What's stopping someone from making a commercially available short barrel break open shotgun...

What's stopping someone from making a commercially available short barrel break open shotgun? Is there a clear legal difference between this and a shockwave?

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there is none, there's most likely no market interest. Though if they made it in black powder they may be able to make it shorter than 26 inches overall

I want one so I can be like a mini doomguy.

To meet the same requirements, IE overall length of over 26", the barrel would be about 20" long.
That is to say, not sawn off at all.

You can make an AOW like this. The thing is that people like SBS/SBR more than AOW.

Which really, if people want to make the NFA list normative, where it is no longer a big deal, the AOW are a much better way in. Yeah, somebody has to eat the 200$ production task. BUT. After that, the transfer tax is piddling. If you made a big enough population of these guns, more people would do it. And once you're on the list, well, I might as well get a suppressor...

SOTs don't pay the 200.

All you need to do is to cut straight "rifling" into the barrel. 1 in infinity twist rate micro groove rifling turns an AOW into a pistol

Isn't straight cut rifling not considered 'rifling' by the atf? Isnt that how franklin did their whole meme gun that was like 4-5 moa?

And then suddenly you have a pistol with a bore over .50" creating a DD. Good job.

Yup. Thats exactly what im saying. Make a six inch shotgun with straight cut, microgroove rifling. You now have a 12 gauge """"pistol""""

My understanding is the stamp for producing an AOW costs 200. If AOWs were just a 5 dollar transfer, and nobody had to pay the production stamp, they'd be everywhere.

12 gauge is exempted from being a DD unles the atf decides to call it one arbitrarily, the inverse od typical large bore calibers. Please try to keep up.

For an individual or trust, yes. 07/02 or whatever the fuck it is FFLs don't pay per item.
They're not everywhere because no one wants them. The main concern with NFA is the wait times and paperwork, not saving a meager $195.

Ah, yes, you're right. That's why all those rifled 12ga pistols exist.

Oh wait. It doesn't work that way.

a 12 gauge SHOTGUN is exempted. You're right the ATF does some grade A double think to allow rifled 12 gauge shotgun barrels, but they'd label your straight rifled 12 gauge handgun a DD. And the fact that you're right, they're hypocritical won't be worth a tinker's damn.

Then explain to me why the shockwave isnt a DD, jackass.

It breaks open, so it's scary!!!

No, your missing the point, to be a pistol it has to have rifling, straght cut doesn't qualify for that according to the atf, so it would still be a 'firearm' not a pistol

It DOES qualify as rifling per the atf.

Nobody wants a lupera for 205 bucks?

I find this loophole fascinating but I'm deeply suspicious. No offense to you user, it's just when there is a loophole not being used there's usually a reason.

It isn't a shotgun and thus not an SBS because it doesn't have a stock. It isn't a pistol and thus not a DD because its smoothbore. It isn't an AOW because it's over 26" in length. Leaving it as just a firearm.

Guess what happens when you remove any of those things? Try and keep up :^)

It's a smooth bore you fucking sperg

Because you didn't seem to read my first post thetruthaboutguns.com/2018/01/chris-heuss/franklin-armory-straight-shooter-design-details-confirmed/
This is how franklin armory got their meme reformation gun to have an 11.5 in barrel and throw a stock on it without filing a stamp for it, the atf DOESN'T count straight cut rifling as 'rifling' so that shotgun would not get classified as a pistol

Nigger, DD isnt reserved for only pistols. How retarded are you?
Rifling has nothing to do with whether or not something is a DD. Are you telling me "smooth bore" hand grenades wouldnt be a destructive device? Are you actually retarded?

They'd start at 500 before the stamp. At that point any same person would just get an optional stock.

Alright, you are retarded enough that I actually went and got the word for word for your faggot ass:
>26 U.S.C. § 5845(f). The definition reads as follows:
>(2) Any weapon by whatever name known which will, or which may be readily converted to, expel a projectile by the action of an explosive or other propellant, the barrel or barrels of which have a bore of more than one-half inch in diameter (.50 inches or 12.7 mm), >except a shotgun or shotgun shell

>except shotgun or shotgun shell
> or shotgun shell
>shotgun shell

Now fuck off back to being the epitome of the mongoloids

You are not the first person to come here spouting nonsense thinking they found this super secret loophole. You will not be the last. You've been told why you're incorrect, be an adult about it.

Old double action shotgun = 200
transfer tax = 5
hell you could throw in 100 dollars profit and it'd still be reasonable.

Find me one sxs for 200. Let alone a steady stream of them.

There's like 9 at the shop where I work. Or there were, anyway, until they got bought up. Now there's a consistent trickle. Often 200.

Seen an SxS for about 200 at every gun show I've ever been to. But as for a steady stream, you're right.

But even if you were making them, you'd get the really expensive part which is making sure the barrels are perfectly in tune at range.

you'd get to skip*

Here's the fun part. If it started life with a stock, it can't be an AOW.

thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/11/11/pedersoli-howdah-45410-double-barrel-pistol/
Only thing I’ve seen on the market. Shotguns when shortened with no stock are always memes.

Almost all break actions that are cheap enough to actually sell in this config would be imported (aka stoeger) but I'm not sure if this would be importable or not

Nothing can stop us kommandos from making our own guns.
Except if we are distracted by anime tiddies.

What about a black powder shotgun of those proportions?

>other boot falls
I knew there had to be a catch.

>make PGO AOW shotgun with slightly rifled barrel
>market it as a PDW against large animals such as bears for the >.5 inch bore sporting exception
Now you have a tax free shorty.

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BP can be whatever the truck you want

You mean like this?
youtube.com/watch?v=JH3HTuDgjSs

>What is a Harrington and Richards Snake Charmer?

Shoulder stock is for show...

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A smooth bore pistol is considered an AOW. That's why the judge has rifling and can't go above .410.

The only thing that keeps the shockwave alive is the style of grip and the oal. It's an idea that's been floated for years until a big company finally gambled on it. Very unique situation.

Grip style is completely and utterly irrelevant. It's only as it is because its longer than a pistol grip and just barely meets the OAL req.