Was browsing Youtube and came across this in the related videos.
How does Jow Forums feel about felons and guns? Should a felon be barred from their 2A rights for the rest of their life? Should they get them back after serving their time? Case by case basis, if so under what circumstances?
Case by case, if you use guns to commit your crime then you're barred from owning them again save BP.
i was linked that too i thgink that fucker paid for his shit to be advertised. googled him and it told me he did some dumb GANG shit ( idc that sounded pretty fun to me) but thenn it also said he raped some girl as a bouncer.
so no hes a subhuman mongoloid and he shouldnt have access to even that black powder relic if you ask me.
If an individual has served his or her debt to society. (Whether it be through fines, imprisonment, or other means.) Then their rights should be reinstated to full. If we feel they have not fulfilled their debt or are otherwise deemed not worthy to reenter society completely, then we shouldn't be releasing them.
If they're on parole, then they've not completely reentered society. But once they're no longer on parole, all their rights should be restored.
That dude is a larper, and an actual rapist.
Greg Tambone is a rapist, felon, and a chronic bullshitter. He moves around doing "security" work so he can't be extradited back to the US.
He also carries a karimbit, so you can add "retard" to that list too
You realize it's not a question of moral obligation regarding rights but it's a question of a system that profits off of people by sending them to jail for non crimes, right?
A prison sentence was never about "serving debts to society" it has always been about collecting fines and supporting the for profit private prison system.
Never make exception or they will abuse those exceptions. Guns for all no exceptions
Yeah I'm not letting a man who murdered three people in cold blood pull the wool over my eyes that he's a reformed jesus boy because some nigger lawyer wanted to get paid.
No because 80% of offenders are repeat offenders.
if they have served their debt to society, are reformed, and no longer a threat to others they should be released with all their rights restored. if they aren't they shouldn't be let out of jail or alive.
Violent crime no, committing crimes with firearms, no. You already had the opportunity and fucked it up, you don't get another chance to do it again.
That will never happen. People don't go to jail to reform and get out all happy and shit. People go to jail for bullshit crimes and legitimate crimes alike and never come out reformed nor are they treated as reformed purely because society degrades them and they can never occupy valuable positions ever again.
And how do you know that man was not put in for somthing arbitrary such as illegal firearm ownership. They used the gun in the crime do they are liable by your definition
No shit they don't, but this is asking for our opinions, it kinda follows that this is idealized, not actual.
You got busted smoking crank, didn't you?
If they don't want to be degraded when they come out then maybe that shouldn't be human pieces of garbage like, murders, rapists, drug dealers et cetera
Google. Reformation doesn't happen in prison save a few cases of extreme outliers. Psychs do bullshit classes to satisfy themselves while prisoners follow the dog and pony show to potentially get an earlier parole so they can go back to doing the same old shit.
Heinous crimes should be punishable by death, everyone else should have all of their rights restored upon release (after parole)
Dumb bootlicker. Not that user but crack should be legal like all drugs.
That pic is fucking sad. Just let the man die.
I never questioned your statement schitzo and you never adressed mine.
Poster confirmed nigger. I work in a state prison and 99.99% of those fuckers should have been shot in the head
1. If all drugs were legal, nobody would smoke Crack.
2. I said "Crank," cheap meth.
3. I didn't say he should be arrested for bein a druggie, just asking if he was.
This fella has the right idea.
Because you're retarded? Your idealized sheltered view of the world is not reality. Reform doesn't happen in prison, it's just a quota to look good.
>oh we reformed x number of inmates give us a banner to hang on the wall
So they send the same shitasses who committed the crime back to the same environment they were picked up in to commit the same crimes. If you are a violent felon you should not have your firearms rights restored because you willingly bit the hand that feeds in the first place. Which doesn't really matter because the number of violent felons or parolees that get access to firearms is astounding.
