This is not just a hole in a piece of metal. It is a powerful symbol which says, "We care more about the desires of our enemies than we do about those of generations of our customers and friends."
Fuck Smith and Wesson, and fuck anybody who buys their trash.
Watchu on about user?
>desires of our enemies
user, the company that invented the locking mechanism bought 1990s S&W after they got eyeballs deep in debt. They're not selling out, they're obeying their owner.
In the 1990s, Smith and Wesson began installing integral locks in their revolvers in an attempt to placate Democrats. This lock is known as the Hillary hole, and is still found in Smith and Wesson revolvers to this day. Customers who had used Smith and Wesson revolvers for generations realized they had been betrayed.
You don't get out of debt by alienating generations of loyal customers.
And you are posting this now because? Has been around since the 1990s and we angry now
I've been angry since I became aware of it. I am posting so that others will be aware of it too.
Well thank you for educating me on Hillary's hole. I assume they are never used also like her actual hole
For fuck’s sake, it was 25 years ago. Let it drop already.
People obviously don't care enough considering S&W is still in business and still includes the lock
>2019 is 25 years ago
smith-wesson.com
So what you're saying is what difference, at this point, does it make?
I love that song.
>youtube.com
Aren't they making some models now without the obnoxious Hillary Hole? I've seen several model 642's at the least advertised without them at one of my LGS.
>smith-wesson.com
They came up with it 25 years ago, you mong.
stay butthurt over an additional feature you don't actually have to use
>They came up with it 25 years ago, you mong.
They are still doing it today, you mong.
No, it isn't. They are still manufacturing Hillary holes to this day. I will get over it when they STOP the insanity and go back to making quality, American weapons for serious shooters.
Only double action only snubbies. The triggers are so heavy they take three men and a mule to fire.
That isn't the point. The point is Smith and Wesson takes orders from the enemy.
They still offer models without the lock hole. Sperglar.
Hmm, my 629-5 doesn't have one
What year was it made?
See
do people who make these vides even try anymore?
Hmm, my model 57 doesn't have one
>What year was it made?
I bought it used, CFJ9xxx, so apparently 2002?
It's Classic Champion
>The triggers are so heavy they take three men and a mule to fire.
so not only are you asshurt about a feature that doesn't bother the majority of revolver owners to have on the gun, but you must be a woman to not be able to shoot a DAO snub.
>so not only are you asshurt about a feature that doesn't bother the majority of revolver owners to have on the gun
The fact that it doesn't bother them is exactly the reason why we are losing the culture war on guns. I'll take being asshurt over being a complacent cuck any day.
>you must be a woman to not be able to shoot a DAO snub.
Serious shooters have known for generations that a heavy trigger is an obstacle to good marksmanship. Being a man isn't about brute finger strength. Being a man is about having the discretion to choose a weapon that facilitates good marksmanship rather than impeding it.
That's because of brandfags with no principles.
>feature that doesn't bother the majority of revolver owners
That's an outright lie. I've met a lot of wheelgun guys and I've never met one who had anything good to say about the locks. It's more a resigned "what can you do" feeling. What they generally do is disable that fucking lock when they take the gun apart after purchase to finish the action work S&W doesn't do on their guns anymore.
>it's not a bug - it's a feature
Rumor is they'll be getting rid of it- announced at shotshow.
If that's true I'll be buying NIB S&W revolvers for the first time in over 20 years. Right off the top I'll get one of those 5 shot L-frame 44s and a model 19 carry comp.
There are gonna be a lot of dirt cheap used guns with locks on the market...
They've put them on their first generation M&P pistols too. Those locks are also very easy to remove from them as well.
Ruger tried putting locks in some of their models under the grips. That lasted about 5 minutes before they pulled them due to customer complaints. Heads up if you buy a used LCR though...check under the grips to make sure you're not getting one with a lock. Not sure what other models, if any, might have been part of the failed experiment.
>feature
>shoehorned design flaw that can fail and render entire firearm unoperational
>Smith & Wesson
>Listening to their customers
LMAO!
At this point, defending the offending article just ensures that the thread survives longer and gets more exposure.
OP confirmed has pussy fingers
>OP finally learns about history after accidentally using his phone for something other than porn
Just wait until you figure out what the NFA is. Your mind will be blown.
I feel like that's been the rumor going into shotshow every year for as long as I can remember. It never seems to turn out to be anything more than wishful thinking.
Everyone knows Smith & Wesson is a shit company these days.
Would you stop having an autism attack over this? They've been doing this for over 20 years. Stop beating a dead horse. If the lock bothers you so much, you can literally disable it. And there's a guy now making plugs for them.
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>Chuck Hawks
you can't be serious...
Nice.
agreed. i sold my S&W a few months after buying it, felt like a total cuck and traitor. had to sell that stupid shit and went out and bought a pre-lock. fuck S&W i will never buy a new firearm from them again until they stop this lock shit or at least give options. fuck S&W. also, send them emails every so often to let them know how fucking stupid they are for that shit
>If the lock bothers you so much, you can literally disable it.
it does bother me that much. so i just boycott their products and only buy secondhand S&W prelocks.
their choice, not mine. they want to be faggot idiots and ruin a good thing while losing millions of dollars in revenue, then let them
Then why are you bitching on a Nepalese Egg painting webzone if you’re willing to let them make poor choices?
