From what i understand dog fighting is a thing of the past or extremely rare, apparently most air combat is over the horizon range, sometimes even hundreds of kilometers apart.
So mostly it's just the aircraft racing a missile or trying to apply countermeasures to it. But why have that fighter aircraft at all. If you have good radar and a good missile. Why do you need to launch that missile from an aircraft rather than from the ground?
Hell, even if you do have other kinds of aircrafts that need to perform functions (bombers, troop transports) wouldnt it be almost the same if they had a huge radar on top and some air to air missiles in the cargo bay instead of a full blown jet fighter escort?
Escort high valued cargo planes from other fighters And in the heat if actual war, jete will be trying to shoot down enemy bombers so you need.to support those bombers. And back up fighters with long range interceptors
Jaxon Sanders
> the aircraft racing a missile > If you have good radar and a good missile. Why do you need to launch that missile from an aircraft rather than from the ground? Learn your physics please.
Henry Turner
But what will they do to escort those planes? they will surely launch missiles, not dogfight.how far away they will launch them? surely over the horizon distance.
Then why bother taking a fast plane at all, its the missile that has to be fast. So in theory it makes no sense if its dropped from a slow plane or launched from ground, the fact that SAM is in the ground makes no differences at those distances, in less than 10 seconds it would have climbed to the operational altitude of a jet fighter, and since were talking over the horizon operations then it doesnt matter if it takes a few seconds more since you have time to hit your enemy and to see him.
Surely im missing something.
Carson Richardson
>From what i understand dog fighting is a thing of the past or extremely rare, apparently most air combat is over the horizon range, sometimes even hundreds of kilometers apart.
Because fighters launch those missiles dumbass
Asher Rodriguez
Man if only there was a way to get that radar and missile into position at 1.5-2x the speed of sound....
Seriously have you read anything about actual modern combat engagements? You'll find that SAMs have never been able to destroy an airforce with basic SEAD knowledge. No SAM network has completely shut down enemy aircraft. (Russia was unable to ground the Georgian airforce despite having the best SAMs in the world, and Georgia having exactly zero fighters.) SAMs are inherently slower and more vulnerable than aircraft, and experience far greater rates of attrition, and collateral damage. As they have to worry about the enemy ground forces as well as their airforces. In fact it is ground based systems that are obsolete, but are relied upon by poor countries who cannot afford to contest the air, thus their best hope is to deny its use to the opposing side.
Thomas Thomas
you are INCREDIBLY misinformed.
Hudson Cox
Fighters patrol airspace as sentries, since bombers are supposed to fly near enough to enemy airspace in case the order is given. For example, if a Russian Bear bomber starts getting too close to Alaska, F-22s will scramble and tell them they need to fuck off or be shot down.
Blake Johnson
>From what i understand dog fighting is a thing of the past this meme has been around for 6 decades reflect on it
If a Bear went to bomb US, it could do it from 4 times the distance F-22 can cross without falling out of the sky. Those ADIZ licking flights are for training and politician butthurt induction, not actual show of force.
Juan Hernandez
You can always build a bomber that flies higher and stealthier than any practical missile can catch up to it and blows said missile instillation to kingdom come. To take out bombers, you need fighters.
Andrew Ortiz
have you ever fucking seen topgun? what are you a fucking faggot? have you EVER WATCHED THE BLUE ANGELS FLY? goddamn we have a REAL FUCKING MARY over here
Leo Adams
fact number one : air launched rocets have 0.0000001% more delta v compared to the ones on ground
fact number two: given that previous fact, why do you even need a headstart? its extra complication, just make the rocket super quick, add it 5 stages or something
Parker Campbell
To clarify, it's not like every encounter the two have is a hair-raising one. Those patrols are routine, and I'm not sure they would every interception as a Happening in progress. It's more of >"gettin' too close, Ivan, shoo!" >"Da, vill turn back now"
Sebastian Cox
>add it 5 stages or something yeah, why don't we just shoot down planes with missiles that cost more than those planes? you should run for a senator user Your logic was fucked since the very first post dogfighting isn't dead and it probably won't be for a looooong time to come BWR is a fucking meme, the ranges of BWR missiles are ABSOLUTE BULLSHIT counting in the entire flight before the poor thing hits the fucking ground AIM-120 (D variant with alleged range of 180km and speed of 4,900km/h ) launched from an F-22 supercruising at its absolute maximum speed to give the thing even more initial velocity has a burn time of 8 seconds after that it becomes a controlled glider - FIFTEEN kilometers out your chances to get a hit on anything that's not a wheelchair bound grandma strapped to bunch of helium balloons is fucking laughable you need salvo fire for acceptable hit chances beyond 20 km and the fucking thing costs almost $2 million a pop and and an F-22 would literally need to empty its fucking weapons bay to even approach ~80% probability of a hit beyond 50km - and at that range an enemy fighter can literally just to a 360 and moonwalk away from them, then turn around and fuck you up because you're out of missiles
Aaron Sullivan
>Doesn't understand rocket science: the post
Isaiah Cooper
Isn't this basically the Russian model that is being copied by countries like Iran? That it's cheaper to have really good SAM air defense combined with competent ground radar and keep the air force budget focused on CAS or in Russia's case long range bombers? I think if you are on a tight budget there are obvious appeals to this strategy but as long as we're throwing money hand over fist at TAC then see , you absolute faggot of an OP.
Christian Cox
>dogfighting isn't dead and it probably won't be for a looooong time to come really? i mean you really ass obliterated me with the rest of your post but is this little bit actually true? when was the last true dog fight between two fighter planes?
Dylan Clark
don't they use gravity bombs anymore?
Hudson Miller
Iran-Iraq war
Cooper James
no why on earth would they?
Leo Reyes
dunno. sometimes militaries refuse to retire old technology particularly soviets, no air force in the world still has gravity bombs in service?
Luke Flores
you retarded liying piece of shit there are tons of gravity bombs in service even by the us army
