What do cream of the crop operators do after they leave units like delta and so on?

PMC or Private Security.

Those with loose morals could probably be rolled into some interesting CIA work

>We need answers
You can't handle the answers

I imagine a lot of them get depressed because they've essentially been taking cocaine their whole lives in the form of SF military life. Knowing they will never experience that again and now have to del with civilian life can probably be... disconcerting.

why not go shoot up a drug dealer or go be a hitman or some kind bank robbery then or even go to fight as a rebel in the middle east

I know one that works at the service desk for the Ford dealership here.

This is my first post here because I never felt I could give a proper answer to any questions before now. My dad was in First Group in the early 00's and retired around 06-07. He died of cancer in 09, so I was never really able to ask him about his work, he'd only say, "I file a lot of paperwork." Most of my information is from family and friends, however. My dad, from what I could tell, became a government contractor, and was responsible for third party training of PMC's, CIA, and anyone who really wanted it. Spent a lot of time in Oregon, where they'd run sims to learn trailing, surveillance, etc. He met a delta guy who's still a close family friend, and an AF guy who claims he tested the SR71, but the dude is a liar anyway.
Most SF guys end up PMC's or government contractors, the second being safer and much higher paying than military work. There are others that retire, or some that take calmer jobs. Another person here said it was like cocaine, and that is exactly right, eventually, you either die, or realize it's not worth and quit.

along with the cash pile-up, i've heard there's a bonus for being part of CAG.
not sure about any other SOFs.
this is all word of mouth aswell and you know how reliable that is.

I know a former Ranger who now does Blacksmithing

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Because we live in reality not a movie

So it's fair to say life after the military ain't glamorous?

Severe understatement

live normal lives.

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How someone so high speed looks like an average boomer that I could imagine reposts cringy "funny comics haha!" like my aunts and uncles on facebook is a mystery to me. I thought they were supposed to be drunk in hotels punching mirrors getting blood all over them.

they end up in mental institutions... PTSD and all that shit.

They always preferred low vis guys. You're probably thinking of SEALs. He was EOD so I'm sure he knows a whole bunch of useful shit.

That's because you're a fucking idiot.

Not trying to be a heritic, but is he really even that good? Heard at some point during it's earlier phase Delta Force wasn't really trusted and fucked up until they eventually got their stuff sorted. Besides that wasn't Vinning more like a specialist for technical stuff they brought along?

Don't get me wrong he sure looks like he could hike.

Does it matter how good he was? If his stories from the podcasts are true, and they seem to be true, he's done some insane shit, that would be too stressful for most people.

Get a sweet deal shilling for BCM, DD, Magpul, etc.

Never heard those stories honestly. Can you gibe an example? Are we talking about memes like Vinning was my neighbor and once I played the music too loud and then he stood behind me smiling?

Heard he'd been to Antarctica for real, but I'm not sure if all stuff sounds more fancy and adventurous than it might have been. I mean he probably didn't fight the thing while defending the seed vault. Just saying.

I was just going overboard with the Apocalypse Now type. Obviously I know not all go off the wall crazy, he just seems exceptionally average compared to the spec ops dudes I know. Not that they're all crazy (some are, but that was why they go spec ops, not a product of being spec ops), but some people do go fucking nuts. Vinning is just an exceptionally average person in his later years as far as military in general goes.

I bet he owns an RV and spends a lot of time in Florida. God bless him.

I'm not transcribing the podcasts for you, fucking Burger, it's 5AM here.

Who fucking knows, who fucking knows. If he liked killing hitchhikers and wear their pelts at night while his wife takes photos it's not like he would go , yeah well me travelling a lot is just an excuse to murder strangers, it's fun. Nah. He could enjoy lying unter glass tables and getting shat upon for all we know. It's his business I suppose but it's not like we could judge how the guy is in private. I know nutters who are perfectly able to appear normal when they have to.

PTSD is realizing you'll never do something that cool again.

tl;dr retire, train dudes, do intel gigs

>thenewsrep.com/sofrep-radio/episode-322-sgm-mike-vining-shares-stories-origins-delta-force/
this is the one i have on hand atm. he's done others though.

>thenewsrep.com/sofrep-radio/episode-322-sgm-mike-vining-shares-stories-origins-delta-force

Cool, thank you man!

