Russia forced to sell technology to China in exchange for repairing ill-fated Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft carrier.
After Russia's ONLY facility capable of servicing it's large ships caught fire and sank the russians have been forced to get China to fix the 200ft hole left in Kusnetzovs deck in exchange for military technology.
Without China Russia has no way to repair Kuznetzov or complete maintenance to Kirov or Slava. The Russians do no even have docks big enough for their existing ships. my sides are in orbit.
“Give me a unit of paratroopers and we will sort out the Chechens in a couple of hours,” said Russian general Pavel Grachev.
As it turned out, Russia gave Grachev 38,000 troops and hundreds of tanks to quash the Chechen separatist movement. And it still took him almost two years to end the war (by losing it).
It's bullshit. Some American site claimed it, Ukrainian sites translated it. That's all.
Which means OP is either Ukrainian hohol or a Americuck pretending to be Chinese or... a Chinese living in USA (they're like cockroaches after all).
Adrian Bell
The Chinese can modernize and repair it for a fraction of the cost it would take in Russia itself. This is the best thing that could have happened to the Kuz.
Carter Bennett
Look everyone - there's always one in every thread, making psychotic explanations and blaming the west for failures of Russia.
The article has no link to ukraine. You're also avoiding talking about the issue and trying to attack the source. shit tier argument.
Ayden Rogers
>it's Russophobic Ukrainian propaganda! The state of cockholes.
Carson Rogers
Say hello to the Zvezda shipyard in Sevastopol, larger and more advanced than anything in China. You can fit three Kuznetsovs in there.
So tell me, why would Russia tow a ship with no engine to fucking dog eating land when we have something much more superior at home? Makes no sense right? So get this into little retarded Chinese head.
>"We have alternatives actually for all the ships except for [the aircraft carrier] Admiral Kuznetsov. Our enterprises are in operation, [including] the Nerpa [Ship Repair Factory]. After all, we can perform certain docking works in Severodvinsk, not far from Murmansk. We don’t feel any special problems in this regard," the chief executive said. >except >EXCEPT tass.com/defense/1029654
Zachary Martin
>Zvezda shipyard in Sevastopol
>Following the decommissioning work, there were plans to expand and redevelop the shipyard to construct larger new ships.[2] Work on the latest attempt at expansion began in 2009; the Russian government has criticised delays and threatened to hand control of the project to third parties, perhaps including Rosneft and Gazprom.[3] In the longer term, the shipyard may be opened up to foreign investors as part of a broader plan to make the Russian shipbuilding industry capable of competing with shipbuilders in other countries.[4]
>When the expansion is complete, the shipyard would be able to build ships up to 360m and 250,000dwt.[5]
>As of 2017, the Zvezda shipyard has orders for only 14 vessels, mostly from Rosneft, one of the owners.[6]
Not impressive.
In the meantime, China builds ships with next-generation quantum technology, surpassing any and all russian naval capability.
>the shipyard may be opened up to foreign investors So China.
How pathetic.
Logan Sanders
Would be quite easy for China. Like a routine job.
Although the main drydock in Dalian is still occupied until mid 2019 when the last finishing touches for the second carrier are completed. Afterwards, the Kutz can occupy that place.
Better would be China sending a floating dock to Russia.
Dont the Russians have another drydock for the pacific fleet? Wasnt one of the problems of using that one would require to town old Kuznetsov through long and dangerous waters? How are the Chinese an improvement if they do the same?
Sebastian Foster
Yeah, so neither option is a good solution. Either Russia has to send their Pacific Fleet drydock or China sends it. Costs are basically the same and times as well.
Up to the Russians to decide.
Isaiah Baker
Russia should just dig a huge-ass canal across their land, make it an artificial river they can brag about
I think it was determined that one in the Black Sea wasnt good enough for Kuznetsov. There's another one coming onlone in 2020 but it was meant for Rosneft's oil tankers, not military ships. The other issue is that there are plenty of ships waiting their turn for modernization and repairs.
Luis Ward
Russia has enough technology to trade for decades.
Russian technology is always 50 years ahead no western analogue exist.
Americans all just jealous because Russia rockets can destroy Washington.
Ian Bennett
Time for another landgrab in Ukraine up to the Mykolaiv drydock.
That area in the middle is not a dry dock, it's for assembling ships out of water before launching them.
It's completely useless for working on ships that have already been launched. The dry dock and dry dock ship are to the left and are both FAR too small for Kuznetzov
Noah Moore
Obligatory. Russia should just sell ALL it's fleet to PEPSI. Again.
>Russian tech 50 years ahead >Su-27 need an imported GPS from the west to navigate long distance. >Also does not have the money to mass produce cutting edge stuff they do have, has to phase em in slowly (T-14). >Still uses the Kusnetzov
sure buddy.
Jonathan Green
>The Kuznetsov cannot be ANYWHERE, but if we had to MOVE IT, we would MOVE IT to SEVASTOPOL "If Russia wanted to tug pull it, it would tug pull it" Woah...
