I dont get it Jow Forums, what did the north vietnamese ever do that was so wrong?
>Believed in independence
>Nationalists
>Fucked the french to stop getting cucked
>Only partook in communism to get funding from USSR and China
Why so much hate for the chink?
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Because the frogs cheated the burgers into hating them. Ho Chi Minh was unironically based.
Because muh Russias, 1959 edition.
This is the point I'm trying to make all the time. The average soviet or vietnamese wasn't a communist, they hardly even gave a shit about politics. They just wanted to live independently without interference by foreign nations. They were just people defending their country and families, just because the organization that they fought for was communist doesn't mean they were really communist, they really just used the guise of communism to get supplies and weapons from China and the USSR. The vietcong were no more hardcore communists than the average wehrmacht German boy was a hardcore fascist they were just fighting for their homelands.
Yep. Same goes for Confederates.
Because America was unironically the bad guy and any notion of it still holding true to it’s founding values were long dead
This belongs on Jow Forums, you fucktard.
What is this pol of which you speak? Is that some other website?
Fuck off.
>what did the north vietnamese ever do that was so wrong?
All they had to do was immediately surrender, wait for the americans to leave and then resume their insurgency. Their crime was not letting the americans save face.
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suck my Jow Forums cock, mr kike
amerimuttistan is a kike puppet state. they go to war for the nose whenever the nose tells them to. vietnamese literally did nothing wrong.
Nothing.
It’s just another example of Jews being Jews and using their imperial subjects to crush any independent Nationalist country whether they be on the “left” or “right” side of the political spectrum.
>I dont get it Jow Forums,
you most likely never will
BECAUSE THE HURT AMERICA. THE ONLY SOLE OWNER OF THIS WORLD. ALL NATIONS SHALL BOWS TO AMERICAN WILL. AMERICA IS THE GREATEST NATION, GREATEST CIVILIZATION ON THIS EARTH AND OTHERS ARE NOTHING BUT A DIRT IN AMERICA FEET.
Yeah. Old boy De Gaulle basically said that the US backs them in Indochina or they pull out of NATO.
It spiraled from there.
>It’s another thread of southeast asian communist subversion
Fuck off Charlie, Ho Chi Minh was a communist since his upbringing in Vietnam. He was a commjnist to the core since his upbringing, and his views was furthered enforced with his education in Paris along with his dedication to remove France from colonizing Vietnam. He was a massive soviet dick sucker, that when he founded the Vietnamese Communist Party in October of 1930, he changed it to the Indochinese Communist Party under their advice for the inclusion and subversions of locals. The fucking Democratic Republic of Vietnam in 1941 wasn’t even a republic, rather his own communist hug box of a state reinforced with Soviet logistical support. You red fucks can all eat a dick
Their major fault was that they sided with communists. But thats more a product of nessecity. Post WW2 negotiations fucked them and told them the French wont be leaving. The US didnt do shit, and the soviets said they were taking an anti-colonial stance. Even then the soviets dragged their feet to provice just funding and supplies, most help came from China.
The Vietnamese cause was based campaign for independence and they paid dearly to achieve it.
they persecuted the ARVN personnel after the war
except they were accompanied by political officers who gave them commi indoctrination courses every single day.
Ho Chi Minh?
>inhales deeply
The fucking French should have been left to flap in the breeze, the French have been militarily useless for the past century and a half.
>ze Anglos and ze Amies don't want us to keep our colonies!
>we will just join the Soviets!
>honhonhonhonhon
>NATO siccs the Germans on the French
>NONNNNNNNNNN
Didn‘t the commis group took power and purge the entire country of non-commies like national and liberals? Before that is was a movement of all political aspects but commies are always commies and betray their brothers in arms also nope
Communism, murdering and oppressing their own people, brutality towards POW’s. What isn’t wrong with them?
You can go back to Jow Forums too
americans treated vietnamese far worse than the vietcong did, and are responsible for far more atrocities and cruelties. they also supported a brutal and extremely corrupt military junta in the south. they were the bad guys in that conflict.
Nothing. They did nothing wrong. Its one of the biggst reasons Vietnam veterans still have mental issues. Because not only was the war fought in an extremely stupid manner, in methods that were immediately apparent to grunts and eventually apparent to strategists and historians, but Vietnam vets have to live with one simple fact. They didn't mutiny when they should have, they didn't frag enough officers. Why?
Americans were the bad guys in that war. And they know it.
We should never have let Europe re-arm, and should have ruled them like they ruled their colonies. With total indifference. Use that to enforce a two nation nuke rule, and truly hammer down on nuclear proliferation. No nuclear power for anyone until molten slat reactors that cant breed are made.
And? Your point? They knew very well that a regular army could perform guerilla actions enough to destabilize a country.
The French quite literally would not have had an army without free shit from America.
>vietnamese
>chink
Burger education, everyone.