The funny thing. Outside of the gun community. The hero worship of these guys is nil. I know a former seal and a former force recon marine who both work in dive shops schlepping scuba tanks. I worked with a former green beret in tech support. I know another former green beret that does landscaping. I worked with an AF spec ops guy in another tech support job. A friend of mine and former ranger drives a forklift. It's nowhere near as glamorous as people in the gun community think. Outside of an Army post special forces/operations doesn't impress anyone over 10 years old.

Oy vey

Does he seem generally happy or what

I know a SEAL who unironically went to artschool afterwards for oil painting and took over on his family's horse ranch. Though once in a while he gets asked to help instruct with sharpshooter courses for local law enforcement and border patrol.

Is that dude a Captain? Literally Cpt. Diabetes.....

>Getting paid six figures on some kind of specialist construction equipment

That sounds like he is doing merc work.

>>PTSD and all that shit

Only the sissies that couldn't handle the fact that they really weren't that "special", and wanted to take the easy way out.

Bird watching.

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>>merc work

Horsepussy. A paramedic can get 6-figures on a decent contract.

This "operator" crap makes me LOL. Most of the jokers sat in FOB's (if they were unlucky) or the major bases like BAF or VBC (the land of the big PX), shuffling papers for brain-dead officers.
Just because an individual earns a Green Beret does not mean that they are invincible. They are merely 1% of the 1% that join the military. They embraced some additional suck, completed some additional training, and got some fancy and not-so-fancy schools. In the end, they are still soldiers. Nothing special about that.

CAG? They had to steal jobs from conventional SF to stay relevant. Remember, they were originally "Hostage Rescue". They didn't do too good in Iran (Desert One), and were punked out by the Italians when they tried to grab Ocalan. *Punked by the Italians.....

What do we do when we leave those units? I couldn't wait to get the fuck out. The unit politics were seriously fucked up and the CoC was soup sandwich. I retired and went to work for a major construction contractor overseas. I left all that when the nogs and nepotism took over, I had a farm to fall back on.
A couple other guys I knew bought bars and liquor stores. A couple started their own businesses in a variety of fields.
It's not all about door-kicking, applying face paint and jumping out of fucking airplanes. SF has more BS paperwork to shuffle than a pig has shit to drop. It's a massive bureaucratic entity (think company, battalion, Group staff) with very few who are really qualified warfighters, but oh fuck, " Ah'm an O-Per-A-Tor cuz I gots a beret. Ah am Spesh-e-al.

T. retired from 10th Gp

Those fucking calfs, holy shit mike

Holy fuck those fucking tree trunk legs is this man a literal ENT

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I work with a guy currently who is ex-Spetsnaz. We both work in aviation. Did some time in Afghanistan. So he says most of the former Soviet SF dudes either went mercenary or organized crime rather than stay in the shitshow that was the 90's. What was kind of cool is that we both got to compare places we had both been 30 years apart. Dude seems well adjusted, but drinks like a fish. Guess it comes with being Russian though.

Any or even all of these:
>Use their GI bill and cool stories to go to college and bang thots all day
>Become a PMC mercenary
>Become a CIA mercenary
>Start a SPECIAL TACTICOOL SELF-DEFENSE OPERATOR TRAINING business
Which eventually leads to:
>Retire and do recreational outdoorsy stuff for the rest of their lives

>merc work
sounds more to me like he's getting paid six figures on some kind of specialist construction equipment

>PMCs
No

Haneys book describes a timed solo 40 mile 50 pound rucksack march over rough terrain carrying a firearm in your hands with no weapon strap to finish the Delta hell week. It is brutal. They basically go until they die, or they are close to it.

Have a good un'

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this is one of my big reasons for not enlisting, if i joined up and even if i made an elite unit i would get out and it would be basically where im at now, working blue collar jobs

>those calf muscles

Oh my lord

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Is it worth it or is like banging a semi hot chick you get tried of right after blowing a load?

damn. just enlisted with 19th group on an 18x. I know it's not all door kicking and that a lot of the job is probably paperwork but I at least hoped SF on the enlisted side avoided internal politics BS.

I have the feeling much of the blackops under the radar CIA stuff might be less about doing illegal things but more about avoiding proper paper work. Does the CIA have much internal paper work as well? Is there some kind of "operating" without deskwork?

