nbcnews.com
>U.S. troops to leave Syria as President Trump declares victory over ISIS
>Two senior defense officials said the White House would announce the move as early as Wednesday.
What a victory for Russia, Iran and Tukey.
Kurds will be erased, ISrael will get rocketed even more (deserved it for supporting ISIS tho).
I think Russia really got to thank China for diverting US attention away from the Middle East.
now if only Russia had some way to service their only aircraft carrier
Good.
Syria is a sovereign nation. She wants Russia in the country. US fuck off.
Jow Forums is anti-neocon board
The US had no business there. Assad is the rightful ruler.
Bring US troops home. American blood does not need to be shed for Syrian rebels.
>US to leave Syria.
good. US declared victory over ISIS, USA wins. waste of time to be there now that isis is dead.
Now deploy the Corp of Engineers and Sea Bees to build our southern border defense.
ALLAH SOURIYA BASHAR W BAS
Can't wait for Russian faggots to die in combat. Been needing new videos to watch of vlad and sergi getting mowed down
I mean they did achieve what they set out to do.
>A big Win for Russia
Can they even afford to rebuild Syria?
>Can they even afford to rebuild Syria?
Why would they? They're not there for the sake of the Syrian people.
>US goes into Syria to destroy ISIS
>ISIS is destroyed
>US leaves Syria after its stated objective is completed
Ok
China is moving in with the reconstruction.
>Can they even afford to rebuild Syria?
Lavrov asked Europe to do it
>please hate on russia more
>look they're winning something
Jesus christ, ISIS isn't actually defeated, they literally recaptured parts of al-Qalah yesterday
Saudi Arabia, Israel and Turkey are still supporting them, it's just that the USA is now switching its support to Erdogan rather than the Kurds
Makes me mad as shit, Assad doesn't stand a chance against Turkey so congrats >muh lion of damascus idiots, hope you're ready for Ottoman Empire 2.0
We shouldn't be in the middle east anyway. Or any other country but our own.
does ISIS exist anymore or is it just a bunch of randos with a flag roaming around killing people
wasn't most of their original leadership wiped out?
Jow Forums is littered with liberals and faggots. I can't wait for the anal cancer to set in and wipe these millennial scumbags out.
They are very much still alive, this idea of "well we killed their leaders so the organisation will dissolve" fundamentally misunderstands how ISIS and other groups like it function. They still have ~30 000 fighters across Syria and Iraq
> Chinese construction
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Good luck!
lol time to take your blood pressure meds, grandpa
Did we ever have a stated objective other than destroy ISIS? We have been killing them for four years. Time to leave. We shouldn’t do another endless nation building war.
> the Light fearing roaches
Is it backwards day today?
>30,000 fighters
how can you even put a number on them
RIP Kurds
got used for the USA's ends and now abandoned to the Turkroaches because Trump has a hardon for Erdogan
t. assblasted boomer without retirement savings and a midlife crisis
ISIS got beaten back so hard they're hardly any more relevant now than any other militant group in the region. Any chance of them overthrowing the current ME status quo is basically gone now.
Syria is part of their Belt and Road/Silkroad project anyway.
There have already been meetings of high officials years before.
This.
America migth call this retreat "a victory", but in reality it shows what you get for trusting and allying yourself with the USA.
commies deserve death
I hope the roaches wipe them out
>SDF
>commies
yeah alright m8 i'm sure you know exactly what you're talking about
did you not see the tilde
it's an estimate based on the forces engaged in operations against them, as well as intel from infiltrators and moles
Who gives a shit?
It's a fucking third world desert hellhole.
Why do we need it?
i hope this situation evolves until there's an alliance between the US, Russia, and China, and western Europe gets shafted or dragged along for the ride
>i want all the great powers to just ally with each other
you don't understand geopolitics
the Kurdistan region is the actually valuable part of Syria, so losing it to ISIS or Turkey is bad for the USA, but desu the Kurds were just going to stab you in the back once they had autonomy anyway
Trump said the exact same thing several months ago and nothing came of it. He's tweeting random crap to see how everyone reacts like he always does.
This. Remove Assad and some other asshat will rule. It’s the Middle East, A bunch of inbred dunebillies.
