I don't mean to say that .22 is the best caliber for all situations ever (inb4 muh stopping power) but I think that for most situations, .22 is pretty good.
>Generally -Cheap, meaning you can buy tons of it for whatever situation -Light, meaning you can carry tons of it for whatever situation -Both .22 pistols and rifles are plentiful and cheap
>Hunting -Powerful enough to kill deer and smaller game
>Sports -Low recoil allows for most shooters to enjoy it -Low recoil allows for tacticooling and fast shots on target
>Self-defense -While not the best caliber for it, it is powerful enough to kill or maim people. And assuming you've a, say, Ruger 10/22 with 25 rounds in it, you can put a lot of fire on target before needing to change mags.
>shtf -Hunting, cheap, light -Suppressed sub-sonics are basically Hollywood-assassin tier of quiet
What do you think, Jow Forums? Any points I forgot to make, or any points I made you think are untrue?
Wouldn't trust my life to it, but yeah it's a fun round. You've come to the conclusion that has been made for a century now. A little late, but we're proud of you nonetheless.
Dylan Taylor
I just enjoy talking to random people about guns on the internet user. Can't do it much IRL due to friends being noguns and family growing bored of talking about guns with me.
Jacob Barnes
Yes if I had to pick 1 gun to prepare for shtf it would be a .22. Cheap ammo and can easily kill plenty of game to keep oneself alive. And can fend off predators/humans. Can be used as pistol and rifle. What's not to love!
Hudson Campbell
>Hunting >-Powerful enough to kill deer and smaller game >Self-defense >-While not the best caliber for it, it is powerful enough to kill or maim people.
Is that true though ? I was under the impression that .22 was weak as fuck.
On that subject, what's your favourite .22 carbine guys ?
The two school shootings that Finland has had were both done with .22 pistols, so yeah, it kills people dead. And like, would you want to get shot in the face or chest with a .22?
From my understanding about hunting, you need to headshot deer between the eyes for a kill, but anything smaller dies from bodyshots.
idk what the fuck makes you think a little lead boi zipping through the air at like 1000 fps would be 'weak' vs a squishy human or animal
problem is the bullet is tiny and it doesn't create a lot of tissue damage when it enters a watery chunk of meat like some other bullets are really good at doing
you could hit someone with a 5.56 in the same place you hit them with a .22 and despite being not that much bigger really, the 5.56 is faster and heavier, there's more bullet to catch meat on the way into something so in creates a larger permanent wound cavity, pretty sure this is what kills the fuck out of someone/something even if the wound instantly fatal which is absolutely possible with a .22
Jaxon Ross
It might very well be the jack of all trades round. It won't do everything best, but it will do everything in a pinch. I definitely thinking having a pistol or rifle in 22lr is the best first gun. Though maybe, if you don't mind the price hike of 22wm, you'd be better with that since it does everything a 22lr does but a lil bit better...
Samuel Barnes
> problem is the bullet is tiny and it doesn't create a lot of tissue damage when it enters a watery chunk of meat like some other bullets are really good at doing
This is what I meant by weak.
Wyatt Ross
Iktf famalam
David Parker
Idk if I'd ever call something that could kill someone else from like 100~ yards or more by flinging metal really fast through them 'weak' but I know what you mean I'm just an autistic mother fucker
Robert Morales
You get lead dust all over your hands because the bullet isn't jacketed, so I just buy .223 for a little more and get significantly less lead dust on my hands.
>inb4 A LITTLE? nooo! Poor
Ayden Howard
Do you not practice basic hygiene?
Nicholas Allen
I would much rather defend myself with 9mm or .40 than .22 I would much rather hunt a dear with .270 than .22 Would much rather bug out with .223 than .22 It's passable for all the applications, although I wouldn't recommend it.
Jayden Watson
>Hunting Yes it is powerful with proper shot placement. Hell with proper shot placement you can take down an elephant with a 22lr. Do you trust yourself enough to get a shot that will kill the animal with as little suffering as possible or worse in a way that won't cause it to turn and attack you? Keep 22lr to non-dangerous glorified rodents only.
