Do you have your Zip 22 yet Jow Forums?

>polymer bolt
So 3D printed automatics do have a chance

That is what the Austins have been saying for years.

They went out of business last year, didn't they?

The Calico actually works, if you're willing to read the manual and in the case of issues, do some very basic problem solving.
It also looks badass.

Go watch Total Recall, zoomer.

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They don't, the fucking thing barely works at all on average.
A plastic bolt I think must be the least thought out idea for a firearm I've ever heard.

There's far more wrong with it than just the springs. The stiff-ass springs if anything are necessary because the bolt is a flimsy little block of plastic, with barely any length to travel, and you have to do SOMETHING to counteract it.

You watch youtube. Congratulations.

i always thought these were just tiny 10/22's and that this was made just to fill the owner of the companys obessiln with some 10/22 mod that he could not make with a regular one or a charger so he fucking made this

>blowback design
>fuxking springs, making it hard to cock

I honestly believe that this thing could have worked if
>middle finger trigger
>zamak bolt
>extractor
>remove 1/4" off the back of the bolt for over-travel

>charging handle at the muzzle

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Well, it's a .22, so it's more like a small hole in your hand. It'd fucking hurt for sure though.
I think someone DID shoot themselves in the finger with one of these.

you could be using a caliber that would do that to your hand.

Oh yeah and
>AR style charging handle
>stronger striker spring
>larger striker face

The bolt is already like 1/8" thick?

The bolt isn't that thin. It's pretty cube-shaped. Replacing the polymer retardation with pot metal would increase the weight substantially even if you make it a bit shorter while doing so and greatly increase reliability.

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If you wanted to be the ultimate jew without being a retard (like the owner did and was), you could have made it with polymer and embedded lead weights in it.

Actually it would have actually been a million times better if he'd gone with a telescoping polymer bolt, relocate it to take out some of the ridiculous bulk at the back, and then replace the charging "handle" with a notch cut into the bolt at the firing port like the M3A1.
A lead weight in it would have done a lot for it too.

Or just cast that shit out of zinc/zamak; it'd still be cheap to produce, and it wouldn't be a death trap.

Wow, you just straight up posted the title of the latest forgotten weapons vid like it was a talking point.

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Look at any time in the archives when someone brings up the Zip22 in the past 18 months, and frequently people will bring up that exquisite cowboy guns died for that plastic death trap, it's a common factoid that gets mentioned when the fucker is brought up.

Ian just told the story to more people, and directly showcased some of its more alarming qualities and design decisions, giving people a good idea on why this idea wasn't good.

Actually, yes.
It's garbage and I love it.

Honestly a cheap pistol that takes 10/22 magazines is a pretty good idea. If they had an actual pistol grip, a metal bolt, and a non retarded charging handle I could see them selling well.

Fun fact those things did not work because people used ammunition with insufficient powder load

I watched it in theaters xoomer
>”x is great only if you do y”
Nobody says this about good things
Enjoy the future forgotten weapons episode where Ian shits all over it for being a a shitty precursor to the p90

I unironically want to get one of these working, but you would need to commission a metal bolt with an extractor from a gunsmith for that to happen. Not actually worth it but my inner autist is scraping away at my common sense. Soon...

All you really need to do is drop some weight into the already existing buffer. Since it's polymer, just drill out a cavity and fill it with lead or steel.

Doesn't particularly need an extractor.

Isn't the polymer not structurally the best for that kind of treatment? Also, the addition of an extractor is mandatory, necessitating a sturdier material.

I never said it was great, just that one idiot on YouTube crying because he tried nothing and is all out of ideas, isn't indicative of its quality and performance. There's people who have flawless experiences with theirs.

>saw it in theaters
The remake doesn't count.

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Holy fuck, that came out yesterday? I thought this was one of the older 2014 videos. Weird. This gun would have been so cool if they hadn't cut so many corners and priced it moderately higher.

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I am getting one if not two of those solely because of Code Veronica

I'd expect the bolt to just bust if you did stuff like that.
Really, just cast a bolt out of Zamak, or even Steel, and you're halfway there.

You're probably thinking of MattV2099's series of videos from 2013?
Talking of which:
youtube.com/watch?v=hFepGqERdY0
youtube.com/watch?v=HePqZGfVqRI

*BEEP* motherfucker!

Nah, I just thought it was one of Ian's older videos, since the gun's from 2013, and he has a load of videos I haven't seen yet.

