Why exactly are European AA missiles so good? Why can't Russians and Americans catch up?

This board is racist because the Chinese are subhuman.

I'm actually looking forward to Chinese hardware becoming good enough it can compete with the West. It's probably going to happen in 20-30 years.

But right now it's just shitposting and people are tired of it.

friendly reminder that the offset intakes mean Meteor will choke if it turns in certain directions.

>Weren't european missiles also the first to get off boresight

It was pioneered by a South African modification to the French R.550 Magic, called V3 Kukri.
The missile was coupled with a helmet mounted sight system VTAS on the Mirage F1.

British missiles have always been good. We cut many of our aircraft projects in the 1960's in favour of missile systems.

Stop posting drivel. Disengage your national pride and engage your brain.

So its not racist, only humanist,yes?

In which way is it inferior to an AIM-120D?

Wasn't MICA the first one to get hit on target behind it?

120D is good but it's not Meteor. No ramjet, lower top speed, lower agility.

Talking about Chinese missiles, PL-10 seems to have the capabilities of earliest AIM-9X fielded in 2007. So while they are behind NATO it's not a gigantic gap anymore.

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I'm not the user you were replying to but
>But right now it's just shitposting and people are tired of it.
The normal chinkthreads are just some news about a new equipment in the OP and people go from there. Shitpost is and the people who reply seriously. The people who are tired of the shitpost is the same ones who are making it in the first place.

Usual Chinese weapon news include claims of achieving mach 30 under 100G and ability to sink carrier groups in 5 seconds.

meteor is british

AA missiles are obsolete.

Like stealth, tanks and carriers right?

I don't know
But the MICA have an outstanding maneuvrability. So maybe

More like 30% British
No country have a majority in the Meteor program. But the bongs does have the largest part.

You mean during the last 3 seconds of engagement?
It's not a problem though. It is still very manageable and it can pull off a lots of g's
And fyi, during cruise, the missile can bank to turn in order to maintain the air intake nice and fresh.

>No country have a majority in the Meteor program. But the bongs does have the largest part.

You literally just described what a majority is.

Funding may have been spread around but the missile is designed and built by the UK team at stevenege.

No it doesnt, stop making things up.

Meteor needed to demonstrate that the intakes do not cause any issue before the missile was accepted.

Because they'll never get used so it's perfect.

Those aren't even German missiles, autist.

Isn't IRIS-T the only German missile Euros use?

Except for the ad hominem, you are right
It is a collective European effort and no country could have done it by themselves

iirc this is also mostly done by the shitposters (again like ).

Not an ad hominem if it's true

And the Taurus, and the PARS3. At least just from the top of my head.

I'd like to talk about Chinese equipment too but how the fuck can anyone trust any official Chinese news? We are talking about a country that bans Winnie the Pooh because he resembled their great leader.

>propaganda and lies
>Gets pruned
>a technical marvel that exists and fulfills specifications
>Doesn't get pruned

It's sort of sad that "the other guys" have to use information warfare and imaginary products to compete with the stuff that western countries actually have.

Don't be sad though, the west welcomes all smart and capable russian/chinese people to make profits and to make the world a better place with inventions and ideas, without the fear of dictatorship.

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OK, first of all: source on what you are sayning
Secondly a brief reminder of how a meteor works.
First the boost phase. A purely rocket motor accelerate the missiles from the dropping speed (Mach 0.8 roughly) to a speed where the ramjet can start working (Mach 2). During this phase, the air intake are blocked by some kind of mechanism. The missile will also try to take some altitude if possible.
Then the cruise phase. The air intake are opened and the missile gets to cruising speed at more than Mach 2. During this phase, it will change path by banking to turn. Banking is when you first roll, then pitch, just like a plane. During the cruise phase, the air intakes are well taken care of and they are always in their most favorable conditions. The cruise phase is not very remending regarding maneuvrability as the target is still far away.
Finally, during the intercept phase, the enemy plane will try to outmaneuver the missile, pulling the most g's his plane can take (around 9 for most planes). For the last seconds, the missile will both bank and skid to turn in order to have maximum manoeuvrability. For those last seconds, it may (probably will) happen that one of the air intake will choke. However, this phase is short and the engine still thrusts given that the other air intake wont' choke.
Finally, all that only matters if the missile still have enough propellant once it reaches the enemy.

When you think about it aren't we nearing a point when detected plane = dead plane?

If this thing can really keep thrust 100+ km away and attack at 4.5 mach at those ranges everything is fucked.

It looks like 6th gen planes will need APS or something.

Is the sustainer stage of the engine burn 100% ramjet though? I thought it was an intentionally oxidizer-deficient rocket that used air as both reaction mass for the part of the fuel with oxidizer and as oxidizer for the rest.

There is a difference between the carrier plane picking you on radar and the missile picking you.
One is much more powerful than the other.
Also, even without this, the point of a bvraam is that you shoot it as soon as possible. So if the enemy plane crank back to where it came, it will most likely be safe from the oncoming missile.

>OK, first of all: source on what you are sayning

Nah mate, you made the claim that it stalls, you back up your claim. then we can tear it apart, i'm not wasting my time disproving negatives.

>For those last seconds, it may (probably will) happen that one of the air intake will choke

Except it wont, just look at their placement, it is impossible to block both through movement.

And playing devils advocate, even if it did cut out in terminal, it would still be moving at mach 4 at atctivation with a huge amount of energy left to manover. Far more than an AMRAAM.