>Self-defense Are you shitting us? Fucking 32 acp fmj ammo is better. Hell I would say 25 acp is better. Use a 22lr if you have no other options.
>SHTF I would rather have to defend myself with a traditional hunting round than a 22lr I would rather try hunting with a typical defensive pistol round than a 22lr An AR, a pistol caliber carbine or a shotgun does everything but wieght better than a 22lr for SHTF.
Something that you completely ignored is reliability of rimfire rounds. There is a very good reason that rimfire stopped being the standard for priming right after any other priming system came around.
That said a 22 is effectively the perfect starter round for people. Everybody should have at least one 22lr gun.
Thomas Moore
Is this why you boomers hoard .22?
Cameron Collins
Do you really think there are no .22 FMJ?
Leo Martinez
Yeah, but you'd need three different guns for those applications.
I'm obviously not saying that .22lr is better for hunting big game than, say, .308 is, I'm trying to say that it's passable for that.
I was born in '93. I don't even know what the fuck I'm supposed to be considering you retards apparently think anyone born in the 70's is a boomer or something. I'm a zoomer or millennial or whatever the fuck I guess.
.Copper plated hollowpoints, also.
Asher Scott
>Yeah, but you'd need three different guns for those applications. I don't need a hammer, I have a screwdriver I could bash this nail in with. Just because it works does not mean it is efficient or effective. Sometimes is it worth having that second tool/gun.
Also as far as I have seen, most groups list the end of millennials as being born in the mid to late 90s. Doesn't mean you don't have a boomers mentality.
Asher Baker
no, but it is a SHTF and plinking round.
I would skill rate a .22lr:
>easy: varmint/small game >moderate: medium game >difficult: large game >God-teir: dangerous game
humans are a large game in this scaling for self defense purposes.
on small game it is a near instant kill, on medium game it is a plausible kill or slow death, on large game there is a chance that they will get away even with multiple shots, on dangerous game they will be able to counter or even resist a 22lr.
I would recommend a .30-30, .308 win, 5.56 nato/.223, .410, or 9mm/.357/.38 in a carbine.
my bug-out combo is 9mm/.357/.38 revolver (main) 7", . 22 revolver (off) 6", and .30-30 leaver action (stow), because is optimal between versatility, rate of fire, and ammo size. ammo ratio would be 300:40:20.
alternatively I would carry a breakdown recurve bow (stow), .22 revolver (main), and hatchet/ax/knife(off). ammo 20 arrows and as much .22lr as possible.
Cameron Ortiz
>humans are a large game in this scaling for self defense purposes.
>He doesn't think humans are the most dangerous game
Levi Nelson
>He doesn't think humans are the most dangerous game Never accept an invite to this anons island
Jayden Hughes
.22 can penetrate a human skull at 600 yds
Google it
Jacob Hernandez
scaling only takes into account body size and fight/flight behavior in normal coditions (not seen, optimal weather, 30-100 yds), not cognitive ability, social behavior, and psychological state.
Leo Cooper
What do you guys recommend for a decent optic for a 10/22? Thinking something similar to pic-related, simple and fixed.
can I accept it if I bring the US marine corps and make sport of hunting him down to take him to court for murder?
Jace Martin
.22 is shit for SHTF because >rimfire's inability to be reloaded >inb4 but you can reload it with matchstick heads and capgun caps yeah but why waste good matches, and how many dollar general toy aisles are you gonna raid for capguns >inb4 well I'll just hoard .22 then, duh Sure, but how well will it actually keep in a shtf scenario? I have .22 ammo I've stored in original packaging, inside closed cabinents for about 6 years and every time I take a box out I seem to have 5-10 out of 100 or fail to fire, no matter which firearm I use. Now imaging foraging for .22LR which has been stored in much less than optimal conditions, it's bound to perform worse. Any air rifle chambered in .177 or .22 is much more SHTF worthy. You could cast your own projectiles out of reclaimed lead wheel weights, the ammo is even cheaper to stockpile than rimfire, and it doesnt go bad. Not to mention the rifles cost less than .22LR ones, and you can get them sent to your door suppressed legally. Only downside is your reload time. Not to mention any game you can kill with .22LR you can probably kill with an air rifle, and anything you can't kill with an air rifle, you can kill with a centerfire cartridge which you can reload.
