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Levi Young
Aaron Flores
Elcan a shit
Robert Gomez
I bet you're the guy with an rmr on his acog
Gabriel Morales
Wrong dude, meant for
Henry Howard
I dont buy acogs
Jack Gray
as if there is only one
Brayden Price
But do you buy Docters?
Jack Cooper
Wgws only wants a bright reticle, he doesn't care about bright image around it.
Dylan Bennett
Despite the autistic amounts of time and planning wuggy puts into his firearms, I can't understand why he continually makes poor decisions. Eclans are pigfat, have external adjustments, and have an unacceptable POI shift when switching between low and high power. They're outdated by modern lpvo like the k16i that do everything better for less. Even the glass quality on elcans is subpar.
Gabriel Long
>window cuts
Please kys
Evan Long
Nah.
I buy RMRs
Nathaniel Watson
>cuts
Ethan Harris
Back to discord, cot
Jaxon Diaz
How long until the scar destroys that thing?
Logan Adams
The k16i?
Probably never
It was designed to manage a forward impulse
Caleb Smith
Any of you know where I can find panels that will fit in the square shaped slots on this mlok rail?
Benjamin Gutierrez
They have POI shift when fucking fags can't into zeroing the fucking thing on 4x not 1x. Elcans have a smaller footprint than LPVOs, and you don't "feel" the weight of them on the rifle compared to LPVO.
Elijah Mitchell
You want those open, and they were not designed to fit covers on them
Jason Miller
I mount cog on cog you poofter
Juan Allen
if the elcan wasn't shit, it would be decent
Jackson Sanders
Wait... you don’t?
Zachary Green
I understand they need to be opened for air flow, I'm really only wanting to cover the lower 4 near the mag well for grip placement.
Is there no company that makes ones to fit the square holes?
Dominic Nguyen
Purely hypothetically speaking, if I used a paperclip to replace a lost roll pin between the gas tube and gas block, would it compromise the integrity or safety of a standard AR?
Thomas Roberts
Should I wait until Black Friday to order an upper for my lower? I'm mainly looking at either a 14.5 Carbine(clone-ish build) or a Mid Length 14.5 or 16 inch upper for a Block 2 build. Brownells has the DD Mid length upper with a RIS ii for 680 but I would want to get one for around 600.
Kevin Ortiz
>POI shift
Don't forget the entire optical housing and reticle moves whenever any external pressure is applied to it or the magnification lever.
lol. I own more Elcans than anybody in this thread. I'm well aware of their capabilities and design flaws.
Benjamin Scott
>They have POI shift when fucking fags can't into zeroing the fucking thing on 4x not 1x
That's not where POI shift comes from or how the works.
>Elcans have a smaller footprint than LPVOs
Objectively wrong
>you don't "feel" the weight of them on the rifle
Verbally repeat that to yourself. Does that sound "off" in any way? I'm not even the guy you're replying to and I think you're retarded.
Christian Long
Roll pins are cheap and for sale at your lgs
Jayden Campbell
I know but this is easier.
Nathan Price
good taste
Jack Jones
Please tell you havent had children
Hunter Perez
DO IT
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Luis Gomez
>Objectively wrong
>a long thing is not longer than a short thing
KYS
>verbally repeat that to yourself.
I. Don't. Feel. The. Weight. Do you understand the concept of perception? We're not even comparing two specific optics, and I'm not trying to say the Elcan isnt heavy, but it seems that you can't grasp that weight concentration vs dispersion over a given area makes a difference to the end user of a thing. If you don't like Elcans that's fine, they have their limitations, as do LPVOs. Personally I hate LPVOs and prefer even a fixed power optic like an Acog over them.
Julian Cruz
No, and I don't intend to.
Alright.
Aiden Gray
>t. weekend dirt shooter
Blake Thomas
>Don't forget the entire optical housing and reticle moves whenever any external pressure is applied to it or the magnification lever.
How many times have you had this happen to you when shooting?
Caleb Morris
>308
>for SHTF
did you learn nothing from WW2 and Vietnam
>putting gun stickers all over your Pelican
Nathaniel Morales
>I haven't been in an accident yet so I don't bother wearing seatbelts
Eli Thompson
So the answer is zero then?
Hunter Green
Why bother with a suppressor? If you apply external pressure against it you will see it shift as well.
Bentley Hernandez
>adhom instead of a refutation
Well, now I know you're just a faggot.
Nicholas Ramirez
I can easily make it happen, hence knowing of the potential variability due to shooting conditions is something worth being cognizant of. Pretending something can't happen because it hasn't happened yet, or to you personally, isn't beneficial to anyone.
