Post compound blueprints, how2 instructions, and bunkers
Bunkers and Fortitications
Julian Foster
Andrew Collins
Will building contractors take up an underground house project? I want somewhere to last.
>tornado or bombs drop
>just stay home lmao, just like a blizzard
Also, burying a shipping container is stupid. They can't take more than a few inches of soil without certain construction, and even then acidic soil will do you no favors.
Isaac Brown
>shipping containers
The paint on them will give you cancer too.
And it really depends on the contractor and the area youre trying to do it in. Sometimes you need an engineer for that shit.
Anthony Cruz
Oh shit, it's been a VERY long time since I saw this kind of thread. I'll get my USB, I don't have very much but I'll dump.
Jonathan Rivera
Kevin Martin
Anthony Bailey
Caleb Harris
I love these threads
Connor Rivera
Lincoln Myers
Tyler Ramirez
Joseph White
Jaxon Myers
That's all I have here folks, will dump if I have something on my hard-drive tomorrow.
Samuel Hall
Based and saved. Thanks BunkerAnon.
Ayden Bailey
Fuck yea man thanks
Zachary Gutierrez
You're dead, go home Hoxha.
Christopher Ortiz
Fuckoff faggot
Jose Gutierrez
I like rammed earth
Just have have to find my ideal design and find proper thickness to give most protection
Christian Rodriguez
are you on a hill or a plain? what the topography
Dylan Bailey
Just wake up, will boot up my pc to see if I have something on it
It's a pleasure
Austin Hughes
Liam Hughes
Permanent fortifications are not obsolete whatsoever and it has been in the corrupt oligarchs interest to convince the public that permanent fortifications are fundamentally forever obsolete.
Jayden Brown
there's a simple way to prove them wrong. if it can stop tank fire / missiles, it works
the main reason they stopped building castles hundreds of years ago was because cannon fire was able to break down the walls and instead of improving on castle designs, they just fucking gave up on them like a bunch of autists. also it would probably be a good idea to keep the castle air tight in case of gas attack
and as a side note. if we would've just kept using castles and big walled borders we wouldn't be worrying about niggers and jews and muslims right now.
Nicholas Phillips
I have some more
Gavin Powell
Adam Nguyen
Colton Flores
Yup seems logic but are Vauban fortification considered as castle ? They seems able to stand up against "modern" canoon fire ?
Jack Russell
Julian Hernandez
Daniel Watson
Matthew Smith
When shtf I'm driving out there and claiming that property. Live 15 minutes away. Don't care who owns it at this point, I'm turning it into a water slide.
Juan Peterson
There's a fort that was built in the 1880s near my town, gonna go see what's left of it this afternoon
Anthony Phillips
William Moore
If there are fortification in decent state; take lots of photos for me user, please.
Connor Adams
Gabriel James
Yup that's all I have.
Ryan Brown
>instead of improving on castle designs, they just fucking gave up on them like a bunch of autists.
They never gave up, The castles just stopped looking and operating on the same principles that older castles did.
A castle is by definition more then just a military structure it was also a residence for the administration which is a civil organization.
Cooper Allen
Posting some underground costal artillery
12 cm m/70 first
Hunter Ward
Can I live in this? Looks comfy.
Noah Brooks
Turret of an old tank (Strv m/41, aka Pzkpfv 38t) beeing used to defend the Tullinge air base in the 70's. The base also had underground aircraft hangars.
Jose Miller
Tankfags think they're so cool. I'll show them.
Hudson Watson
This is the best I could do, with all the snow and not knowing the place I pussied out of going across the bridge and inside
Matthew Brown
I'll go back in Summer and take more photos
Eli Perez
Might aswell contribute to this thread by posting some pics of these tank traps being tested.
Jackson Price
Underground naval base at Muskö
Josiah Diaz
Bentley Foster
I always found these rudimentary log bunkers to be somewhat comfy looking.
Andrew Taylor
>Will building contractors take up an underground house project?
why would they do that? contractors who build normal buildings don't have the tools or knowledge to construct hardened underground fortifications. do people who work at mcdonald's know how to make taco bell food?
Ian Cruz
where was this? Looks super comfy.
Carson Jackson
Probably northern France somewhere.