>Implying Russia won't take control of the US, make it their de-facto ally, and therefore have the US allied with China due to its secret allegiance to Russia which is allied to China
no, you don't understand any politics.
>A big Win for Russia
they get to play clean up. yeah, big fucking win.
>It's a fucking third world hellhole
so is UK yet you amerifats still support them closely
>What a victory for Russia, Iran and Tukey.
Libshill fuck off. I don't give a shit about Syria, and Russia isn't my enemy just because Jews don't like the place.
Also, just a reminder that all the hysterical blackpillers who, a year ago, were screaming that Trump betrayed them for launching a couple missiles into an empty airbase in Syria and were saying that he was going to start a new war just like Bush's in Iraq are silent about this, but are spending all day screaming that he's betraying them about the Wall and immigration.
Russia and China are gonna clean house when the 2019 crash happens, but I think it'll probably be more "vultures picking at the corpse of a decaying empire" than anything else
The YPG/J rocks a red star, so the commie thing isn't exactly undeserved.
good, no sense to get bogged down playing policeman in the middle east when the big enemy is china
yes, but they're not communists, they're libertarian socialists which is a different variety
boomers who call everything that isn't Reaginism "communist" are a cancer and need to take the long nap at the old age home
First thing Trumps done that triggers me desu. We are just leaving our allies to die. In addition, Russia wont worry about sanctions at all with black markets in their pocket.
Im suprised Trump isnt demanding Russia buy the donbass and crimea from Ukraine, considering we have corporations there. It seems like a him move.
who exactly are our allies in this situation
Am I supposed to see a problem with us leaving Syria?
I understand the difference, but is a bit pendantic. Also, I'm not sure how meaningful the difference is in practice. I've interacted with YPG volunteers and several had said that many if not most of the kurds don't really understand their professed ideology. Also, I suspect that many of the old guard still cling to the old Marxist ideology the PKK was orginally founded on.
Rebelling peasants and kurds.
Honestly Obama started the war very sloppilly, didnt unite factions or anything. His secretaries of defence had less combined years of service than Mattis alone, so at this point I dont blame anybody for withdrawing, but we really shit the bed.
Al Qaeda and kurdish technically-not-communists
>What a victory for Russia, Iran and Tukey.
>Kurds will be erased, ISrael will get rocketed even more
Thats a victory for the US as well what do you mean
>Honestly Obama started the war very sloppilly, didnt unite factions or anything
That's an understatement. The Obama/Clinton cartel was gleefully supporting Al Qaeda.
they started it without our involvement, i don't see why we're somehow bound to them forever
The difference is meaningful in that, in practice, it still uses the market, and thus allows for individual self determination. That was always the problem with ML states, that lack of SD for individuals. Their state is also probably the most democratic in the world, which also increases the representation of the people, so all the shit that people hate ML states for simply don't apply. As for whether or not the average Kurd understands, well, the way their polity is set up it's effectively a mass line, so given enough time they would understand it. Now they'll never have a chance. This is literally revolutionary Catalonia all over again.
bruh we moving on to wwiii i swear
Russia and China have just as much to lose in a major economic crash as Europe does, though. Russia is an export economy that relies on European money to stay solvent and China has a massive housing bubble that's just waiting to blow wide open.
>what a victory for Iran and Russia
Hahahahah
Oh poor Vatnik, do you really think Israel would let America leave a bodering country in unfavourable circumstances for them?
Did you ever wonder what all those Russian talks with Israel this year was about? Did you ever wonder why Putin came out of them declaring Iranian influence in Syria needs to leave (but not Israeli influence)?
Nearly Any major American foreign policy in the Middle East literally can't be put into action with Israeli lobby and American Zionist burrecratic approval. If you think Trump of all people is gonna leave its "greatest ally "out to dry you're deluded. US withdrawal is under the understanding that there is no favourable outcome for Syria and particularly Iran in doing so as well as Russian compliance. As long as Syria is a fractured mess, the IAF can bomb Iranian targets over there and Russia promises to keep the status quo Israel wins.
>Their state is also probably the most democratic in the world
Not you're an Arab in Hasakah
>Lavrov asked Europe to do it
Link pls.