>shuffling papers for brain-dead officers
That sucks.
I thought the special forces would be the last place where you would find the office drone life.

Now I'm depressed.

Operation Phoenix probably made for good office reports.

>today we did shove electric eels up some viet cong informant's ass

Sounds like a perfect existence DESU

That boy could squat a Buick I tell u hwat

It doesn't have to be that way My friends and I got out and got free degrees, but we were not career soldiers. I work next to a guy who never went in and we both have the same degree, he's just 40,000 in debt.

>Pat is pushing 60
>Still more ripped than 90% of the population

How does he fucking do it?

yeah this

Usually PMCs or they join CIA SAD (I don't know why nobody's said this yet).

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Jesus christ is that the cost of studying in America?

Murder American civilians/children in America for money on orders from kikes.

I don't get it. Why wouldn't you keep the oldtimers around anyway? Even if they couldn't kick in doors anymore wouldn't the army benefit from them teaching other soldiers, doing lectures and whatnot?

Sounds identical to British special forces selection, people have died doing it.

if SEAL blab about “cool spec op” missions to book publishers and hollyjoo screen writers
actual delta keep a low profile in the civ from what I can tell, if not retired maybe some “consulting” or PMC work

even tho not “real” oper8r I know 3 ex rangers, one works at some govt job (not mil) as security. won’t tell me what they do there but isn’t on any base or alphabet agency, other did maritime security for a bit and other took over his dads business installing fire suppressant systems

Work as a mechanic. Raise a family. Drink and tell stories.

People die doing all kinds of stuff though. There had been deaths involving german conscripts during basic training for paratroopers, doesn't necessary mean it's especially hardcore. Obviously SAS selection or whatever is an entirely different animal but I'd say if you're unlucky you might could die doing yoga, statistically speaking.

Drink to cope

>hell week
It lasts about a month.
That's because brits are retards, ordering people to march for hours in 50c degree heat with NO water is just plain stupidity
People get injured a lot in Delta selection, but you get your 8 hours of sleep every night and they feed you like a motherfucker.

Nope, that's pretty much the norm.
You DON'T want operators to stand too much out from the regular folk, other than to look physically fit
>t. knows some retired operators irl

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Money, not all the skills they have are applicable for the majority, might not have aged all that well.

I used to work with a guy who previously been Force Recon, he looked like a complete dweeb, still wore the mil. issue black horn rimmed glasses, dressed like a dork, but there was always some underlying thing about him that said to "step the fuck off."

Most memorable encounter: went to his house one Friday night to see if he wanted to go have some beers, he came to the door in a robe, beer in hand, house was pitch dark and he had Frank Sinatra playing full blast on his shitty stereo.

>They are merely 1% of the 1%
so they are just the normal people in regular society? you know because low tier citizens join for the gibbs

SAD operators are recommenced to the CIA while there currently in service; you don't apply for it.

They run guns.

I met an Ukranian ex Spetznatz in Santiago that became a priest and had a small group of qt eastern european women.

He told me about all his mates killing themselves or drinking to ruin, and we talked about theology as well. He was great, had a seiko tuna, offered me & my (ex)gf oranges from a bag.

Ex was scared shitless because insecure mess, but I decided to talk to him and I wasnt disappointed at all. What a great time we had, they had nothing but invited us to lunch and we ate next to a small ruined chapel. They sang some songs (I didnt because sperg but I regret it) and we parted ways.

They gave me rosary beads with the condition that I'd have to give them to someone else in the future.

I regret not saving their contact information.

You know more people get PTSD from cyber bullying than the military right? There's nothing "cool" about being cyber bullied.

Must have been quite a time talking to him, wonder what it would have been like if he was Russian spetsnaz instead. He say anything about what’s going on in regards to Donbass or was this earlier than that?

Probably around that time, he spoke very broken english but we used a qt as a translator, he implied all his colleagues were retired or dead, he was around his late forties so he probably didnt know anything about that.

He was a huge lad with wrists as thick as my neck, like a mule. He spoke ill of war and violence and was very religious. Some kids were smoking and drinking next to the church and he very gently ask them what they were doing and told them to fuck off.

bet mike goes on hitman missions

This picture makes me so happy for some reason. They look so happy and wholesome. I hope to one day have a career half as successful as Vining's, and a woman like Donna, that stuck by him through everything.

