by given jets a higher clearance from the waterline.
Not PFGGuy, but 'You Cannot Surge Trust' is a good one.

>I can't recall last time a British carrier went to America.

ATW, HMS Ark Royal (1955-79) visited Florida in 1978.

So aircraft launched from ramp may carry maximum combat load?

The russian planes werent exactly designed with carrier ops in mind. I dont have numbers but i imagine the fact that QE has been designed from the ground up for the F35B (with a long deck) means that the RN had a high minimum combat radius and payload in mind.

Cheers!

With conventional aircraft yes, hence why the F-35B on the Lizzy will be so capable. 24 aircraft that will constitute the fixed wing part of the Lizzys CAW will have a sortie generation rate that will make it comparable to 34sh+ a CATOBAR capable CAW
As in. 24 35Bs will be able to have almost the same precense and persistence as 48 super hornets, which is the amount of bugs that are on a Nimitz or Ford.
What said, You Cannot Surge Trust, abeit dry, is good at explaining how taskforces handle blockade runners and enforcing embargoes.
Fighters Over the Fleet is next on my list. Discusses carrier based aviation from the 30s-late 80s. Having a lot of difficultly finding about martine strategy books in the 21st century
Here's the author giving a brief lecture on it
>youtu.be/pyQZvg5ddYs

>supercarrier
IMPRESSIVE

harrier replaced by f35b should improve ramp carriers greatly

the biggest weakness I see is f35b shorter range than f35c. can air refueling drones be launched from a ramp carrier? or could such drones be developed?

I actually worked on this ship, and I love Space Invader arse end.

thanks!

It depends on the aircraft and carrier, but in general terms yes. The British specifications for F-35B operations are actually higher than the USMC, so the Royal Navy has optimized the design around it.
Here's a source,
ukdefencejournal.org.uk/queen-elizabeth-class-aircraft-carrier-guide/

I'd need to reach back into the archive to grab earlier documents/articles if you want the heavyweight stuff like user requirements.

Aye, sadly you need to give up some range as a trade-off for STOVL operations, however, that's fine if you can make adjustments around the way you operate.

Yes, it is quite possible. The deck is big enough that you setup a temporary launcher/recovery system. The captain himself said he expects drones to be operating off the QECs in the future.

Job well done indeed.

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>proper boozer on board
*Heart of Oak plays faintly in the distance*

Had the pleasure of singing that at Dartmouth.

just false flag posters.

This is a pretty good lecture, thanks.

I'd put a Jew in that oven.

really good shit in the CNO's reading list.

forgot link:
navy.mil/ah_online/CNO-ReadingProgram/navalpower.html

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Thanks that's a good list.

CdG is fundamentally flawed in design with regard to launch and recovery. CdG can only launch or land, not both at the same time.

Oppenheimer is gone, Dragon is gone, PFG guy is gone, Jow Forums has lost the magic

Stop worshipping retarded tripshits, faggot.

>vatnik detected

That doesn't even make sense.

>The captain himself said he expects drones to be operating off the QECs in the future.
MQ-25's maybe?

Possibly, but I don't see MQ-25 likely. Something a bit more low key, like Watchkeeper WK450-esque.

A single thread made by any one of those tripfags has provided more value to Jow Forums than a thousand threads created by one of you underage memespewing niggers.

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You have no idea whether that's true, and that's the entire point of the site.

>will be available to officers and senior enlisted
Not jelly at all. Like Id want to drink around a bunch of dickheads.

quantum stealth carriers made from the finest lead

Is a good thing that the UK is turning its navy to shit since in the near future that will belong to mudshit ragheads.

Maybe a navalized Taranis?

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I know it's just a demonstrator, but it's supposed to be the prototype for a program...

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Might be neat

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>tfw no unholy abortion of a YF-23, F-16, and ASF-X Shinden

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what the fuck is that tower

;_; it was so close bros

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>Trimaran carrier
I guess it makes sense, and it's not like carriers are narrow to begin with...may as well add a little beam and a whole lot of stability, plus a giant hangar.

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Staircase

this is some bad quality bait
you ex soviet kiev class is a joke Jow Forums naval threads is only for countries that can design and build their own stuff

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that doesnt bring up anything

>a fucking ramp

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"Spinnaker Tower."

Its a public viewing tower on the redeveloped centre of Portsmouth Harbour (Portsmouth Naval base being the QE's home port), about 250m from HMS Warrior, 500m from HMS Victory, and about 650m away from the Mary Rose. That whole area is steeped in maritime history.

As for its shape, its designed to echo the shape of a sail in the wind.

based

>She's 72000 tons
And has the capabilities of a 45,000-ton America-class LHA. Congratulations on being inept, bongshits.

I M P R E S S I V E

>And has the capabilities of a 45,000-ton America-class LHA. Congratulations on being inept, bongshits.
Except that's remotely not true? Like, compare the sortie rates for one.

>Except that's remotely not true? Like, compare the sortie rates for one.
You can't have sortie rates if you don't have planes.

Right, but that's not a problem for the QE given the UK has taken delivery of 14 of 138 F-35s so far.

GEE BILL TWO ISLANDS?

Yes timmy.

one for the bridge, one dedicated to air control. Both serving as exhausts for the two sets of turbines.

more efficient than one single long tower, especially for non-nuclear engines. It'll probably be seen on more designs in coming decades.