China I think will come out of the crash alright. Jingping is being very very careful in not letting their market get too entangled, so I think they'll come out the best
Russia will get fucked, sure, but Russia doesn't really care about economic crashes because things already suck majorly there and if things get 10 or 20% worse it'll just boost their vodka economy and they'll keep doing what they were doing. (I don't actually know enough about the Russian economy to have an actual analysis, so i did the meme answer instead)
>being left to deal with the remains of ISIS is a big win for Russia
Cool.
Why were we there in the first place?
Liberal media last month:
>We need to pull all US support form Yemen because interfering in Middle East civil wars is BAD and WRONG.
Liberal media this month:
>We need to keep our troops in Syria in order to keep its Middle Eastern civil war going!
marxists.org
Why do liberals give a shit about Yemen at all? Bloomberg is whining about it as well.
The US continues on its race to fuck up the most foreign policy decisions in the shortest possible time. Trump needs to fuck off before he ends up breaking NATO apart.
All they need to do is rebuild some airbases and they've achieved everything they wanted.
This isn't gonna change anything, instead of the Kurds in control of the territories the nu-FSA backed by Turkey will take them. And obviously the nu-FSA are against Assad.
I miss when the US at least had the pretense of helping people in the region.
Breaking NATO apart would probably end up being the best thing to ever happen to US taxpayers.
might be the genocide, idk
It's very important in the proxy war against Russia. Leaving Syria (while not getting involved in Ukraine) is giving them carte blanche to do whatever they want.
The US is NATO. Germany is openly trading with Russia in spite of Euromaiden, so nato should kick then out.
Isolationists are total brainlets.
>dont want war with norks
>dont care about isreal/palestine
>dont care abouth south africa
>dont care about ukraine
>oh no people are getting killed in yemen
This.
nice argument
>>dont care abouth south africa
>believing paranoid boomer dipshits
40 people in one year is not a genocide lmao
>>dont want war with norks
Obviously not, because it would mean war with the real power there, China
>>dont care about isreal/palestine
Liberals care very much about Israel because liberals are idiots who believe in Israel's "we're so progressive! please ignore the apartheid!" propaganda
>>dont care about ukraine
Their line is that Putin man bad, they just don't talk about it as much
So yes, the Yemeni genocide is a bit more pressing, also considering that it is ~new~ and the liberal attention span when it comes to atrocities committed by their state is shorter than even the conservatives
It's kind of one of those things that's so self-evident that you don't really need to argue for it. Our Greatest presidents have all understood that the United States needs to make sure others have our interests in mind, through force or otherwise.
nice argument
>These digits were wasted on Israel
I just explained to you why intervention is a good thing. Are you stupid? Do you need it explained again?
nice argument
nice argument
>larping imperialist
Explain how imperialism hasn’t ended up being a total disaster for the west?
>US Commander Lt. Gen. Richard Clarke: "We are ready to commit to the defense of Israel anytime we get involved in a kinetic fight"
Yeah interventionism is totally about protecting US interests
Because Saudi Arabia is directly involved in it, and they must be punished for fighting a war Iran started.
>what is massive transfer of wealth from colonies that facilitated western dominance
>Our Greatest presidents have all understood that the United States needs to make sure others have our interests in mind, through force or otherwise.
And which interests would that be?
kys neocon
>what is massive transfer of foriegn migrants from former colonies that facilitated elite globalist dominance
ftfy
>And which interests would that be?
Literally all of them. One the first things we did as an independent nation was to invade the Barbary states to cease their attacks on our shipping. Or when we had to invade Mexico several times throughout our history, or the Liberation of Panama from Gran Columbia so Teddy could build a canal,or making sure that the governments of countries like Chile, Nicaragua or Egypt had our best interests in mind. All good things that brought us the wealth and power we deserve.
so how do these things relate to what we're doing in syria
>making sure that the governments of Egypt had our best interests in mind
Oh, is that why Obama supported a coup by the Muslim Brotherhood?
Stay mad at your heart condition hippie boomer faggot.
>implying the flow of people was not overwhelmingly from the core to the periphery, and the wealth in the opposite direction
Trump just fucked USA in the ass bigly by leaving Syria to Russia, Assad and Iran.
USA is fucked forever in the future geopolitically.
