IMPRESSIVE Chinese tactics used against an US-puppet's much larger US made warships and US trained Special Forces:
>1.Some of the Tactics the Chinese Used in the Battle were Very Innovative
>“The commanders received orders to ‘speed forward, fight close, and hit hard.’ The smaller, faster, and nimbler Chinese vessels purposefully sought close combat (贴身战, literally, “stick-to-body combat”) against the larger, lumbering, and slower-firing RVN units. The tactic was to draw so near that the enemy’s main deck guns would overshoot their targets. By fighting while sheltering in these blind spots, the Chinese effectively nullified the superior range and lethality of the enemy’s firepower. The PLAN commanders chose a knife fight against an adversary expecting a gunfight.”
>3. Paramilitary assets mattered—and could matter again in a future South China Sea clash:
>“The civil-military integration of China’s maritime power, involving the militia and the fishing trawlers, contributed directly to operational success. The militia, stationed forward on Woody Island, acted on short notice. Akin to a rapid-response force, the militia slipped onto the Crescent Group’s southeastern islands under the cover of night, preempting the Vietnamese. Indeed, the militia threw back RVN commandos attempting to seize the islands the next day. The ability to act quickly and effectively denied operational objectives to the enemy while likely buying time for regular troops to mobilize on the mainland. Finally, the militia took part in the seizure of Robert and Pattle Islands that helped to secure China’s control of the entire archipelago.”
Source: Dr. Toshi Yoshihara, Professor at the United States Naval War College, "The 1974 Paracels Sea Battle: A Campaign Appraisal", Naval War College Review 69.2 (Spring 2016): 41-65.
Andrew Thomas
Not surprised. If you read any of Evan Carlsons books or anything about WW2 in China you’ll see how the. Hi see have always been wood elves and masters of small unit raid tactics and gorilla warfare.
Cameron Anderson
So what you're saying, is that US warships should be armored and this entire tin-can missile boat doctrine that we've been pursuing for the past 40 years is shit?
Owen Flores
I doubt any major war will start over the South China Sea. No side would risk it over the region.
Jack Sullivan
Modern equivalent to that sort of tactic would be drone swarm/autonomous mine warfare
Owen Jenkins
lol, their innovative tactic is to hide out as civilian ships and pray the enemy doesnt sink you until you're close enough for your guns to be effective? That shit has happened in literally every naval conflict I can think of, and it doesn't work after the first time, because once the other side is hit by "merchant men" They simply start sinking all the civilian boats in the area, causing hilariously high death tolls for the side trying to mascarade as merchants.
Thus their master plan is to sneak up sink a couple of vessels and then sue for peace before this relation happens. Luckily for them, no other time the US has been attacked have they started decades long wars....
Why has government sponsored shilling gotten so bad within the last few months?
Luke Miller
Tell the MSM to write less about China for us to repost here lmao.
Jaxson Moore
The PLA was always good in waging tactical warfare with little means. In Korea, their defensive ops rendered US firepower and tech advantage moot with nothing more than intense tunneling, reverse-slope foxholes and overlapping fields of fire.
>Chinese battle "records" before the arrival of portable video cameras and satelite photos >CHINESE HUMAN WAVE TACTICS™ XD >CHINA LOST TRILLIONS OVER TRILLIONS >ZERG TACTICS™ XD >ONETHOSUAND MILLION TO 1 DEATH RATIO >LOL CHYNA XD IMPRESSIVE XD >UR (ALLIES) BRAVE WARRIORS OF BRAVERY SHOOT MANY CHINESE DOWN TO THE LAST BULLET BEFORE THEY HONORABARAREEEE DIED DEFENDING AGAINST EVIL CHINA ELITE WARRIOR INVASION FIGHTING ONLY OUR WOMINZ!!! >XD CHINA BTFOXD >t. "estimating" eternal Anglo "historian" >t. "testifying" butthurt niggers that got their ass whooped by China
>Chinese battle records since the arrival of portable video cameras and satelite photos >gooks try funny shit with China >brrrrrrrt >5 dozen gook zerglings become swiss cheese without firing a single bullet back >China retreats, deescalates and keeps status quo
Really makes you think
Ryan Johnson
>burying a mortar shell under a good fireplace to make it explode 2 hours after lighting when US troops already warm themselves around it
Brutal.
