>inb4 muh Jow Forums Whites are the ONLY demographic in which the majority of people support gun rights and vote Republican. As states become less white, they become Democrat. This just happened to Arizona this election and mow it's a blue state. Nevada is minority white and is now solid blue, and Texas BARELY scraped by with Cruz winning.
Demographic changes are objectively, by far and large the greatest threat to maintaining the second amendment. Whites are 56% now. We would be lucky not to get Californian-tier laws nationwide within five years.
Whether or you are a Natsoc or a Libertarian, Jow Forums is absolutely right here. I'd like a situation where non-whites are pro-gun in the majority and right-wing, but any and all attempts at pandering such as Reagan giving amnesty to illegals only made California solid blue. It does not work.
The founders knew this, hence why in the immigration act of 1790, only whites were allowed to immigrate and become citizens.
Ultimately I see our future as very grim. We lost Washington and Vermont this year alone. I see no possible way to maintain our rights unless this union dissolves and white states form their own right-wing ethnostates.
Well fucking said. Watch the Jow Forumsguns and Jow Forumssocialistra users get mad at this post. I find the civic nationalist libertarians from Jow Forumsguns and whatnot to be far more detrimental to our long-term goals than the actual leftists. For every black, hispanic or asian pro-gun right-wing person, there are 100 anti-gun and leftist people. It's simply reality.
the immigration act of 1965 was hands-down the worst thing that has EVER happened to second amendment and constitutional rights in general I honestly hope it's made every day
>For every black, hispanic or asian pro-gun right-wing person, there are 100 anti-gun and leftist people. The majority of non-whites in this country probably don't care about gun rights one way or the other, if Democrats and Republicans flipped on just guns and nothing else, they would all still vote Democrat. They are much more influenced by other issues.
Samuel Williams
Suck my dick Jow Forumsnigger
Sebastian Nelson
>don't care Generally speaking when it comes to voting on actual gun control initatives they dom For example the initative to mandate UBCs in Nevada and require a license for semi automatics in Washington. Exit polls showed that the great majority of blacks and hispanics voted yes, thus they were passed. Dude, I used to be a Ron Paul libertarian, but ignoring this is fucking suicide. Demographic changes will be the death of our gun rights.
Dylan Bennett
>>>>/Jow Forums/ >not still browsing Jow Forums on Jow Forums actually kill yourself
Gavin Ortiz
Good thread. Lots of fags cant deal with this. But civil war and balkanization are the only out comes.
John Howard
120% this, fucking this, FUCKING THIS. Whenever I point out this truth on Jow Forums the /leftypol/ and redditor faggots on here get mad and screech about Jow Forums. We are fucking doomed.
Try converting a couple maybe? No? Too busy masturbating?
Well, guess it's not your fault then... I mean you did all the nothing you could...
Eli Smith
>converting For every successful convert there are 100 of them who are not pro-gun and right-wing. Republicans have tried pandering multiple times in the past by giving amnesty to millions and promising not to deport them. Instead they continued voting democrat. We would have to invest so much fucking time with literally tens of millions of gun owners going around converting the hispanic and black populace that the manpower and energy required is impossible to achieve. Even then, it won't make a difference in the long-run as their decendents are statistically likely to hold even more leftist views than their parents.
Nathan Torres
Maybe we'll wind up like Brazil if we're lucky...
Grayson Taylor
>The founders knew this, hence why in the immigration act of 1790, only whites were allowed to immigrate and become citizens.
That's because they knew perfectly well that the ideals of the nation could only function when the nation itself was comprised of Europeans. The whole concept of classical liberalism and individual rights originated within Europe
Josiah Green
Yup, keep doing nothing. That's sure to work. Good job sitting on your ass instead expanding gun knowledge and culture to other people.
blacks having guns is never a good thing OP, look at chicago
Cooper Clark
>nothing He whined about it on Jow Forums(nel), when what he's predicting comes true in 200 years I'm sure they'll make an engraved golden plaque honoring him for it.
you know the type of people to blame everything on race and IQ usually don't have the willpower to exert the effort required to make any serious change. sometimes I wonder why they even fantasize about a white ethnostate since nothing short of a massive natural disaster engulfing the western hemisphere like say, yellowstone blowing its top would make it a remote possibility.
Easton Butler
I'm being pragmatic. Pandering has been tried multiple times before and has not worked. They did not get the anticipated votes. For every Hispanic we convert, 100 more come to this country anti-gun and leftist, and this isn't even including the offspring of hispanics and blacks in the nation who are more leftist than their parents on average. Good luck converting the majority of hispanics and blacks to be right wing and pro gun. In every country such as Canada or European nations, non-whites vote for leftist parties.
We would literally need generations for your plan to succeed and tens of millions of people in manpower. We have neither the time nor the resources. My man, whites are literally on the verge of being a minority in the US. It's irreversible from there.
Kevin Cooper
like it or not when the sun finally sets on the cracker majority in the next handful of decades so too will it set on personal and gun freedoms in america.
Cameron Taylor
See Your goals are simply not realistic at all. Brazil or South Africa is the future of this country.