Angel Bennett
Why do Scars need AR parts to actually look decent?
Jaxson Cooper
You can just as easily drive your f150 into a highway barrier but you don't worry about that happening outside of extreme circumstances.
Blake Hall
As will pressure applied to non-free floated handguards. These are known factors. I'm simply spreading awareness that the same concern must be given to external pressures on the Elcan's optic housing. Many wouldn't think to consider the potential of that to influence their POA, as it is not a concern with most other optics.
Jacob Cruz
A more appropriate analogy would be your F-150 veering into oncoming traffic because you put a slight amount of pressure on one side of the steering wheel.
Gavin Reed
False. You can apply pressure to any scope and result in a POA shift as a result. The important preface you should include with your "dude elcan poa shift xddd" posts should include exactly how awkward your stance would have to be in order to cause a shift on the elcan. I've shot extensively with elcans off of vtac barriers, under cars and in/around buildings and never have I been in a position where I'm resting the gun on or up against the optic. The optic makes a shit tier rest and frankly it's bad form to shoot off of it. But if you want to live your life in fear that you might shift poa while firing off a bench then be my guest.
Jayden Evans
Sold the Anime DMR guys.
It is the end of an era
Eli Sanchez
RIP
make any money off it?
Jack Wright
Needs of a military and needs of one person are different. Do you have artillery support?
Ayden Foster
Why?
Adrian Peterson
>He doesn't have a series of servo controlled surplus mortars with a frequency hopping control radios being used to provide on-demand firesupport on targets identified with folding fixed wing drones that are equipped with flir
Tyler Peterson
>when the bully works
Ayden Baker
Adam Cook
>exercise 4 times a week
>Work full time 6 days a week
>Make good money for my age
>Still as depressed as I was basically living in my car for a year on no money
>mfw
Robert Butler
>Make good money for my age
Humor us. Post age and income
Jackson Long
no
im a wagie anyway
Ryan Campbell
Chase Myers
>wagie
that's a funny way to spell failure
Thomas Scott
Not at all kek. It was a good gun though. I had identified though that I want something else to fill that POU, and so I let it go.
You go shooting recently? What upper did you get again? 16"
Two parts. a) I've identified that I like the POU, but simply want a nicer version of what I had, and b) I have other projects to finish right now.
Anime DMR was a good gun and I'll always maintain that. Post your sub 1" built AR10?
>External pressures on the Elcan's optic housing
Even in an extremely unconventional shooting position, save from shooting in Australia, I just don't see it being very likely that you're going to be putting pressure on your optic, and if you are, maybe change positions slightly and don't break the shot.
Nice image. Nice AR.
Carter Hall
Ah so it's safe to say you're making a couple over minimum.
Jason Kelly
Yeah went shooting earlier today. I ended up going 16 although they had an 11.5 in stock that made it a difficult choice. Decided on 16 for now because I missed my Sopmod
Jeremiah Taylor
Cool dude. Most scopes aren't hinged at their base relying entirely upon external spring tension to maintain their zero. I'd agree that for 98% of shooting conditions this potential for POA shift will never be a factor. However, given the extreme 2% of scenarios where those conditions do manifest, I'm simply advocating awareness of such that it can be further mitigated. From a strictly rhetorical point of view, given an optic with the Elcan's increased potential for variability compared to one without, all else being equal I'm going to chose the scope that doesn't move when I touch it.
Josiah Jones
Cool dude. Come up with even one hypothetical where you're able to apply pressure on the adjustment lever of the elcan while shooting the gun at a target.
Benjamin Reyes
Imagine dropping your firearm and mud getting in underneath/inbetween the areas between the body and the mount.
Samuel Flores
I like how no one did a dirt test with the elcan
Thomas Ward
Hell yeah, glad you got out there. Learn anything neat or new?
I mean the upper is nice regardless, but 16" 5.56 are pretty niche IMO. Only good for 1-6x SPR/Recce setups.
>98%
>2%
Since we're making up numbers here I could equally say 99.99% and 0.01%
>Those conditions do manifest
Please elaborate exactly under what real world conditions you would be lifting up on the optic housing while shooting, or would be lifting up on the optic housing while wedging something under there?
Chase Cox
(^:
Grayson Cooper
>Mud
Unless you have a bunch of triangular shaped rocks this isn't a concern. More importantly the mud would be on the glass obscuring your view anyway
Cameron Adams
It's not that hard to envision a scenario where mud, dirt or debris becomes lodged in the magnification zoom lever's track. If that lever is not returned to the same mechanical position it was zeroed your windage POA will be shifted without any immediate indication to the shooter.