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It's something about the modesty too. The only thing that gives away who he is are those fucking calves. He doesn't give a fuck what anybody thinks of him and it shows.

You may not like it but this is what peak performance looks like.

Being in the military and living in post housing I've learned that What elite special forces do vs what the movies portray them doing is nowhere near the same. Go to Fayetteville NC and shoot in an IDPA match. Then realize you just out shot a few SF guys. Most of these guys have hobbies other than guns, amd really are much better at shooting than the average joe, but not nearly as good as a civilian competition shooter. Same thing in a dojo, Go to a dojo outside of Bragg, and you'll see sf guys get manhandled by a high school kid. They are just people.

Doesnt eat like a fat fuck and works out alot, do that for your entire life and it does wonders when you get old

All you need to do is not be a total slob, eat at least relatively healthy, and be moderately active. That’s it.

>TFW IT WAS ALL PROPAGANDA, AND THEY TRAINED GOOD YOUNG MEN INTO DAMAGED MURDERERS WHO KILL CIVILIANS, ALL FOR A ZIONIST-OPERATED GOVERNMENT.

I unironically hate recruiters and every single person who guides decent midwestern young men, typically patriotic Christians, down the path of becoming a murderous slave for elites who are using them to kill other low-level Goyim who don't want to roll over for the global system that ensures their destruction.

I wish more "operators" were self-aware and ethical enough to reject their dog-handlers, but I suppose that's the whole point of training them, is to make them "want" to be a controlled murder slave.

You are full of shit. No longtabber would refer to Group as "Gp"

Fook off.

He was an interesting cat. You would have never guessed what he was in a prior life upon first meeting. He was a security guard at the hotel I worked at, but was very quiet and mild mannered until he got drunk, that is when you could see the underlying nature of his personality. Only saw his temper once at a bar when some dispshit said he looked like a pussy.

He graduated from college and went back into the Marines and I lost touch with him. Overall, a good dude.

>Korea has actual anti-bullying rangers
every time I think the far East can't get weirder

This.
Develop a popular new way to shoot a gun using your left foot and right shoulder and your dick to pull the trigger, chant "High Speed-Low Drag" incessantly and wear 5.11/tactical clothes everywhere you go.

I think back then the russians had a habbit of forcefully conscripting even olympic athletes into special operations, competition shooters too. Generally I'd say the problem is that a day has only so many hours and it's impossible to get good at everything, especially if you got as much on your plate as SF guys. What makes the difference I reckon is being able to learn new stuff quickly, even if your grasp is mediocre in comparison to real experts, and connecting the dots to other things you know.

Like even 10, 15 years ago in terms of fighting you could be mediocre with everything but like in terms of grappling most casuals didn't even know it existed. Same time grapplers like judo guys didn't train stand-up. So if you sparred a kick-boxer you could wrestle fuck the guy and if you sparred with a judoka you'd try to mantain the distance, sprawl if necessary, and punch him out. If you spar with a boxer you might low kick the shit out of his legs, or whatever. Doesn't mean I could compete with someone who actually does thai boxing but I know enough to be able to adjust my tactics maybe, to another pocket of mediocrity that gets the other guy out of his comfort zone. Or at least watch out for the stuff you're good at.

Or take language skills. I'm sure not every SF dude is a linguist but I guess many know enough to communicate basic stuff. Other than that, they might not be the best at everything, but they can shift and adapt in ways you can't not. Like if you're the most hardcore motherfucker on earth doing the blooming death, spinning out of control while spitting bullets in all directions, does it matter if they just call an airstrike on you? I mean, eventually it gets to a point where the average guy would need be a jack of trades of well to be able to compete, I imagine at least.

Btw. don't they say in terms of direct action the Rangers are better than the special operation units? Some guy also made the comparison that classical airborne troops might not be as fast but they're like a blanket of death.

I've seen the chart that compared Rangers to SF (green berets) and honestly it made perfect sense, given that generally SF's mission is to conduct unconventional warfare and train irregulars to fight with/for you. Many of the Green Berets that I've seen footage of and met were very good communicators and teachers, generally didn't present themselves as being all that hard and had a lot of respect for the locals that actually gave a shit.

CIF, on the other hand...

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