>BTFOd so hard you have to accuse other people of being druggies in an attempt to deflect
Classic bootlicker tactics
>I work in a state prison
thank you for your service, pig
Enjoy being the most hated individual on the planet. Too many people are in jail for noncrimes such as drug possession.
This. I've watched a dozen of his videos and he legit seems like a larping fag. Not to mention his shit that ye sales is priced high as fuck. Cant lie though, I will sift through his vids now and find the ones with females in it because he does have some hot 10s in em.
I never questioned reform user. I never once questioned it. Go to a doctor, you either can't read or are mentally ill.
Why don't we just release all of the murders, rapists, and pedophiles while we are at it.
So then why should violent felons be allowed to own guns if they're not reformed despite being allowed to re enter society you blithering idiot?
Because they denied others their liberty for their own enjoyment rather than a druggie who exercised his own liberty with no impact on anyone but himself.
I never questioned violent felons you dense motherfucker. Can you even read.
If they're not reformed, we shouldn't be letting them re-enter society.
If our prisons aren't reforming people, then they're fundamentally broken.
Habbibi, we were BOTH agreeing with you. This thread was a question of "Should" not a question of "Does"
In North Dakota you get your rights back 5 years after completing parole/probation. 10 years if the crime was violent. You can also petition for your rights to be restored before the waiting period is up.
Only one incident comes to mind where a guy was convicted of manslaughter (pled down a murder) got his rights back 20 years later and had a shootout with the Fargo PD.
Other than that, seems to work.
Yeah you asked how information was recorded on an individual who was put through the system. It's called a computer. Been a thing for a while now, matter of fact you're using one right now.
You litterally can't read.
Yeah that doesn't cash checks for lawyers. No one gives a fuck if a prisoner is reformed or not. Prison shrinks can fellate each other over a job well done, prisons can get recognition for their turnover rate even tax incentives and no one gives a fuck. This isn't lala land.
>how do you know
Generally in the paper or online the nature of people being released from prison. This information is kept track of through several state and private departments. This is also on the convicts personal record which would show up at the time of a FFL transfer. Is that the answer you're looking for? Or are you wondering if there's some sort of scouter out there that you can wear that shows the comprehensive background of every person you pass just by looking at them?
I don't care who the video is about.
If you served time in jail for a felony
you did your time
plain and simple.
Felony usually carries with it STIFF time in jail.
You did your time. Once you are out you are a FREE MAN or WOMAN PERIOD. End of Story.
FREE MEN and WOMEN are entitled to ALL of their RIGHTS. The fact that this corrupt government denies them their RIGHTS is a disgrace.
there is no middle ground
Sorry that you have to go to jail for the violent felony of racism, please enjoy your stay and remember your a felon for life!
> Reformation doesn't happen in prison save a few cases of extreme outliers
>approximately 30% of violent offenders hat no been rearrested inside of 5yrs
nij.gov
Read through every line of our arguement and realize you have me confused with another user. I didn't expect a bootlicker to be this retarded, but i should of.
that's why we go case by case, which is what the first guy said we should do
the fuck else can you do unless you want some lawless free for all? there's a difference between freedom and anarchy
Honestly this. If we can't trust them to vote or own guns, why should we trust them owning cars or running around in open society? If they are such bad people that it's impossible to trust them doing civic rights, just keep them locked away or execute them.
Jesus fuck you're beyond hopeless.
>use a gun in your crime
>it goes on your record
>record is pulled at the time of firearm transfer
>get told no because you used a gun
Not that hard to comprehend, well you're the exception.
Ideal systems aside, how often do felons get a pardon to own firearms again? Is it something common, rare, dependent on state, dependent on circumstances? I have a friend who was busted for moving weed with intent to distribute, and he's into guns, and it'd suck if he could never own one again.
And here i thought schizo posting was just the newest meme. What do you call that effect where you learn about something and start seeing it everywhere?
30%? That's some abysmal fucking numbers right there.