He could have and should have made a literal polymer TEC-22 (TEC-9) style clone, he clearly had the capacity to greatly improve the design, make it sleeker/smaller

>Blocky polymer reciever instead of stamped metal tube, a design with the back of the reciever cut higher so the pistol grip sits higher instead of the TEC's primitive tube on lower reciever design with a proper pistol grip
>Lower bore axis now possible
>Space for rails
>Still small enough for your meme Underbarrel .22lr
>Still small enough for your Survival stock idea
>Zamak bolt
>Actually fucking runs
>Still smaller than a MAC-9
>Brace options available

Why is it so fucking hard.

Masterpiece Arms can make a successful modernized, reimagined MAC clone, what the fuck was stopping them?

MAC-11*

I wonder if that's MattV2099 who sent Ian the Zip? He did mention a Matt.

I can see where you're going with it.
The Tec-22 I think is a viable idea for a pistol, still. You can make them run better with CCI Stingers and better magazines like Ruger BX25s and Butler Creek Steel Lips, but there's a few things which could be ironed out.

One could likely make a gun like this, which works fine, and then advertise a gadget for it to attach the thing onto rails, like the Zip-22, for the very few people who want something like that, then the pistol is otherwise just fine for everyone else.

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i wish the bottom rail was longer so i could mount another zip 22 to it

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For some reason this has made me laugh really hard. I don't know, the speed at which the round gets shoved up is hilarious.

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you could always mount it to the top

Don't let your dreams be dreams comrad.

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Heres an idea. Lets make F to F rail adapters so you could mount anything with a rail to anything else with a rail. Technically you can mount a pistol to a pistol since your not adding a stock to a pistol. So my test idea is a sig brace ar with a 44 mag revolver below acting as a grip and gun.

You could always have a much larger bolt with a hollow center that you put a block of metal inside to increase the bolt mass. This makes it so you can print most of the bolt. Of course, that might make it flimsy since its not all one piece, but if you kept to shooting .22 it might be fine.

I'd love to see a 3d printed .22 rifle.

Looks like there's space up front for a VFG

Wasn't there also a big problem with people not properly winding the spring on the helical magazine?

Liberator or Zip 22?

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get a rail extension.

Yes. They're essentially like drum magazines, and they need to be wound the appropriate number of times for a full load, which the manual tells you explicitly, different amounts of winding for different capacities and calibers.

yeah sure

*performing sutures*

My brother looked at it and went "What is that, some kind of Vape?"

Your brother might be a homosexual.

When I first saw it, I thought it was a stamped steel .22lr palm pistol. I think that would've been a better concept than the actual brick sized polymer monstrosity it actually was.

Yeah, they require a hot +p load but work flawlessly with the right ammo.

You know, having your dog put down doesn't require getting your kids flashbanged. You can just take it to a vet.

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Convince me not to get one of these.

Gun jizzus reviewed them and said they are retarded as fuck.

Those adapters have existed for decades.

3D printed parts tend to be weak in general because they are not solid pieces. They're made from a thin extrusion of plastic that's zig-zagged back and forth. They contain tiny gaps and holes.

That said, one could easily injection-mold a solid bolt with a hole in it. Or drill a hole in an existing sold bolt and epoxy in a piece of lead (or whatever). It could even be filled with metal from the factory, the same way that screw inserts are molded in place.

Do I get to wear a glove? Liberator. No glove? Zip.

liberator
>is (crudely) made of metal
>has an actual handle
>doesn't require you to stick your finger in front of the barrel to charge it
>has historical curiosity value
>is literally meant to be thrown away after you shove it into someone's back, pull the trigger, and jack a better weapon
>okay yeah you can't really reload it without a manual and a wooden dowel but you're not really supposed to

zip
>plastic bolt
>what is a handle
>what is gun safety
>built to be a cheap gun and it shows
>you can mount it under an AR barrel for maximum tacticool
>you can reload it, but why would you

the only upside of the zip is that you don't need to poke it with a stick to reload it.

bayonet next

my.mixtape.moe/nbbvnl.webm

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>Why use a duty round, when less force will do?
Is the manual advocating the use of a .22LR pistol as a non-lethal option?

There's a lot of legal, practical, and moral problems with that idea.

>There are many scenarios where having ZiPSBR™ along for the mission means operational success.

The fuck did I just read?
Were/are they serious?

Fuck off op

I still want an old Liberator just for the curio aspect of it.

I like how it ends with "What's your mission?" as if even the manual is wondering what the fuck anyone could possibly use this shitty gun for.