Evan Rogers
Good, I've had to listen for years while Jow Forums insisted that people who've never established or maintained a successful country with strong individual rights would somehow bring about a different outcome here. They vote overwhelmingly anti 1A and 2A, have a higher violent crime rate and will sink the country simply by being on average a net financial negative. I'm ready for the ship to go down and watch the civnats and lolberts try to outvote the gib hungry hordes and have state after state crumble.
Austin Howard
The most important demographic is urban vs rural, I'm surprised so many are missing this. Guess where the majority of the blacks and hispanics live in the US?
Gabriel Morris
somehow people think there was no gun control at all before 1960.
Daniel Foster
No shit, they literally can't support infrastructure themselves, which is why there's no small black or Hispanic towns. You acting like there's some rural group of based browns is disingenuous and desperate.
Carter Lewis
>Pandering You keep using that word and I don't think you know what it means. People valuing guns isn't pandering.
Lincoln Wilson
Look up Urban demographics. the great majority of whites live in the suburbs and rural areas.
Large scale migration in the 20th century in this country largely followed the growth of cities, not people going and building small towns where there weren't any.
Easton Sanders
Ignore that word then. My point still stands. For every convert you get 100 nonwhites who are anti gun. Think of it as a very hopeless game of whack a mole. You might get one, then 100 pop out, ad infinitum.
Oliver Gonzalez
You'll have better luck trying to talk a tree into not growing than convince people of the obvious.
The Republicans and the Democrats are the same thing. You think this way because they want you to and it distracts you from even trying to make a real change.
Don't bother. These folks see politics as a zero sum game about one sub-tribe getting an advantage over the other, not the whole tribe coming to a consensus on something. The idea that you pander or appease a demographic instead of actively try to change their mind is part of what broke American politics in the first place.
Adrian Hill
>not so much as a single black/Hispanic town or probably even neighborhood that isn't dependent on white/Asian infrastructure/money >heh guys, just migration, heh now what
>The Republicans and the Democrats are the same thing.
Objectively false. One votes to limit my gun rights in the present day.
Brandon Hall
Look, you ingrate. """"Conservatives"""" have been trying to change minds for decades and failed. You cannot admit even one success made for any non-white racial group for conservatism. You're a fucking embarrassment.
Dylan Ortiz
So what's the plan then, /polt/tards? Or do you not have one and just wanted to start a blackpill thread so you could complain about niggers on the weapons board again?
one actively votes to do so, the other just does nothing besides compromise every few years
Jack Diaz
>rural 63% >whites only 57% Instead of assuming hoplophobia is a genetic disorder, maybe it's because all the niggers and spics live in cities and belong to cancerous urban cultures?
Face it, even in all-white nations, enough urbanization automatically results in the decay of firearms rights.
Easton Fisher
And the other would do the same if they felt it to be advantageous. As they did consistently till the 90s. By all means vote GOP, it's the better idea in the short run, but don't harbor any illusions that they work for you.
Easton Lewis
>Don't bother. These folks see politics as a zero sum game about one sub-tribe getting an advantage over the other, not the whole tribe coming to a consensus on something. The idea that you pander or appease a demographic instead of actively try to change their mind is part of what broke American politics in the first place.
Look dude, I wish this could be achieved but it simply cannot. First off we would need to convert the greay majority of nonwhited who number in the hundred of million to be pro gun. Not only would we require a shitton of manpower (which we do not have), the time required is in the length of absurdity. For every nonwhite that is converted to be pro gun and right wing, 100 living in the nation are not, the 200 who come to this country are not, and neither are the 300 born. Your position is why we are in this mess. Civic nationalism does not work. We are a tribal species. We value members of our own tribe for a reason and generally stick together. The concept of negative liberty and individual rights were developed by Europeans. Its origins lie within Europe.
Why on earth did you think that the same people who wrote "shall not be infringed" ONLY wanted whites to immigrate and become citizens? Face it. We are fucked. At the very least I hope this is a lesson.
Recucklicans REALLY need to start pandering to whites. I'm so sick of hearing about "UHH UHHH THE BLACK COMMUNITY, I HAVE SO MUCH BLACK SUPPORT." I don't fucking care about the 38 rich black dudes who vote Republican, they're going to fucking vote Republican regardless. They need to play to their fucking base.
Elijah Rogers
The Turner Diaries my dudes. >pic Russian cover, and man they make the KKK look badass.
>. This just happened to Arizona this election and mow it's a blue state. In name only. The "Democrat" who stole the election from the most badass female politician in history is a pandering blue dog who agrees with Trump 60% of the time.
Adam Perez
This. Threads like these are a perfect illustration of why even Asian Americans are anti gun despite having no rational reason to feel that way. Whatever though, I'm sure the NRA will keep doing a fantastic job of jerking off their shrinking boomer fanbase while alienating everyone else. After all, they were happy fight for gun control back in 1960s California when black people were actually getting into guns, so it's not like they've ever actually given a shit about expanding gun culture. But none of that matters because "muh rope day" is coming soon though, right? Cool then, I guess we can just sit around and wait for delusional autists like OP to start the race war.