Shitposting aside, you're ignoring the key word here "except". Meaning at present, there is no alternative for the Kuznetsov.
Wyatt Robinson
Have they determined if they can refloat and repair the PD-50 for later use? In the meantime they can reach the Chinese to prevent further delays on navy updates and modernization, but I wonder if they have already determined that the PD-50 is lost for good or they can salvage it for later use. By the way, wasn't that one bought from Sweden?
Why do Russians even need a carrier? They clearly aren't serious about building a blue water navy, nor do they need one...why waste money on this shit? They should just focus on subs and small vessels.
Jaxon Ramirez
So the Kuznetsov will simply stay where it is, no one cares really.
Luke Bell
Maybe not in the long term, but getting access to a drydock now is important to prevent further delays in the Russian navy.
Gabriel Torres
That's pretty much their real focus of their current efforts, but the old Kuznetsov has some prestige value among some of the big shots. In any case, the Kuznetsov was not designed for power projection. It was designed to offer air protection to the rest of the fleet.
>What do you think is gonna happen next? You gonna sink that one too and call it underwater drydock for subs
Noah Campbell
No one really cares, they were already overloaded with work anyway. Now they have time to refresh their heads and think about priorities, such as making sure drydocks don't sink anymore.
Tyler Baker
Why are vodkaniggers both so incompetent and prideful?
William Thompson
>Right now Zvezda is manufacturing a closed floating drydock for a Borei-class submarine. What do you think is gonna happen next?
So Kuznetzov wont be back in service until 2022 at the earliest? kek
Kuz will be towed by it's usual ocean going tugs to china where they will repair your broken junk.
Jonathan Sanchez
>Why do Russians even need a carrier?
This.
They lack force projection and any russian-caused aggression abroad can easily be crushed by western countries.
They should concentrate on murdering journalists and opposition so their society can continue being the bottom-dweller of large countries.
Russia is nothing more than a puppet state of Ching chongs now.
The US no longer regards Russia as its main adversary, but Chinks.
Russia is Austria-Hungary to China's Germany. Many gopniks cannot accept this new reality
Liam Campbell
Why isn't the Kuznetsov a nuclear-powered (while the Kirov is nuclear-powered) again?
Thomas Howard
And not be refitted in a reasonable time?
Kevin Flores
True, fellow Westerner! Russians can't hope to compete with the progressive & humanist forces of Western alliance, the guardians of liberty and freedom across the globe. They should just admit their retrograde ways are inferior, stop opressing ethnic and sexual minorities, and finally embrace the beautiful future.
Blake Morales
They didn't have a naval nuclear reactor powerful enough.
Owen Harris
>Why are vodkaniggers both so incompetent and prideful?
They even have the audacity to blame western countries for the total chaos that followed the collapse of Soviet Union.
Talking about poverty and lack of skill always strikes close to russian heart. Deep inside they know that they themselves caused a steady decline from a somewhat reasonable country of tsarist times, with many achievements...to a communist dystopia, followed by a total collapse where thieves took control.
The irony is that while russian people could make the country a good place, it's always lead by criminals who make it stagnate and become the bottom-dweller of large countries that even gets attacked by smaller nations.
Yelstin screwed them over when he rebelled against Gorbachev.
Asher Butler
Well to be fair the west really did everything to keep the thieves in power (massive campaign contributions to Yeltsin) so that their multinationals could better exploit what was left of the Russian economy.
Nathan Edwards
Yes, no one is even talking about the Kuznetsov because there's nothing to be done right now except for waiting for a concrete plan.
China has no power over Russia whatsoever. Chinese are literally despised here and seen on the same level as Uzbeks and Tajiks. In the Far East the government refuses to give citizenship to any Chinese and their businesses are always closed down and they're deported from there, they can only work in menial jobs such as farming or logging.
What difference does it make? 2 years, 4 years, at the end of the day it makes no difference.
Owen Morgan
>What difference does it make? 2 years, 4 years, at the end of the day it makes no difference. Ah, yes it makes no difference if one of Russia's key naval assets for protecting the SSBN fleet is unavailable.
Thomas Campbell
>Kuznetsov causes more vatnik butthurt They could've just scrapped it in the 90s and no one would've cared really. It would've been just one additional lost piece of equipment to the collapse. They'd just have slavaboos sometimes mentioning how great that carrier was and what could've been. But no, they had to keep that shit.
Now they lost at least 3 aircraft from arresting cable failures (yes they had already lost one before the Syrian war), have shown the maintenance skills of actual niggers, managed to sink its drydock and crash a crane into it, and at best they won't have any carrier for years otherwise they'll have to suck gook dick to get it fixed if the rumors are true. All of this could've been avoided.
Kevin Brown
>forced They sold it willingly by themselves.
James Taylor
>no source >b-but some literally who faggot posted it on his literally who blog without any backup or even alleged official source and little faggot me stumbled over it scavanging for "muh China Russia" on Google 8 hours every day to shitpost on Jow Forums
because they had no other option. thats what being forced into a situation means.