Thomas Garcia
Eastern France, close to the 1870-1918 border. After the 1870 war the government thought the Germans would come back for more so they built a lot of forts in the area in the 1870s and 1880s. They ended up never being used because the frontline was further East in WW1 in this area. By 1915 they had already removed most of the guns to use them at the front.
This one was army property until a few years ago when they sold it to someone. As far as I know the guy is lending the site to an airsoft club and in exchange the guys from the club help with the repairs and restoration of the fort. I feel bad about not going in but I have vertigo and not seeing the state of the bridge under the snow fucked with my brain
Joshua Brooks
>airsoft
Well, at least you can still walk around in it. Better than it just sitting there slowly deteriorating.
Jacob Ortiz
>no bunkerbro images
Evan Peterson
Eli Morris
Aiden Diaz
hopefully there is a 2nd way out?
Jonathan Kelly
A fortification in the format of a battleship turned out to be very effective, Why wouldn't a fortification in the format of an aircraft carrier not be even more effective?
Adam Phillips
More
Lucas Ward
What class of sub is that?
Ian Gutierrez
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Jayden Cook
I recognize that gay blowjob!
Thats RRGC Rockan in Sweden. An old radar monitoring station sold off to some private companh like 10 years ago.
Dylan Richardson
Ill post more when I get home
Either a Gotland class or Västergötland class.
Wyatt Foster
>fortification in the format of an aircraft carrier
They're called airbases, user.
Landon Cruz
An airbase is fundamentally not like an aircraft carrier, Nor can you describe them as a fort, fortress, or fortification.
Sure an airbase may be fortified against attack but an airbase isn't designed to endure a siege like a permanent fortification is supposed to.
Nolan Gomez
>Nor can you describe them as a fort, fortress, or fortification.
>Sure an airbase may be fortified against attack but an airbase isn't designed to endure a siege like a permanent fortification is supposed to.
But thats where you are wrong kiddo
Matthew Ross
If were going to call underground hangers airbases we might as well start referring to aircraft carriers as airbases as well because what defines an airbase at that point.
Also underground hangers as far as I know are all built into mountainsides rather then flat ground which restricts where they can be built and what their format is.
Asher Watson
Well, an aircraft carrier is a floating airbase if anything. And yes, all that I have heard about is built into mountains, because its far easier to move a runway then it is to move a mountain.
Camden Collins
A fortification in the format of an aircraft carrier would certainly have a CATOBAR runway as the primary means of serving aircraft, That alone would make its operation very distinct from that of an airbase or underground hanger.
Jonathan Foster
Distinct yeah, but still really useless compared to a regular airbase. You want to have your shit spread out over a larger area to avoid it all beeing fucked if you come under attack. Not to mention that operations are far slower on a carrier then on a conventional base.
David Reed
Whether an airbase in aircraft carrier format is less useful then a conventional airbase is wholly dependent on politics, I am also sure an aircraft carrier's operation speed is shockingly close to a conventional airbase when all things are considered.
Quantifying how dispersed or concentrated permanent fortifications should or will be isn't straight forward, The central aircraft fortress will be a monolithic structure but all other fortifications which support it like a would be super dispersed.
Aircraft carriers never operate alone but as part of a carrier strike group, Therefor a fort which follows the format of an aircraft carrier must also have fortifications which fulfill the same roles that the other ships in a CSG do.
For example a full size runway would fulfill the role that supply ships do in a CSG while completely buried and hidden bunkers take the role that the attack submariner do.
Asher Walker
Submarines is for launching torpedos and detecting other subs. Why would you even want to try to replicate that on land? Most modern airbases alredy have fortified structures, like command centers and HAS, but there is a reson why nobody builds a concrete aircraft carrier.
Benjamin Long
In a CSG the submarines importance isn't its ability to launch missiles and torpedos but its ability to remain undetected, On a land CSG the "submarines" would exist for the operation of disposable remote weapon systems and C2 coordination.
Care to explain to me how permanent fortification are actually less dependent on politics then any another branch of the military? As far as I can tell it's politics and not technology that stops people from building new permanent fortification.
John Morgan
I'm really digging those hesco walls in between the tents to help compartmentalize artillery impacts. Kinda aesthetic.
Isaiah Davis
Use large diameter steel culvert, and build to suit inside.
Jack Baker
Finally, a good fucking thread
Brandon Barnes
It really is technology tho. Fortifications, like command centers and HAS is built, because in those cases its viable. Building an entire airbase a single large concrete block is extremly expensive, and fucking retarded as it can still be penetrated by a regular bunker buster.