Losers like you makes me wanna vote to repeal the second amendment
>not buying vintage smiths exclusively
I hope you're boycotting Ruger as well. It's a well known fact that all the big American gun manufacturers suck, which is why the NRA, which is funded by industry money, doesn't do anything to fight the bans on superior imports from Europe, Russia, China, etc.
How hard to remove mag disconnect on s&w 915?
Can anyone tell me why locks are bad? If anything they make it safer to store your weapon out of a safe so a negroid can't steal it and go use it on some toddler. And you don't have to use it when you have the gun in your possession.
Seeing posts like this makes me happy I have a TIG guy.
I don't know how to remove the magazine disconnect and don't really care to. It's probably not very hard tho.
Because they're gay.
To clarify, a holding group that owned the company that makes the locks bought S&W, not the other way around.
Also i don't trust smith because they are in a 10 round mag state and were responsible for .40 ammo. Am i the only one who sees a connection?
Just because Glock BTFO SW by making a .40 first doesn't mean it wasn't a (failed) attempt to get the american LEO marked back.
Also hole or no hole, their QC has been shit as of late, If i want a brand new gun that locks up, has a canted barrel, or has the sight dovetail so loose you can pull it the blade out with your pinky, I'll spend less and buy a Taurus...
old ass story, but yeah
Holy shit dude do you live under a fucking rock or something?
Hey be fair, this is how information gets out. It's not like they are advertising this shit. It took Jow Forums to tell me about the rim binding issue in the 7 shot gp100. I know that's way more obscure than the hillary hole, but i had to learn about that from Yankee Marshall of all people.
>Also i don't trust smith because they are in a 10 round mag state and were responsible for .40 ammo. Am i the only one who sees a connection?
That's the same reason Ruger supported the Clinton AWB.
>I'll spend less and buy a Taurus...
Let's not forget that S&W actually ripped off the Taurus Judge.
I'd like to know what i should buy then. Not disagreeing with you so much as asking for options? Should i be buying Glocks? They don't make revolvers.
There have apparently been instances where the locking mechanism locks from firing.
>That's the same reason Ruger supported the Clinton AWB.
Not sure I follow. I have this conspiracy theory about .40 S&W and the FBI, but I'm not really familiar with Ruger's catalog in the 90's.
why is putting a safety on a firearm a bad thing? are you some kind of insecure faggot who has an eed to have everything be as MANLY and DANGEROUS as possible??
It's bad because it's an additional point of failure and because it's an ugly fucking scar on the sideplate. oh also it was a cowardly capitulation to the Clintons by the British owners of the company. So every time you see that hole in the side of the gun remember brits and globalists don't think you can be trusted with firearms.
Revolvers are a novelty anyway, so you might as well go full meme and buy a Mateba. You can buy whatever you want, but if you've been in the "gun community" long enough, you'll start to notice the constant complaints about S&W, Colt, Springfield Armory, Sig, Remington, Century, etc. Most of the big American manufacturers started sucking once they went public.
Ruger supported the AWB and 10-round magazine limits in the 90's to take out the Mini-14's primary competition, the AR-15.
Why would I boycott Ruger? Bill Ruger is dead, and the company that bears his name is one of the least cucked companies.
You don't store your weapon outside a safe. When it's outside the safe, you keep it loaded and close by. That way, anyone who tries to steal it will eat a lead salad.
>Also i don't trust smith because they are in a 10 round mag state and were responsible for .40 ammo. Am i the only one who sees a connection?
Wait, are you saying they invented .40 so people would buy more low capacity guns?
The idea is that Bill Ruger supported the AR ban so people would buy his mini 14.
It's not a "safety" in the traditional sense that can be flipped on or off by hand. It's a lock that requires a tool to actuate. It's kind of the same concept as the "bullet buttons" they use in Cuckifornia, except it disables the entire gun.
>Why would I boycott Ruger? Bill Ruger is dead, and the company that bears his name is one of the least cucked companies.
Ok so why would you boycott S&W when the whole Hillary Hole debacle was just as long ago as Bill Ruger's transgressions, and they have a different board of directors now?
That's absurd. The AR-15 was not even on the radar in the post-1989 environment. It was the AK-47 and cheap imports. The AR-15 market was not anywhere near the size it was even 10 years ago and the assault weapons ban's intention was far broader than just the AR platform
Imagine going through life looking for things to get angry about.
>Hillary Hole debacle was just as long ago
Because they still make guns with the Hillary hole. It's an ongoing problem. It's not over yet. When Smith goes back to making firearms the way they should be, I will happily buy their products.
>assault weapons ban's
No such thing. Assault is an act. A rifle is a rifle.
>Wait, are you saying they invented .40 so people would buy more low capacity guns?