Joseph Edwards
Barrier shooting, its possible to apply pressure to the scope. Kahles has spinny tops on the elevation turrets of their new scopes to help prevent that to making unintended adjustments
Michael Perry
>bottom m80
Kevin Allen
>Since we're making up numbers here I could equally say 99.99% and 0.01%
Sure, but then we're just arguing acceptability of probable risk. At some point you'll realize that 0% is a viable option by simply choosing a different optic all together.
Connor Morales
Since you want to be a DM, you should look into The Fix. It's a light weight bolt gun that has a lot to offer for its price point. It fits your bill perfectly.
Parker Hernandez
Post the story related to that image and then think again about what you just wrote.
>Top of the scope
>Barrier shooting
If you're butchering the barrier or bad at shooting. Sure!
Jackson Bell
Just some drills. Did some socom drills going back and forth and got pretty far out and still got some hits
Jacob Diaz
Depends on the barrier.
Not all barriers are competition setups. Its a very outside concern, but its possible.
Isaiah Reyes
Zachary Long
Rate
Lincoln Cook
Unless you are jamming your rifle into a barrier like it's some sort of plunger your optic shouldn't contact a barrier at any point.
Nathan Scott
Fudd/10
Chase Edwards
>those fucking PSA handguards.
Where the fuck can I find them?!? I want something I can mount a front sight on that isnt $120+
Id go carbon fiber if I didnt want the sight
Luis Richardson
Epic dude!
Now post the image discussing the 6061 receiver and green mountain barrels on a $3000 rifle.
Ie upvoted!
Leo Kelly
>for sale
Mine almost always gives me mine for free
Juan Long
>Post the story related to that image and then think again about what you just wrote.
>"This picture was taken immediately upon the team returning to base...[I] decided to see how small of a ball it could actually curl into while taking cover in a muddy shit hole."
I'm not following your implication, care to enlighten me about what I'm missing?
Mason Hall
>You could get mud in it and it would be worthless
>Posts picture of combat situation where it was perfectly fine
I forgot that cloning rifles is more intense than military trials.
Joseph Morgan
So, you're saying ONLY triangular shaped rocks will cause an issue? Nothing else?
I was looking for this exact photo to go with my comment.
Luke Price
low/poly
Elijah Garcia
>So, you're saying ONLY triangular shaped rocks will cause an issue? Nothing else?
It needs to be shaped like a wedge to apply upward force into the optic. A stick won't do it unless force is actively pressing the stick into the optic (you are laying on a sapling while shooting?). Replace stick with any other non wedge shape and result is the same. You cannot pack enough mud between the base and the optic to cause such an issue.
Nathaniel Young
The Fix has everything you want in a rifle. You should consider it
Charles Rodriguez
Michael Perez
Post some titanium welds next
Samuel Perry
>Post some titanium welds next
say no more
Connor Myers
>because it didn't happen that one time it will never happen
Here we go again with that "head in the sand" line of reasoning. Let's just assume that it did happen, the shooter is highly unlikely to know whether his POA has been affected unless performing a zero confirmation on a flat one-way range. So just because it wasn't reported doesn't mean it didn't occur. Additionally, it's one thing to suggest the possibility of this occurrence is rare (and I'd agree.) However, it's entirely different and intellectually dishonest to suggest that this problem *CAN'T* happen.
Ethan Nguyen
>You cannot pack enough mud between the base and the optic to cause such an issue.
See and say that again
Jonathan Miller
>Mud is fingers with muscles connected to them
Where the fuck do you live where you gave this issue?
So you have 0 personal experience, 0 3rd party anecodatal evidence and 0 hypotheticals ? Sounds like you have 0 arguments
Tyler Perez
>but 16" 5.56 are pretty niche
Yeah 16" is not the most popular barrel length at all
Jaxon Cox
Go throw your elcan in the mud you hard ass. If you are so confident about dirt being a non issue why dont you back it up?
Dylan Perry
I'm going to do that for you. I'll post some photos tomorrow.
Eli Bennett
>hey dude, we replaced your rear take down pin with a tension spring to hold your upper in place
>it'll be fine as long as you don't touch it or rest it on anything
It sounds like you'd be ok with this as well. Personally, I'm grateful for the ability to recognize certain bad decisions without having to make them personally. Perhaps you lack such cognitive ability.
Connor Thomas
Strawman someone else
Take your made up issues and wgws wall posts back to arfcom