>The brice of freedum is denying citizens der rightus
The absolute state of bootlicking faggots. Dont you realise when you have a case by case basis that they always add more and more cases, its the same as the nfa leading to the ban on "assault" weapons.
Samefagging.
I could get behind case by case, but I guess it depends on who is in charge of it.
If it gets left to the states it will wind up like CCW permits. You'll wind up with states like NY and CA saying "Yes, you can apply to have your rights restored" but it will be essentially a joke with only a tiny fraction of people actually approved.
>extreme outlier
>1/3
bruh
>own assault rifle illegally
>get put in jail for owning an assault rife
>crime comited involves using guns
>get denied my constitutional rights because i exercised my constitutional rights
>everybody's out to get you edition
>extreme outlier
Where the fuck was that said? It's just abysmal, a fancy word for bad since you weren't aware of its definition.
Keep away schizo I'm not falling for your tricks.
Therein lies the problem. Too many dangerous people who committed heinous offenses are given wrist slap punishments. It's not even about felons vs misdemeanors. Certain crimes are deserving of life sentences without any chance of parole, or even the death penalty, but many judges will let them go on probation or only months or a couple years imprisonment.
>child sex offenders incl. porn
>murder or attempted murder
>terrorism or aiding/abetting terrorists
>rape
>kidnapping/hostage taking
>treason
>assaults resulting in serious permanent bodily harm (acid attacks, mutilation, paralysis, blindness, brain damage, coma, etc)
>torture
>human trafficking/enslavement
I don't care about them having "served their debt". The system is broken by letting any of these people go free ever again. The last thing they deserve is the ability to walk into a gun store and buy a firearm.
Schitzo.
I think once a person is let out of prison, if they aren't on parole or probation, they should have all of their rights back.
He apparently had been attacked by two cars filled with ‘gangsters’ and used a handgun to defend himself.
I got recommended this too. Idk what is going on, but from the surface he at least has moved on enough to where he is responsible enough to own a gun
bonetactical.com
"What we do know is that he was arrested for Aggravated Battery after shooting a man in 2005. According to police reports he was chased down and ran off the road by two car loads of armed men where a gunfight ensued at a gas station. This was the first clear assassination attempt of Mr. Tambone."
jesus this guy is fucking loopy
this was the founders intent. It is a cruel and unusual punishment to suspend a citizens' rights past their sentence.
Even if it means making a 5 year sentence an 8 year prison sentence, it would be morally superior so to return their rights afterwards.
What if there was a "second chance" policy:
Any felon no matter the crime, once released and not under probation/parole, has rights restored. If after that they commit any crime involving a gun their rights are barred forever and the penalty/jailtime is severely increased.
People who are truly reformed, made a bad choice when young/dumb, or got a bad rap will live right and be OK. Those shitbags who want to return to crime will go away for a long time or forever and no more guns.
you fucking idiot, im not even the guy you're posting too but think about the crack head for 5 minutes. 1 what would you do if you family member was doing crack, would you just stand idle and "let them express their rights?" is there somehing in your gut that makes you think "i should help them or that's wrong? bigthink.png 2 crackfiends and directly fund the organized crime which leads to far fucking worse drugs and trades entering an community. 3 you dont think people who go on drug trips commit crime? how many crackheads have committed crimes because of their drug addiction. do you think other drugs cause this? how much wealth is transferred from the addict to the dealer because of the addiction. what kind of culture do dealers have and bring? hint: wholesome is not the answer
4 legalization is acceptable but only if we admit addictions are still bad. Alcohol is bad for you, you dont show up to work drunk, but i enjoy a drink, and even getting drunk among the right people, and at select locations, but everyone agrees alcoholics are bad and need help. dont you think the same is true for other addictions?
So take your fucking stupid idea of "i smoke pot, taken shrooms, and nearly bough LSD once and havn't died so all drugs are cool, no step on snek amiright :^)" and shove it up your degenerate ass
The problem is that to even go to jail you need to have done some really shitty things on numerous occasions.
