Why hasn't a military decided to specialize its infantry in close combat? Instead of issuing rifles it would issue pistols and knifes. Basically soldiers would excel at getting inside the effective range of cumbersome rifles. They would issue weapons that are high-damage but don't have very long range, like large caliber pistols firing explosive rounds. They could still have some soldiers stay in specialized roles for long range combat, like snipers and heavy machine gunners, but the bulk of their fighting force would be trained to sneak up and engage in close combat. Another advantage would be that once you are inside an enemy formation they would be forced to engage you in hand-to-hand combat or risk shooting each other, but your troops are better trained in close-combat so they win.
Why hasn't this happened yet?
Why hasn't a military decided to specialize its infantry in close combat...
>high-damage
>explosive rounds
>inside an enemy formation they would be forced to engage you in hand-to-hand combat
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If we all could choose when and where we fight then war would be easy
Infantry is already taught knife and hand to hand
Pistol is taught depending on your MOS or roll
You need to remember that no pistol can penetrate lvl III vests or higher so it wouldn't be too useful against armored threats without shooting at the hips or head (if they don't have a ballistic helmet)
Because this isnt CoD. Its easier, cheaper, and more effective to train infantry the basics of how to fight in all kinds of different enviroments than to have extremely knowedgeable specialists who will be useless in any other scenario.
> Infantry is already taught knife and hand to hand
> Pistol is taught depending on your MOS or roll
Remember that these troops are only trained with pistols and knifes so if they can force the enemy to drop their rifles to engage them then they will be at a disadvantage.
> You need to remember that no pistol can penetrate lvl III vests or higher so it wouldn't be too useful against armored threats without shooting at the hips or head (if they don't have a ballistic helmet)
When a large caliber round detonates it will throw a lot of shrapnel hitting unprotected areas. Also shots to unarmored areas will be much easier at close range (which is probably why other militaries don’t even attempt to make those difficult shots).
> Its easier, cheaper, and more effective to train infantry the basics of how to fight in all kinds of different enviroments than to have extremely knowedgeable specialists who will be useless in any other scenario.
No one has ever tried so I don’t know what you are basing that on.
>Remember that these troops are only trained with pistols and knifes so if they can force the enemy to drop their rifles to engage them then they will be at a disadvantage.
What?
>When a large caliber round detonates it will throw a lot of shrapnel hitting unprotected areas.
Yeah, if you're wearing naked steel
>Also shots to unarmored areas will be much easier at close range
True
>(which is probably why other militaries don’t even attempt to make those difficult shots).
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>No one has ever tried so I don’t know what you are basing that on.
stormtroopers you dumb nigger, it only works when the enemy can't just fall back 100 meters and blow you to shit with artillery.
special forces do it because they can pick their battles, and other units historically have done something similar (jungle units mostly) but training your entire infantry corps to do it is completely retarded. it's not hard to beat someone over the head with a shovel. you don't need training to do it.
> What?
It’s harder to hit an enemy at close range with a accurate weapon than an inaccurate weapon, especially if your enemy is doing quick maneuvers. Think about it. A superb accurate weapon always shoots where you aim it, but if your enemy is maneuvering fast enough that you can’t aim at then, but only in their general area, than an inaccurate weapon like a pistol is actually a better choice, because it will spray the bullets all around where you are aiming in quick fire. So when your troops close in the enemy won’t be able to hit them with rifles and will have to switch to pistols and knifes where your troops have the advantage.
> stormtroopers you dumb nigger, it only works when the enemy can't just fall back 100 meters and blow you to shit with artillery.
Think about how demoralized a enemy force would be when they have to run away to make any kills. They might start just running away when they hear rumors from local villages that your troops are nearby.
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You sound like a fucking retard this isn't call of duty kid
An inaccurate weapon is better....
>It’s harder to hit an enemy at close range with a accurate weapon than an inaccurate weapon, especially if your enemy is doing quick maneuvers. Think about it. A superb accurate weapon always shoots where you aim it, but if your enemy is maneuvering fast enough that you can’t aim at then, but only in their general area, than an inaccurate weapon like a pistol is actually a better choice, because it will spray the bullets all around where you are aiming in quick fire. So when your troops close in the enemy won’t be able to hit them with rifles and will have to switch to pistols and knifes where your troops have the advantage.
this is bait or you have never fired a gun in your life.
>Think about how demoralized a enemy force would be when they have to run away to make any kills.
if that's the case every infantry force on the planet should be most of the way to killing themselves by now. "hurry up and wait" is said for a reason. if a bunch of retards with knives are charging an infantry platoon its commander is going to order a retreat so armored vehicles with grenade launchers can mop them up 9 times out of 10. nobody is going to feel demoralized if the alternative is getting shot.
>They might start just running away when they hear rumors from local villages that your troops are nearby.
no they're going to get angry and start planning ambushes.
You have either played way too much Call of Duty, or way too much Metal Gear.
Which 40k faction are you talking about?
Because pistols fucking suck even within 15m a rifle is a much better weapon. Think about it, your sending dudes with eagle brand deagles against people with m4s and saws and 240s you'll never even make it within range and if you do 30 rounds of 556 is much more effective than 7 rounds of .50AE.
That just sounds really stupid, more people would die over that.
they did user, then they discovered it was a good way to get your army killed by ranged weapons before they got close enough to do any damage.
>see Agincourt, Battle of
>Crecy, Battle of
>Fredericksburg, Battle of
>Cold Harbor, Battle of
>Frontiers, Battle of
>Passchendaele, Battle of
>Instead of issuing rifles it would issue pistols and knifes.
>Basically soldiers would excel at getting inside the effective range of cumbersome rifles.
This is fucking stupid
>explosive rounds.
This is fucking illegal
>Another advantage would be that once you are inside an enemy formation they
This is assuming they won't get cut down by their own MG
>but your troops are better trained in close-combat so they win.
>Why hasn't this happened yet?
Because it doesn't work like that
Can't to see those specialized soldiers blown up by a $40 IED placed by barely trained goatfuckers
I guess you didn't know this but you can in fact shoot someone standing right in front of you with a rifle.
No but see, a rifle is too accurate so if you give one to a raghead and fit him up against a close quarters combat expert armed with a pistol and machete/tomahawk, the raghead will miss 99,999% of his shots because the cqc expert will be moving so fast.
Based and CODpilled
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Is that before or after the CQC expert slows down time so much that he can dodge the bullets?
That would probably be the job of soldiers who are somehow "special," don't you think?
>Why hasn't this happened yet?
bait so retarded it drools
Retarded threads like this are masterful plays to draw retards out of the woodwork as they refute terrible ideas with terrible logic. OP hangs around places real military stuff is discussed enough to have an obscureish Vietnam pic for his OP so I think y'all got trolled.
Rifles don't have a minimum range. Not even the most braindead unit would let anyone but the sneakiest of squirrels close before lighting them up, pistols are shit, and it's not like any of the things you propose this hypothetical force does isn't already done.
what would we call this military force
Oh, well, if they did actually exist, they would probably have to be shrouded in secrecy, and far-fetched tales of misdirection.
Ninjas?
Jedi