Elijah Rivera
>Try converting a couple maybe? sure but i need you to spot me a couple of billion so i can bribe non-whites with welfare and h-1b's.
Thomas Brown
>/pol boogeyman I used to literally and unironically be Ron Paul-tier libertarian for most of my time on here then I woke the fuck up. The reality is that demographic changes is the greatest threat to gun rights. Perhaps I'm blackpilled in seeing no solution beyond dissolution of the union which would be a miracle. Better to be blackpilled and miserable than ignorant and blissful. I just hope it won't hit you as hard when we get fucked over at the federal level within 10 years hard.
Jace Gray
The left wants to believe that a wave of non white immigration will seal their victory. But those people are integrating just as fast as European immigrants did. They'll settle down and get real jobs and start voting Republican. Many of them already do.
Anthony Perry
i thought the GoP was the party of successful business people and the democrats were the party of jobless hippies. surely they could spare some money to ensure a larger voting base for the next election. i'll be glad to see you in 10 years when the world hasn't collapsed because of you overdosing on Jow Forums memes.
Elijah Martin
>They'll settle down and get real jobs and start voting Republican
The sheer delusion here is amazing. You cuckservatives tried that in the 80s with all the amnesties.
So your plan is total civil war and complete social collapse? Good to know. By the way that's completely infeasible. Any other Jow Forumstards have a plan? Preferably one that doesn't involve millions of innocent deaths and world-shattering military conflicts?
Tfw when my old boss was pro gun staunch democrat but just couldn’t connect that dems are coming for his guns no matter how many times I gave concrete examples of Dems saying they will, or they never ending creep of Gun control.
Aaron Hill
I never said the world would collapse moron. In ten years gun laws will be much stricter on the federal and in many states that were formely red. Enjoy.
Asher Anderson
go ahead bucko, anything that absolves you of doing anything that doesn't involve whining on an imageboard. what do i know, i'm only someone who was converted to proguns because i managed to get to Jow Forums before 2012.
Josiah Hughes
Still better than today. Even then, let's assume right wing states all secede and decide to form their own white only ethnostates. Factor in military secession and foreign support and the chances are decent for it to be successful. Blood is only shed if the government decides to shed it first over the natural right of people to self-govern.
Jonathan Flores
I already explained multiple times ITT why go around and trying to convert nonwhites to pro guns is hopeless. The demographic replacement is simply far too rapid numerically to have any significant effect.
Juan Carter
>Blood is only shed if the government decides to shed it first over the natural right of people to self-govern. Read a fucking history book, nigger. It's alreary happened.
John Foster
The plan for them is to engage in meaningless internet fantasy while waiting for someone else to start the "revolution"
Andrew Parker
All the more reason for people not to put up with this shit. The founding fathers if they were alive today would call for a restart of the nation. This """""union"""""" is far too bastardized. It needs to be burnt and built anew.
Oliver Jones
Here's a fucking solution, DO SOMETHING. But of course, nothing is good enough, right? >I'm going to vote for pro gun politicians bro don't bother elections are an illusion >I'm going to agitate, protest, and raise awareness Bro don't bother everybody is black these days >I'm going to nail a list of fucking grievances to the senate door every single day until it's addressed Bro don't bother nobody reads anymore >I'm going to fight back against tyranny Bro don't bother just let the government slowly bleed you until you're too weak to do anything.
Cowards, weaklings, fools, liars, charlatans.
Austin Kelly
>muh based right wing nogs and spic fags btfo
Samuel Nelson
don't bother with blackpills and doomers
David Perez
>DO SOMETHING Do what, you fucking glownigger?!
Adrian Long
>didn't read the entire thread in which how going around trying to convert some people will ultimately not have an effect thanks to the rapid pace in which demographic changes are happening Like clockwork.
Adrian Bell
You forget how to read, you little faggot?
Robert Williams
Cool. Have fun being ruled by china after they sweep in to fill the power vacuum created by a shattered United States.
William Butler
Yeah, a little bit.
Adam Kelly
Coward.
David Davis
if everyone was a le based blackpiller like you, nothing would ever get done. ever. you think the liberals just magicked all of their cultural victories like fag marriage overnight? no, they fucking worked for it. conservatives need to put in the work to spread their message if they want to keep ahead.
Jaxon Hernandez
I'd honestly not give a shit if the nation was a puppet of Russia or China so as long as gun rights are maintained and whites are the great majority of the population. Stay mad.
Aiden Rogers
LMAO nice PSYOPS, zhang. Go the fuck back to your failing country. China is done for.
Jaxson Murphy
you'd be even more delusional than you already are.
Samuel Rogers
The thing is that cuckservatives have tried MULTIPLE times in the past to appeal to nonwhite voters by basing favorable policies to them. They didn't get the votes. I mean mathematically, thanks to the sheer amount of nonwhites that are born or come here every day, for every convert you get a minimum of 10,000 who are not pro gun and leftist. Why the fuck would I choose to expend energy on something that is clearly futile and incredibly unlikely to succeed? It's insanity. Doing the same thing again and expecting a different result.