Blake Jackson
Who do you think the Vietcong learned their tricks from?
Murrica was rekt in Korea by an army of what they would nowadays consider Rangers or Special Forces, minus all the firesupport and airpower that their own would depend on.
Of course they are butthurt and make up lies to explain why they lost.
Christopher Mitchell
holy shit the CCP netizen shitheads shills in here.
>That shit has happened in literally every naval conflict I can think of, and it doesn't work after the first time, because once the other side is hit by "merchant men" They simply start sinking all the civilian boats in the area, causing hilariously high death tolls for the side trying to mascarade as merchants. you're talking out of your ass and you're a fucking moron. Cease your seething rage, retard.
Caleb Moore
I always enjoy listening to Anglo "historians",their excuses and imagination amuses me.
Cooper Hill
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>rekt >china had to literally crawl over their own dead to dislodge a tiny american army with little support >a fat american was literally crushing chink heads while they panicked and cried >1.3 million chink "soldiers" were barely able to force a tiny us army unit to concede north korea at little loss of their own >a measly 36,000 americans died assraping north korea into oblivion and swatting away chinamen, who lost hundreds of thousands >not even a million slants were able to push them out of south korea or past the paralel
Michael Sanders
great, spam moonrunes that'll get him to go away
Kayden Reed
i guess that would hold some merit if not for the fact the chinks don't give a shit about human life
>UN intelligence, on the other hand, estimated that only 171,117 combat personal were actually available for the PVA on January 1, 1951.
kek.
Americans with all their aircraft carriers, tanks, planes and artillery lost against literally 171k starving peasants with old capured japanese rifles.
Shameful Display of the Whitoid's vaunted """"""""""""strength""""""""""
Jeremiah Perry
cunt
Jaxon Peterson
>National Interest Into the incinerator it goes.
Parker Adams
I was gonna say nothing but you're right that is more embarrasing lmffaoooo
yeah the chicoms are not creative with their names or anything at all for that matter
Christopher Williams
>Armour >Hurr durr muh kool battleships Why do retards keep falling for this meme?
Joshua Fisher
South Vietnam couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag, pretty sure Americans of all people know this. On the other hand, we all know how successful China was in the Sino-Vietnamese war...
Jose White
>be chinese >run away from the first sign of resistance from starving africans lmao
Jose Cooper
>Murrica was rekt in Korea
Chinese sources admit to losing somewhere in the neighborhood of 250K troops in Korea. US lost 36K. The goal of the Communist forces was to invade and subjugate South Korea. They failed. South Korea still exists.
So, if you consider China not accomplishing their military objectives while also losing a quarter million “Rangers or Special Forces” to be Murrica rekt, more power to you. Whatever helps you sleep at night, bud.
Juan Gutierrez
its well known that chinkoids value human lives less than americans.
Lucas Reed
>understating casualties
I swear, the worse the US gets, the lower they state their own dead.
China killed, maimed and captured roughly 600k UN troops - and that's discounting North Korean kills.
What is your excuse for losing so many """"""superior""""" """""uberhumans""""" to us insects?
Just wait until their marines get an aviation component- PLANMCAF
Anthony Collins
Chinks won't consider you Asian, Hans. No matter how much you suck their dicks.
Oliver Ramirez
>t. Seething chink
Are you really that desperate to change the topic of discussion? You could start another thread if you really wanted to.
Samuel Hughes
How did the US lose? Their military objective was to repel the invasion of South Korea. Do you have access to a current world atlas? South Korea is still there, still unoccupied by Communists.
If you need to call that a Chink victory, your life is pretty tragic, bro.
Hunter Stewart
Point still stands.
America's track record of winning against badly equipped peasants and goat-herders is not so good.
PLA soldiers in Korea were even worse equipped than that eight Taliban fighters who scarred that "lone survivor" for life.
Landon Bennett
Ah. I see. And that, plus not accomplishing their objectives is somehow a victory?
Jeremiah Cox
And China's military objective was to throw the US back from North Korea and defend their bufferzone.