What first time prisoners will not tell you, along with their supporters/lawyers/journalists, is that prior to them getting busted for a "Minor" crime they had multiple cautions, court appearances, cases dropped for whatever reason and numerous run ins with the police. These are not people who suddenly come under the influence of the criminal justice system.
Ive never done a drug in my life and I would respect my familys right to choose what they do in life instead of telling them what I think they should do. Fuck you, my brother died from cocaine due to his heart issues, and i still beleive it was his right. I despise people like you.
I agree. If someone is too dangerous for society then they should not be in it whether through jail or firing squad. If your allowed to mingle in society you should have same rights as anyone else. Cant fix your life if theres a stigma of being a subhuman.
Then dont let them back in to society if they done fucked up.
100% truth
this guy is a moron. every thing he is concealing there is illegal to conceal without a license in florida, regardless of whether o not a felon can own it.
He seems exactly like the kind of person that gets himself into these kinds of "self defense" situations.
>lied about being a veteran to sell more knives
>numerous violent criminal charges over his entire life
>ran a fake charity through gofundme
>claims the gubberment is framing him for everything
>literally hides out in honduras working some sort of security contracting
I don't think it's right for felons in general but that guy might just deserve an exception.
>Florida CCW License applies to all weapons, not just firearms
>Oh, I know, I'll make a video showing myself concealing multiple weapons as a known ex-con with no CCW License
>Surely, this is a good idea.
>skull on the hat
>skulls on the shirt
>skull on the fanny pack
>tribal tattoo
Dude's a walking sterotype, lmao.
>literally hides out in honduras
This. Not restoring rights upon completion of the debt is just a way of saying there’s an infinite debt that you can never pay back. It’s unjust.
C.S. Lewis has a superb essay on it - youtube.com
If the offense is egregious enough that they cannot pay it back ever, (1st degree murder, treason, etc) then that’s what the death penalty is for.
>inb4 felon
Not even a misdemeanor or traffic ticket.
For me it depends on the crime, rapists and kiddy diddlers should automatically be exempt from ever getting back their rights. Because fuck you, a person unable to control their own urges doesn't belong within normal society much less own a firearm. Anybody else on the other hand should get a 5-10 year grace period. If they stay out of trouble and prove themselves as a productive member of society than they should have their gun and voting rights re-instated.
I think felons should get back their rights after serving their time, but I don't think it should be an automatic thing, i.e. rights shouldn't be restored for every felon just because they served their time.
Something like this is what I have in mind.
>requires a formal petition to the DOJ
>hearing after the petition is filed where the court ultimately determines whether you're fit to have your rights restored or not
>must have served their sentence completely, i.e. they must also have completed parole after their release and any other conditions of their release
>must've served with good behavior, so no prison fights, contraband, etc.
>preference given to non-violent, non-repeat offenders and restoration should be granted immediately in those cases
>after that would be people convicted of relatively minor violent offenses like assault in the 2nd/3rd degree, involuntary manslaughter, etc.
>this is so that people that made one bad mistake aren't stripped of their rights for life
>repeat offenders, even if for non-violent crimes, would be automatically barred since they've shown they can't reintegrate into society
>those convicted of especially heinous crimes would be automatically barred, though desu they should've just been locked up for life, to begin with
Of course, that's an imperfect system and could be abused. For one, the courts could take a stance wherein they refuse to grant restoration even if the petitioner has satisfied all the requirements. The other thing is that a lot of times people facing a harsh sentence for a serious crime (like 2nd-degree murder) will plead down to a much less serious crime and a much lighter sentence. On the flip-side, prosecutors might get people to plead down to a lesser crime because they can't guarantee a conviction for higher crime. Honestly, the whole plea deal thing needs to be done away with because it gets abused way too often imo.
what if she was 17 and pulled the lie or fake ID boogaloo? It happens and people get screwed from it.
what if he was an 18y/o highschool senior and she was 17 in the same grade? It's illegal in some states. If Im not mistaken, even if theyre both underage, the older one becomes a sex offender.