Fuck the French and their Old World niggertry for getting us in that war.
they're mad 'cause the rice remained safe
>gg no re
>Only partook in communism to get funding from USSR and China
Patently false. The numerous violent purges of bourgeoisies and Ho Chi Minh's own words display that. Saigon today would be the equal of Seoul or Tokyo if we'd elected Goldwater.
Educate yourself and read "The Gulag Archipelago" by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn. It doesn't matter whether or not the people fighting the war were good or bad, the cause was bad aka communism. All it takes is a few men to do nothing for malevolent ideologies to take root. Just look at Nazi Germany and any country communism has touched.
Ho Chi Minh even asked for the US for help comparing himself to the founding fathers of the US.
But no, we had to side with the French.
so yeah.....wanna talk about the khmer rouge?
They weren't on our side.
SEETHING
This. US got involved cuz the policy of opposing Russian communism globally but the stupid politicians didn't understand that the fighting in Vietnam wasn't over ideology. They were not intrested in importing Russian communism and would have dumped them after the war. US got baited so hard.
They literally wiped out tens of thousands of teachers, doctors, engineers, etc when they went into South Vietnam and put millions into communist re-education camps. They were sub humans like any other communist
Fundamentally wrong
>believing propaganda from the side who got royally fucked
Hilarity, keep drinking the kool aid inbred billy bob
The eternal frog strikes again.
Goes to show the average Jow Forums user's culture.
France pulled out in 1954.
De Gaulle was retired from public life from 1947 to 1958.
>we will just join the Soviets!
>oh look, this Jow Forums fantasy again
Literally never happened.
To clarify, the only source for that is an ambiguous mistranslated sentence from Ken Burns.
>French allies who are insisting that if we don't help them restore their colonial empire, they might have to fall into the Soviet orbit.
They, meaning the colonial empire.
There's a difference?
Some 30000 actually, Vietnam isn’t made of gulags you know
>Nationalists
That's enough right there to shower their entire country in defoliant, damning them to have flipper babies and retarded disfigured offspring for generations.
The very best thing you can do to Nationalists is to crush their throat under your boot and mag dump into their face.
Happy holidays
they didnt do anything wrong they fought a just war against the corrupt south and imperialist usa,and despite begin the largest and most high tech army in the world usa lost and lost hard losing 10000 aircraft in the process.
Because one thing mutts cant understand is no matter if you are a sole superpower you cant break the will of the people to be free and thats why they lost in vietnam and are losing in iraq , lost in afganistan and withdraw from syria.
Thats why usa will never break russia , russia is a shithole but the more you beat them and the poorer and isolated they become the stronger and more connected they become.
Because they were filthy commies. If they had just been monarchist or fascist nationalists we would have totally supported them so we would have another ally against the Red Menace.
You can still win, its just called genocide instead of war.
They wanted to be nationalists originally, but then you turned your back on Ho and he asked China and the USSR for help instead.
Yeah chinks are bugmen but Vietnamese have actual free thoughts.
political officers are the reason why these rebel peasant armies have any coherence and fight strategically at all.
Hollywood likes to paint commissars as only being enforcers of party rules and sabotaging the decisions of non-party officers. But this was far from the truth in actual combat in Asia, where the commissars were the ones in the know about the bigger strategic picture and spread tactical knowledge evenly in the army, to make illiterate peasant guerrilla groups into a coherent fighting force.
In asian armies during cold war, the commissars are tasked to give their assigned units lessons primarily in guerrilla strategies besides political indoctrination. They are literally like CIA trainers/advisors to ISIS and Al-Nusra.
And yet the Viets learned combat strategies and the entire guerrilla business from Boss Bug Mao.
Right, I'm sure all those American Vietnam War vets (who actually have a lower rate of PTSD than WW2 veterans) sure feel bad about fighting folks who assassinated college professors and schoolteachers and murdered people in hospitals.
>justifying murdering 30,000 potentially non communists
chad hates a LARP
whilst simultaniously fighting for people who left random villagers starve to death inside cages and raped and killed women for fun.
>>Believed in independence
Alright, understandable.
>>Nationalists
I'm a patriot myself
>>Fucked the french to stop getting cucked
French are literally and metaphorically stinky faggots so that makes sense.
>>Only partook in communism to get funding from USSR and China
>communism
...see now we have a problem.
Also. Fuck the french. Left and handed the US a Vietminh/north Vietnamese opposition that was composed 100% of BigBoss clones from the prior decade of the French's half assed attempt to assert control over it's cololny.
>who actually have a lower rate of PTSD than WW2 veterans
I've read that not even 20% of US soldiers during WW2 ever engaged in combat and fired their weapon at the enemy. In Vietnam it was 85%. Why would WW2 veterans be more likely to have PTSD? They also won the war and went home as victors, Vietnam vets been going through all that shit for literally nothing and came home after being defeated just to be spat on by hippies
America BTFO.
Vietnam
Iraq
Afghanistan
and now,
Syria
>this
Victory hardly has a definition in any of these conflicts.
Your country's victories/losses/notable conflicts of any kind:
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