See that map? Communism still exist on the Korean soil and Chinese Communism grows stronger by the day.
Tactically and Strategically, China won.
Impressive.
Ryan Moore
And the chinese sure did well against the rice farmers of Vietnam.
Grayson Gray
They did. You failed your Home-by-Christmas Offensive and North Korea was protected to this day. Enjoy Kim's nukes pointing at you.
What, that you’re moving the goalposts to a completely different venue? Ok, how about the performance of Chink peacekeepers against a pack of feral negroes in Africa? Iirc, the Chinks shat themselves, threw down their weapons and ran back to their compound. Where, presumably, they required the services of a troupe of PLA prostitutes to help them cope with the stress.
So that’s the narrative you’re pushing. Who started the war, again?
Asher Lopez
You might want to read about the history of China's entry into the war, which was strongly related with repeated warnings to the US not to get close to the Yalu River.
China didnt care about the Korea until the US decided to invade the North.
Levi Garcia
Not China.
Charles Watson
You do realize that the US casualty figure is for all US military deaths from all causes, worldwide, right? US combat deaths in Korea were 33K. There were another 3600 US deaths from non combat causes. Go ahead and post another picture of stone engravings to support your argument.
Robert Wright
>China didnt care about the Korea until the US decided to invade the North.
And then China threw all of their military might into backing a failed invasion attempt. They threw away a quarter million troops just to get the lines back to status quo. But, hey, if that’s what you want to call a victory, go for it.
Ayden Taylor
Precisely. NK did, got their shit pushed in. By second rate, green garrison troops btw. China throws in on the side of the botched invasion, and after horrendous losses manages to get the lines back to where they were before NK started the ball rolling. Big Chinese victory, whoo-hoo.
Nobody is risking war over the South China Sea, China won without ever firing a shot, the beginning of the end for the USA
Jace Allen
>And then China threw all of their military might into backing a failed invasion attempt. >failed lol. Keep crying while I drink these delicious Chosun tears, bitchboi
Brayden Rogers
The Korean war saw just over 1 million dead Chinese and North Koreans, to 36,000 US and 217,000 South Koreans. 2.3 million injured Commies vs 540,000.
>>“The commanders received orders to ‘speed forward, fight close, and hit hard.’ The smaller, faster, and nimbler Chinese vessels purposefully sought close combat (贴身战, literally, “stick-to-body combat”) against the larger, lumbering, and slower-firing RVN units. The tactic was to draw so near that the enemy’s main deck guns would overshoot their targets. By fighting while sheltering in these blind spots, the Chinese effectively nullified the superior range and lethality of the enemy’s firepower. The PLAN commanders chose a knife fight against an adversary expecting a gunfight.” Missiles
>>“The civil-military integration of China’s maritime power, involving the militia and the fishing trawlers, contributed directly to operational success. The militia, stationed forward on Woody Island, acted on short notice. Akin to a rapid-response force, the militia slipped onto the Crescent Group’s southeastern islands under the cover of night, preempting the Vietnamese. Indeed, the militia threw back RVN commandos attempting to seize the islands the next day. The ability to act quickly and effectively denied operational objectives to the enemy while likely buying time for regular troops to mobilize on the mainland. Finally, the militia took part in the seizure of Robert and Pattle Islands that helped to secure China’s control of the entire archipelago.” Just use more missiles
Yep. Failed. Chosin Reservoir is in North Korea, Lotus Blossom. Lets review the course of the war, shall we? North Korea invades South Korea. At first, it goes badly for SK. They get pushed all the way back to Pusan. US reinforcements arrive, Inchon happens, things start going badly for NK forces. They get pushed back so far into North Korea that they’re about to get shoved all the way out of their own country. China doesn’t want to deal with several million additional starving, illiterate peasants on top of the countless millions they’ve already got. China also doesn’t want to share a border with a hostile ideology. China also has to do something with a few hundred thousand former kuomingtang soldiers, who are A) ideologically suspect B) veterans of a couple of decades of fighting C) all too likely to become troublesome insurgents.
China decides to use one problem to solve another. Throw the troublemakers into a meatgrinder and establish a buffer zone. The only victory China won was against internal dissent, and that didn’t even last all that long.