My theory is that when Glock handed Smith their asses in teh american LEO market in the 80's someone (like maybe Ted Kennedy or whatever.) GOt teh FBI to use the Miami-Dade shooting as an excuse to switch to their new caliber and get the market back. What followed was a Wile E. Coyote style string of failures where the plan continuously backfires. The gist of it is 10 rounds of SW fits in the same space as 15 9mm, and if you mandadte external safeties and mag release safeties you cut Glock out of the market, but we know it didnt work. Glock came out with 22&23 before Smith had a product, then they even managed to sue Smith over the Sigma to the point where they still call part of the Austrian factory " The Smith and Wesson wing."
But just because it didn't work doesn't mean it wasn't tried. In the end, 911 gave every LEO reason to buy everyone AR-15's and glock doesn't make rifles, so the "buy an AR, get a pistol free" promotions finally got Smith back on the map, but everything from the late 80's to then was probably Smith fuckery.
Its just my theory.
Yea, I keep telling them it's my defense rifle, assault rifles have bayonets...
Smith still makes a great striker-fired pistol, but if you want a new revolver you get a Ruger. Everyone should know this.
The point is you shouldn't be using language they created to make us look bad.
>That's absurd. The AR-15 was not even on the radar in the post-1989 environment. It was the AK-47 and cheap imports. The AR-15 market was not anywhere near the size it was even 10 years ago and the assault weapons ban's intention was far broader than just the AR platform
George H.W. was the one who fucked over the imports with the "sporting purpose" and 922r shit. Yes, the AR market was not as big pre-9/11 as it is today, but that's why the Clinton AWB was able to pass. The fudds didn't care about ARs or commie rifles like AKs.
And Ruger is still named after the guy who supported the AWB.
Don't start sucking Ruger's dick just yet, I got my model 5060 back from the repair shop today, lets see if it can go through 2 boxes without locking up. I'll wait till tomorrow b/c range is 1/2 price on Tuesday. Fingers crossed.
it was a joke...
>buying a revolver with cast parts
>And Ruger is still named after the guy who supported the AWB.
I care more about what they DO than a name. Ruger revolvers are not as good as Smith and Wesson revolvers, but Ruger doesn't cuck.
Neither are as good as Italian or French revolvers anyway.
Calm Down
>buying a revolver with cast parts
Are you trying to imply that any Smith & Wesson revolver made within the past 21 fucking years isn't full of MIM parts?
>Ruger revolvers are not as good as Smith and Wesson revolvers
No, they're better. All Smiths really have at this point is a small degree of nostalgia, and in some cases aesthetics. But even that is mostly gone in the newer guns.
ingunowners.com
How to remove the locking mechanism with step by step instructions. You’re welcome.
Has it been 21 years? How old do i have to buy one to get hand fit no lock quality?
>S&W, Colt, Springfield Armory, Sig, Remington, Century, etc
Don't forget Kimber, which was driven into the ground by the current (((CEO))) of Sig.
>Are you trying to imply that any Smith & Wesson revolver made within the past 21 fucking years isn't full of MIM parts?
I'm sure they are, but I never suggested anyone buy anything from S&W.
It's really not that big a deal.
>want cool stylish old S&W
>see that they have classic version with all around worse build quality, hillary hole, and other unneeded changes
>just buy the actual old ones, every model of which is easily found on gunbroker in good condition
>want cool new S&W
>awful lock takes 20 minutes to remove if you own three tools
>awful hole can be filled with an aftermarket plug
I know it sucks, but you can always buy nice old revolvers or fix the new ones when you get them if you really dig S&W aesthetics. If I didn't get the hardest dick thinking about the old S&Ws I'd just buy Rugers.
He's Glenn Beck off of his meds and shitposting on the only website that hasn't banned him yet.
>back before i knew better i bought a hillary hole 686+ thinking it was a cool feature and actually used it a few times
>first gun so i'll never sell it
Roast me.
>How old do i have to buy one to get hand fit no lock quality?
You go to Gunbroker and type in "MR73" if you want a good revolver.
states still have 10 round limits, by your own logic you're just a crybaby.
>Has it been 21 years?
I've read it was around 1997 that most new guns implemented it, if that's not the case then it's at least very close. In any case they've doing it roughly as long as most of the posters on this board have existed. Honestly I'd trust a good investment cast part over even a good MIM part, yet no one who bitches about the Rugers having cast frames ever seem to mind all the MIM small parts in their Smiths. Fucking retards.
Also I think they started putting locks on them around '00-'01.
>I'm sure they are, but I never suggested anyone buy anything from S&W.
Not everyone has the money or frankly the desire to shell out $3,000 for a revolver that probably won't last any longer than a GP100 - the Korth Mongoose is pretty as fuck though, even with those Hogue grips. If you were talking about an older Smith, even they aren't as durable as a comparable Ruger of any vintage.
>states still have 10 round limits
Does Ruger, as a company, advocate that today?
dont touch me there
Bet there were big babies crying about the first manual safeties put on guns too
>don't like it, dont use it.
>Bet there were big babies crying about the first manual safeties put on guns too
No, that bullshit is actually an extremely recent phenomenon...like, within the last decade and a half just about. And 30 years ago most people would have thought it completely insane for cops everywhere to be packing pistols with the trigger qualities of a Glock that had no manual safety.
its the nra, not the ira
national. not intercontinental
You tell me.