Caleb Reed
regardless of who builts your underground home, make sure there are no water related problems, groundwater and poor drainage of rainwater may fuck up everything you had planned
Nathan Wilson
3 kinds of building
1 totally underground
good protection but hardest to build most expensive and hardest to live in and little in the way of a way to attack on an enemy. this is more like building a space ship then a house when you get down to it,
2 mostly underground
most fortifications are this, 2/3 or the protection of totally underground at 1/2 the cost and can let you shoot back and get fresh air OPs pic is of this kind as well as most of the military fortifications posted up till this time
3 built up fortification
armor or stone walls or even just a good barrier to slow or stop enemy's movement this is the cheapest and simplest kind to build and can be disguised to hide its true nature
Liam Martinez
Brandon Smith
this is good for grenades
but its better for keeping your feet dry
Adrian Wood
Gavin Stewart
Nicholas Hernandez
Bentley Anderson
Lucas Allen
remember that an atomic bomb may or may not detonate near you and an enemy may or may not attack you, bit the weather will always be fighting you and the nature of soil and rock and water will not care and time is on its own side and money doesn't grow on trees. protect yourself from them first in any fortification.
Tyler Cook
>as it can still be penetrated by a regular bunker buster.
You see that is just plain factually wrong unless you start talking about nuclear bunker busters, With how strong concrete is getting that might be the only way to destroy a monolithic concrete fortification in a single strike. That's important because a modern fortification isn't going to allow you the ability to fly the number of sorties or aircraft to safely or quickly defeat it from the air if at all. So if deploying nuclear weapons is the only way to defeat a fortification in a short time span then the fortification is militarily viable and effective but that doesn't ensure it's politically viable.
Jayden Ross
where is this beautiful construction?
Daniel Allen
These threads make me wanna buy a backhoe
Kevin Cox
Does anyone have ma clue when or where general Patton stated "'Fixed fortifications are monuments to man's stupidity."?
Jaxon Ortiz
It's now property of a /diy/ user. He used to make sweet threads.
Liam Martin
Mason Thompson
Yeah, so what? You can now destroy it with a single nuclear weapon at best? There are airbase designs out there that ar built to survive a single nuclear attack. Not to mention the fact that for the cost of one of your fortified airbases you could probably build five dispersed fields to spread your forces around. And just like that your opponent needs at least five nuclear weapons to take out the same ammount or aircraft.
North Korea was building an airbase sort of the way you want it, with everything, hangars, fuel, ammunition storage, barracks and even the fucking runway under a mountain. Even they realized it was fucking retarded and stopped it in favor of a larger ammount of dispersed fields with separate fortified areas for single aircraft or a large aircraft hangar deep inside a mountain.
I feel like you are trying to do what Hitler wanted with the La Coupole, instead of using multiple mobile launch sites.
Above ground fortifications is just not viable when they get above a certain size, especially in the western world where construction works in general has become more and more expensive.
Hudson Morgan
Yeah, he used to post on Jow Forums too about it, but I havent seen him in a while now.
Oliver Richardson
Posting two Renault FT emplacements seen on the Maginot Line.
Gabriel James
Nicholas King
Noah Richardson
Christian Sanders
Gavin Thomas
Cool!
Nolan Jones
The point is that everything is vulnerable to direct hits from nuclear weapons, The solution is to ether prevent direct hits or not be found which is how CSG are viable in the era of nuclear torpedoes.
A dispersed airbase might not be vulnerable to a direct hit in the same way a monolithic fortification is, But a monolithic fortification is basically invulnerable and operationally unaffected by indirect hits from CBRN weapons.
I doubt North Korea has the necessary technology to build a truly modern permanent fortification but I'm also absolutely sure that the improving political situation between North and South Korea has as much to do with changing military doctrine.
Another possibility is that they simply stopped working on that facility because they found out we discorded it, We already know North Korea has countless underground facilities so I doubt that was the only underground hanger.
La Coupole was a primitive missile silo as much as it was an underground hanger, Very different from embedding a CATOBAR aircraft carrier made out of concrete on flat ground.
Heavily fortified above ground buildings are fucking everywhere, The economic cost to building permanent military fortifications is small compared to the political clout required to get it started and finished.