>There is a difference between the carrier plane picking you on radar and the missile picking you.
The difference is smaller with the Meteor due to the two-way data link.

All these Chinese "weapons" are just mockups, CGI, or just don't exist.

>Spent 20 years truck to make something marginally better than the amraam

Unironically embarrassing

Well the difference does exist. It comes from the radar.
The two way data link doesn't make the missile on-board radar better. It just makes it easier to pick up the enemy plane since the carrier plane will be telling you exactly where to look at.

Well my point was it wouldn't stall completely. It might be possible for one air intake to stall and choke though, but certainly not both
Maybe that wasn't clear

>All these Chinese "weapons" are just mockups, CGI, or just don't exist.

If you followed chinese armed forces at all you realise how dumb this is. they are easily the most secretive nation on earth when it comes to their military.

>Why can't Russians and Americans catch up?
Both were ahead until recently. Euros use Amraams enmass, because they had nothing like it. Metor is them leaping ahead, but honestly the meteor and the 120D is closer performance wise than euros would like to admit. That said, the 120 series is maxed out while the meteor has plenty of room for growth.

The Americans are going to use the meteor for the interm, but are persueing a different paradigm with far smaller micro missiles. Russians are just trying to stay relevant.

Both intakes feed the one engine.

>The Americans are going to use the meteor for the interm

Got a sauce on that? I thought that US police was to build their own first; it was the reason they rejected Brimstone for a rehash of the hellfires.

When was the last time a European made A2A missile was used in combat?

No, largest but not majority = plurality.

>marginally

Says who? If they really work as advertised (and since more and more counties want them they probably do) it's a very big difference at long range.

Ukrainian crisis?

>AIM-120D is just as good

Yeah, because a missile barely able to keep mach 2 during attack is totally the same as a missile going mach 4.5 with energy to spare.

Polish Grom was used in Georgia. 12 launches 9 hits.

1996, when a Greek Mirage shot down a roach F-16 using an R.550 Magic.

>Grom
Not really an A2A, unless the dude firing it jumped as he pulled the trigger.

a majority is the largest

a majority is more than half.
a plurality is less than half but more than any other part.

>120D is good but it's not Meteor. No ramjet, lower top speed, lower agility.
>lower top speed, lower agility.

[citation needed]

.00003 seconds in Google says your a fucking dumbass

pic related isnt even a missile its a torpedo

The entire point of a ramjet is for higher sustained speed and high delta-v at pitbull.

No it isn't.

Dude, that's the entire point of Meteor.

The point of Meteor was a longer ranged missile than the then AIM-120C, which both Meteor and AIM-120D are by a significant margin.

I wonder if meteor is capable of maximizing velocity in favor over range against a relatively close target.

Can missiles throttle thrust? Yes both ramjets and solid rockets can.

based

>a missile, also known as a guided missile, is a guided self-propelled system
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missile
Technically torpedoes do qualify as missiles.

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Most (non-cruise) missiles can't I believe, but the Meteor can throttle. No one but the developers probably know the optimally efficient velocity in regards to fuel consumption, but I imagine there's a lot of calculations constantly made with data from the two-way data link to adjust speed for range and hit probability depending on relative velocity vector and distance between the attacker, the victim and the missile.

The point of Meteor is longer range and still having energy at that range. Something no other missile can do yet.

Excuse me?

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Go back to your Tong zi dan, Cheng

[citation needed]

>over 3x the weight
>no ramjet

>The point of Meteor is longer range and still having energy at that range. Something no other missile can do yet.
>Turns out this other missile can
>Uh, but it doesn't count because I say so
Fuck off.

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Yeah, I'm sure a 600kg missile will be affecting vs fighters at 100+ km.

Those things exist to fuck bombers, AWACS and cargo planes. And no ramjet still means it's running at fumes at those ranges.

>only ramjets can stage thrust

>Unlike Chinese missile, clearly more impressive and cheaper yet more effective.

Hear, hear!

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More justifications and backpedaling.
>The point of Meteor is longer range and still having energy at that range. Something no other missile can do yet.
>Turns out this other missile can

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Not him but there's an obvious reason xboxheug missiles aren't used for anti-fighter work.

Retaining delta-v for pitbull while being in a small package is what makes the meteor suitable for doing that, and why trying to do it with a 600kg missile thats coasting isn't feasible

you ddn't check, obviously

True, but that's not the point I'm arguing. Phoenix, R-33 and R-37 are designed for a very specific role, but it doesn't mean that R-37 with its Mach 6 speed and up to 400 km range launched at any fighter whatsoever from the same as Meteor's no escape zone range won't be basically guaranteed to fuck it up.

This sentence makes zero sense.

How? Yes, it is designed for shooting down bombers at 400 km range. Having Mach 6 speed and up to 400 km range means that at 1/4th of max range the missile still has immense energy more than enough to fuck up any fighter. Yes, it won't normally be used against fighters, but the point I'm arguing is literally "no other missile can do yet".

That's better, but that's not how it works.

You say this, but you don't make any argument.

The missiles weighs 1,300 pounds.

It also has warhead heavier than an average Japanese camwhore. And?

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>And?
In your opinion, it can structurally, aerodynamically, and physically turn as hard as a 190kg meteor?

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With Mach 6 speed? Absolutely. You seem to have impression on how missiles work borrowed directly from that Osa missile scene from Behind the enemy lines Hollywood movie.

>Absolutely.
Pfffttthahahahhahahahahahahhahaha. Well I guess it breaks the laws of physics, what a superweapon!

You're making no point.

He's not wrong. It's just too heavy.