Jackson Mitchell
What's the point of an aircraft carrier when they are arming every single ship, even boats, with Kalibr missiles?
Luis Martin
>What's the point of an aircraft carrier when they are arming every single ship, even boats, with Kalibr missiles?
Because there's nothing to stop the planes sinking the ships.
Adrian Kelly
>What's the point of an aircraft carrier when they are arming every single ship, even boats, with Kalibr missiles?
Someone will just one-up Russia with a similar missile on a plane, killing their navy.
This is a free logistics ticket to any mainland area for western countries who are reacting to Russia's continuing, illegal aggressions towards the west as we speak.
This is just the premise for current year - the development of defensive weapons against russian aggression is continuous and ever-increasing. It's not going to be easy to be a russian warmonger when they have to answer for their aggression against peaceful western countries.
I'm sceptical about any article that goes on and one with "impunity", "inevitability", "impregnable".
Connor Price
It's fun to see all US parties wanting to split China and Russia apart, but all they do is to make them move closer to each other with totally braindead measures like retreating from INF, no matter how much they dislike each other on individual and racial level.
It is as if the US is actually ruled by Chinese and Russian stooges who sabotage geopolitical strategies for the benefit of said powers.
Adam Martin
Why is it so hard to build a drydock? Like just dig a dock nigga put a door at the end to let water through
Joseph Stewart
I ran a scenario with some Chinese DF-26 (anti-ship ballistic missiles) launched from Western China against a Buyan-M in the Caspian Sea. The Buyan couldn’t defend itself and sunk.
Alexander Nguyen
>Even the Russians are bowing to the Chinese dragon Are you ready for the Chinese Century Jow Forums?
Grayson Hernandez
kek
good try falseflagger, but if China wanted to take out a fucking corvette, they would just buy it.
Sebastian Jackson
Retard...
Ethan Lee
this really benefits china. China will grow larger and take that sweet sweet oil from siberia.
Mason Hernandez
According to Ukraine only...
Also if you listen to Peter Zeihan at least once, you would know that China is already dead.
Nathaniel Harris
DRAGONNNNNNNN
Lucas Kelly
Very impressive.
Lincoln Price
Russia is already China's largest oil supplier. And China is Russia's best oil customer.
Russia gets their carrier back in working condition, and China gets a critical tech breakthrough to get their railgun on their warships, which in turn benefits the Russians because the US would move 90% of their assets to Asia, leaving Europe at Russia's mercy like they did with Syria and Afghanistan.
Win Win.
Lucas Stewart
>England completely gone Thank God
Isaiah Martin
Because the PD-50 is Swedish, and Sweden is much closer to Russia, so we can just order another PD-50. Oh there's also South Korea, another great shipbuilder, we could buy a drydock from them too.
And the good news is: China has no railgun, it's all smoke and mirrors. It's like a decade behind the American railgun in terms of development.
Luis Hall
Fewer Island countries = Better earth.
Island powers are historically the most cancerous and most warmongering of them all.
James Barnes
Do you think NATO member Sweden is going to help you? An aggressive, drunken warmonger who threatens its neighbors?
And I wonder why the US didnt put their railgun on a boat like the Chinese, tho. Something's wrong here.
Colton Walker
>It is as if the US is actually ruled by Chinese and Russian stooges who sabotage geopolitical strategies for the benefit of said powers.
Russia and China have aggressive, expansionist policies.
It's inevitable to see the results, thus, it's also only normal to see western countries react to these aggressions.
The point is that when push comes to shove, it's the west doing the shoving and Russia doing the falling down.
You should treat this as a blessing hidden in misfortune. Now, you shall focus more on submarines, and smaller boats for the near term and slowly build up your infrastructure for the following decades.
Christopher Morris
Russia eternally and utterly BTFO.
Why won't subhuman Russhit shitskins and westerns retards simply admit the pure industrial and technical superiority of China?
Elijah Nguyen
Keep posting that pic fatnik. Turned out there was nothing wrong with that tank, just the first time driver keeping the handbrake on
Wyatt Garcia
then why does it need to be towed for a handbrake issue?
Grayson Gonzalez
Because the driver didn't know hot to turn off the mountain brake.
Even if there was something wrong with it, I have no idea what's so spectacular about that, it's a new piece of equipment and some teething problems are to be expected.
Henry Hughes
imbecile. T-14 is in all measure the most superior tank thus far, outclassing even 2A7. ineducable HATOfags will continue spreading rancid propaganda against it because they fear it.
imbecile
Easton Gomez
>Blaming the chinks for accepting foreign investors >Is selling half of Siberia to foreign investors >Has half of their factories owned by Chinese conglomerates >Need to export fuel to the West just to pay the loans to China
Oh Ivan... Never change
Daniel Miller
Now I'm really scared; if I ever encounter a ruski tank, they might just engage the E brake.
Juan Richardson
This picture never fails to make me kek, and im actually Chinese.
