Historical examples of conventional armies beating insurgents

IRA guerrillas still lost

Is that why the RUC got replaced by the PSNI and the PSNI has a quota for catholics?

IRA goal was to unify North Ireland with Ireland, which didn't happen. This is like saying the South won the Civil War because there are Southern politicians.

Did your dumb nigger ass just call the native americans fuckin' insurgents?

Have you just never heard of the Comanche or Apache you inbred

Who were they rebelling against? A government that wasn't their own, that they never agreed to follow, that came and squatted on their land?

>Boers had no heart in their cause
They literally only lost because the eternal anglo was mass murdering women and children

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I mean it does make sense.

The difference in Vietnam was that the Viet Cong were largely being supplied by Soviet fucking Russia.

The other major issue was that they kept retreating into Cambodia, and the war became a giant issue of public favor vs actual strategic combat. If we let loose it would have been a shitshow for the VC but faggots all cried so we couldn't.

Fuck off lefty pol. You faggots are the ones always going
>hur dur Vietnam American fuckin shits USA sucks
>oh btw you pissants couldn’t do shit on your own home turn
Fuck you, go die in a fire

Indonesian confrontation
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesia–Malaysia_confrontation

Lots of people forget that Britain, Australia and to a limited extent the U.S. had been fighting counterinsurgencies in against communist guerillas in Southeast Asia for a good 10-15 years prior to Vietnam.

Both sides of the issue (Pro-insurgent and Pro-government) often oversimplify things to a degree that would ensure failure.
Two very important things to remember:
1. An insurgency fighting alone, without a larger sponsor, is practically doomed to suffer overall failure.
Every citizen having a rifle is useless on the large-scale unless you can organize, communicate, and deploy to areas. You will also need ways to counter heavier weapons like aircraft and armor if the conflict escalates That means capturing them or convincing people with them to support you.
2. A government that is being merciless against an insurgency and deploying its full arsenal has already lost the public's support. Cracking down too much can result in defection within the military and even more civilians taking up arms on the side of the insurgents. You cannot hold ground or change peoples minds with explosions, so the idea that "We have fighters, tanks, and nukes" is pointless as an advantage to a government trying to prevent a full-blown civil war.

In successful insurgencies and guerilla campaigns, there is a force that is being propped up, trained, and supplied by someone else with a lot more resources.
An example: The Viet Cong lost in the Vietnam War (the rice farmers did not push back the US military), but ultimately the conflict was won by the North Vietnamese Army- which was supported in various forms by the Soviet Union, Warsaw Pact, and China. In that larger conflict, the VC served as a harassment and intelligence force and that was an important role. However, it alone is not enough to overthrow a government or win decisively on the battlefield. An unconventional force almost always needs to be paired with a conventional force and the times where an insurgency was successful without that larger backing are few in number (and probably subject for debate of if they were truly successful or without help.)

>>every righteous God-fearing American would take up arms immediately.
Doubtful...muh futball game and internetz

Are you nuts? Iraqi insurgents (Fedayeen militia) merely morphed into ISIS after the US buggered out.

Fedayeen were loyal to Saddam. Insurgents were a mix of people depending on the group, some who would have fought Saddam if they had a chance in the past. ISIS itself was more the Al Qaeda branch in Iraq growing into its own thing and then expanding into other nations when uprisings started. ISIS is inherently opportunistic and are any of the former Ba'athists who joined the group simply to put their skills to use against the American-backed Iraqi government.

they lost and then morphed into the side that lost again? good for them I guess

The irony here being Northern Ireland may vote to join the rest of Ireland if this stupid Brexit shit goes through. They voted overwhelmingly 55.8% to stay in the EU.

Exactly what FLN and PIRA and the Viet Minh and every other nationalist insurgency would say they were doing.

The Indian wars are a perfectly good case study in low intensity warfare.

ISIS was grounded by the remnants of the SOI after the Maliki government refused to pay them.

>God-fearing American
So something that doesn't exist anymore? Or is a diabetes-ridden blowhard boomer?

>N. Ireland
That is pushing it.

>Iraq war

Are you fucking stupid?

How did Britain not win in the troubles dipshit? How the fuck was Iraq not a clear US victory

Rome was pretty good at this for a few centuries.

>Iraq War
>conventional armies beating insurgents

The war isn't even over you nigger.

>North Ireland troubles

Strongly depends on your point of view. The fact that the IRA was able to fight the British to enough of a draw that it had to negotiate the peace rather than force it could be seen as a victory all on its own (you talk to a lot of Ulsterites, they'll tell you that they fear an eventual Catholic takeover).

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>How the fuck was Iraq not a clear US victory

Ask the dead, or their families, or their friends.

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Boer War wasn't won by conventional armies, unless you consider mass interment and salted earth "conventional".

>much more capable and resiliant than any illiterate mud peasant

Achmed has known nothing but poverty and hunger his entire life and the only thing he's ever owned was a goat and an AK, and the goat just got killed by a US airstrike. You really think the average American would be more resilient than that?

>people died so it wasn't a victory
So the USSR lost WW2?

Are you retarded?

>A bunch of retards on this board seem to think they could win against the US in a civil war because of their AR

No you fucking moron, we win the Second Civil War by using the AR to obtain the M16, the M16 to obtain the Humvee, the Humvee to attain the Bradley, the Bradely to obtain the Abrams, the Abrams to obtain the F-18, the F-18 to bomb the White House.

The militiaman with his AR-15 is merely the first step in the struggle.

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>dixiefag
OH NO NO NO NO

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The USSR won World War II by conquering Germany. Your argument is entirely fixated on the fact that US won the invasion, while it failed miserably in virtually every other goal afterward or only achieved it at extreme and unnecessary cost in blood and treasure. Claiming the US won the Iraq War because Saddam got rolled over is equivalent of saying Germany won WWII because it managed to overrun Poland in 30 days, completely disregarding that it directly set off the chain of events that led to Nazi Germany's destruction.

No, Neocon fanatics like you are retarded because you'd rather delude yourselves than accept that your warmongering is running us all headlong off a cliff

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Oh boy, the red-headed incestuous pyromaniac, that's fresh and original.

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>all of the Muslim terrorists are poor and desperate

That's literally contradicted by the head honcho of AQ himself. This man came from a family that had everything, and he was willing to throw it all away because he believed in something. Now, his views and methods were reprehensible, there's no arguing about that, but believe in them he did. And his example has inspired countless others to take his place.

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Eternal anglo is best at defeating insurgencies they've been doing it for centuries.
Mutts should of listened to them when they said don't disband Iraqi army. You suck at this kind of warfare.

>The US didn't win the Iraq war
Uh oh retard alert

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Another one too add the Malaysian Second Communist Insurgency. (1972-1989)

Are you for real what part of his comment said they lost?

UH OH RETARD ALERT.

Literally kill yourself beta this isn't the board for people like you

>55.8%
>overwhelmingly
Well, perhaps just "somewhat whelmingly."

>ur country bad at fighting guerillas
>ignores the fact the US beat guerrillas in Iraq
Based retard

>Kenya Emergency 1952-1960

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Never said they lost though you fucking based nigger.

Somalia, Vietnam you suck at guerrilla warfare. Face it without airpower you would crumble beneath the vootless feet of peaseants

>Cyprus Emergency

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based retard

>Dhofar

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>Palestine

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If this nigga keeps posting pics of bongs putting paid to colonial uprisings we will be here all night.

Say again?