Pedophile should be reserved for people that are actually fucking kids and have a large age gap.
OK so they had a string of civil infractions and misdemeanors before getting a felony. And yeah maybe they are somewhat likely to re-offend.
But the point still stands, maybe even make it stricter. Once you serve your time you can have guns back. If you commit any crimes, even as small as having several outstanding speeding or parking tickets, fuck you no more guns. Because no you've proven without a shadow of doubt you are a shitbag who doesn't want to live right.
There will always be cases like this in the criminal justice system. But we can't make laws based on the fringe statistical anomaly cases. If you fall into this category sucks to be you, but no system is perfect. The majority of people that are registered sex offenders deserve to be there.
I agree. Having lifetime felon labels basically tells someone that you're a slave to the system now no matter how hard you try, and Man has stepped in to dictate who deserves what rights, which is a tyrannical means within itself
So it should be illegal to run a diagnostics on a used car then?
It should be case by case basis with non violent felons. Any violent felon crime should be banned from guns forever as it stands.
what about domestic battery cases (non-felons)?
y'know...when a couple argues and the bitch knows she can call the cops and yell "he pushed me" and he goes to jail
people that carry guns are all future felons
Personally I think you should be able to buy guns from vending machines on the street
My cousin got a felon weed charge when he was 18. He's 35 and has been battling to have it expunged since the 10Y mark (since he was 28). Being a dumb kid and smoking pot (he got caught with an ounce, a felony in his state) is no reason to be denied your 2A rights.
My ex girlfriend called the police because I pushed her in self defense (she was throwing hands, punching me). Police came and realized she was lying, I didn't get charged with anything but they took muh guns for a 72 hour "cool off" period because I was involved in a domestic dispute
The guy's a piece of shit
Well, you sure got lucky there- I've heard of men getting arrested for domestic violence because the woman broke her nail while bashing his skull open with a frying pan; and the woman getting no charges. So the domestic violence justification for taking gun rights has been flawed for quite some time now. And for that matter, I support legalizing soft drugs- an ounce is a lot, but in my state, selling without a license has been dropped to a misdemeanor, with a three strike thing. But I cannot see any moral argument to continue the prohibition of soft drugs that are pretty much harmless for adults and not addictive. Only edgelords and spergs seem to support prohibition at this point.
>Only one incident comes to mind where a guy was convicted of manslaughter (pled down a murder) got his rights back 20 years later and had a shootout with the Fargo PD.
guess prison can't fix retarded
I couldn't have said it better myself
If I had the guns I wanted I wouldn't give a fuck who else had them. Let them vote and defend themselves or don't let them out.
I genuinely wouldn't give a shit if that happened and am getting closer to supporting the idea every day.
>When you spend your hard earned credits on a StreetGat™ P20 and the dispense mechanism stops short of the gun falling into the bin but when you try to shake it the Merchandise Protector McIncinerator instantly engulfs you in flames when you do
>daisy hogg
STOP DOING THIS TO MY PENIS
murderers should be dead
Timothy McVeigh was a murderer
>The problem is that to even go to jail you need to have done some really shitty things on numerous occasions.
The exact opposite is true. There are well over 20,000 (nobody knows the exacr number because the group hired by congress to count LOST COUNT) federal laws. Statistically speaking the average american adult unknowingly commits an average 4 felonies a day.
>be CA/NY/ILfag
>inna liquor store cuz Korean
>Tyrone Shoelaces and his homies break in with intent to rob, rape and murder
>shoot funs at them, one dies and the rest run away
>turns out the dead guy was a good boy who didn't do nothing, only 17, needed to steal to pay for college to be an engineer, etc. etc.
>cops arrest you, judge sends you to jail
>15 years in jail, no guns forever
Go to the rooftop they said.