Indigenous Research and Development Moral High Ground People's Champion Real Government of the People Efficient Governance Socially Positive Superior Intelligence Indefatigable defender of human rights Vicious enemy of Corruption Effective form of Government
Wyatt Mitchell
>US admits the faults with its F-35 program and constantly report setbacks and breakdowns >US admits that its THAAD and AEGIS missile defense systems would realistically have a high miss-rate >US admits that the railgun is becoming too expensive and impractical to develop until supporting technologies catch up
Meanwhile: >China announces its J-20 and flies a few around to show they work >China shows off its ship-killer missile and flies it around to show it works >China deploys what they claim are railguns on cargo ships to show they're nearly ready to deploy
Do the Chinese really believe that their untested technology won't immediately start falling apart after the outbreak of a major war? You aren't supposed to flex that hard if you've never even been in a fight. That's common sense.
What is untested? You have no clue what is and what isn't tested. As for the J-20 and the J-31, I don't think anyone has any illusions about these planes. They were built thanks to stolen data from the Americans, so it's unlikely they will be any better than their American counterparts. Certainly as far as stealth goes (insofar as it can be said to actually work) we know the Chinese still haven't managed to create engine nozzles like the Americans.
Dominic Roberts
I wish we went full retard with the defense budget like if the illuminati decided to do something not selfish and throw another 10 trillion to the military so they could buy all the toys and prototypes they ever wanted. And give the hundreds of little agencies money to buy and hire staff.
Mostly so the coast guard can get dozens of carriers and shit all over China's dick inferiority complex over the islands.
Incidentally, where the French learned how best to skin an Algerian as well.
Indochina, not even once.
Camden Anderson
I'm not referring to 'tested' in a functionality sense, but more along the lines of battle tested -- I'm sure the J-20 flies just fine.
For example, the M1 Abrams looked like an invincible monster until practical battle testing proved otherwise. The M1 Abrams that exists today is a completely different beast from the one used in the initial invasions against Iraq. 20 years of hard battlefield data and reinvention went into the newer versions and the same can be said for American planes and helicopters. I'm not saying China doesn't have functional technology. What I'm saying is that China doesn't have the same level of field experience behind theirs. When it comes to weapons, reliability and ease-of-use are absolutely critical as are the tactics and doctrines used to deploy them. America has war down to an art form at this point and the fact that everyone is obsessed with destroying their toys says a lot.
IMPRESSIVE CONCLUSION, how can the US even compete
Get a new goddamn template.
Lucas Gomez
China hasn't won anything. America is going to drive a wedge so hard through the center of your country, its going to split in half.
Isaiah Mitchell
China already has wrestled American control over Philippines, Sir Xi has just finished visiting Philippines where Philippine President signed contract to give way to Chinese claim to South China Sea in return for money. And included in contract is Chinese use of former American base, Clark Air Base. All American footprint in Philippine sand will be wipe out by Chinese water.
Ian Stewart
>Enemy decides to use gun-heavy tactics which make missile standoff range impractical, trials show it to be successful >Rather than change own tactic to meet the enemy, whine at them for not playing by your rules as they put a hundred holes in your modern fleet with weapons that would hardly scratch the paint of their predecessors >"But muh CWIS! Muh AEGIS!" This is the battlecruiser shit of WWI all over again. Heavy firepower does not make up for the fact that your ship can be perforated by a .50 BMG and will crumple like wet tissue paper in the line of battle. Cracks in the strategy were already showing up in the Falklands where in spite of having both naval and air superiority modern "destroyers" were still sinking left and right.
Except the brits didn't have Air Superiority. They were forcing Harriers into front line dog fighting roles against Argie jets flying at extreme leg range.
Jaxson Cook
>I wish we went full retard with the defense budget We do
Caleb Walker
If the US military had no problem using $117,000 Hellfires and $1,800,000 Tomahawk missiles to kill goatfuckers in Afghanistan and Iraq, what makes you think they wont use multi-billion dollar submarines and $3,800,000 Mk48 torpedoes to sink Chinese fishing trawlers and missile boats.