Jayden Mitchell
I dunno how different the brands are in the US of A, but am considering a Hawke scope for myself. Weaver mount with a notch in the middle so I can use my iron sights, and then Quick-detach mounts and the scope to keep in theme with the whole "Takedown" gun I have.
Jayden Flores
.22 revolvers are fun to use.
Jackson Parker
scaling for other rounds
.30-30 >wasteful: small game >easy: medium, large game >difficult: dangerous game
.233/5.56nato >wasteful:small game >easy:medium game >difficult: large, dangerous game
.308/30-06 >wasteful: small,medium game >easy: medium-large, large game >moderate: dangerous game (easy for 30-06)
12ga (slug) >wasteful: small, medium >easy: large game >moderate: dangerous game
12ga(00buck) >wasteful: all game >easy: humans (SD)
4ga >wasteful: all game 4ga is intended to be over-powerful
.50BMG/AP >wasteful:all game >easy: light armor targets/soft body >moderate: armor targets >insufficient: modern main battle tanks
Jace Richardson
I don't have much experience, but last year on my 19th birthday I bought a Mossberg 702 for $100 at a pawn shop (mostly because I'm dirt poor and just wanted something to call my own). My old man has a Winchester Model 90 that he killed a wild turkey with at about 100-150 yards through the brush. I can't argue that the caliber is pretty fuckin neat and they're cheap.
>Self-Defense I mean, I'm paranoid and keep my shitty 702 by my side when I'm around the house because I got nothin else and can't get a handgun for another 3 years. I certainly would hope I never have to bet my life on it but I'm sure a decent shot in the right place would take down anyone. >SHTF Without a doubt. Again, can't argue. Kind of contradicts my point about self-defense, but considering you could find the ammo anywhere I'd say you could stay in a fight longer than someone else with a caliber less common.
Dylan Taylor
you can reload .22lr, you take red-phosperous, BP, and an aggregate (for primer) and mix it together. (you take match heads and their strikers) even in production .22lr has a shit turnover. you should expect a 50% failure rate
Jason Russell
50 BMG is actually the ultimate round, it'll kill anything, animals, people, vehicles, aircraft, etc.
Ryder Hernandez
the next question is, how much .22 do you guys keep? hundreds? thousands? 10's of thousands? >inb4 ATF
Cooper Russell
>50 BMG is actually the ultimate round But will it kill warships like pic related?
Couple hundo. I buy a box of about 500 when my stock drops below 100 but I typically don't shoot 22 unless I have a new shooter or my niece/nephew out with me.
Blake Ward
Classic hunting shot is across the chest, ideally hitting both lungs and the heart.
Kayden Williams
Show me a single air rifle you can keep in a shed for 10 years and it’ll still fire. I’ll wait.
You need to constantly oil and change seals that are either tearing or drying out so there’s no pressure buildup. Ideally you should have an air gun, and also a .22 rifle, with supplemental larger caliber firearms like any sane person.
Liam Allen
>generally noted unreliable round with squibs and light strikes being common >hunting small game only >sport target shooting/plinking >self defense goal is to kill target as fast as possible. .22 is not good for self defense >SHTF a dirty round with absolutely zero water/humidity tolerance.
Nathan Jenkins
damn. i got thousands and dont think its enough
Benjamin Williams
I like the .22lr for various reasons: 1. Used .22lr firearms are easy to find and very affordable. 2. Ammo is cheap, light and comes in various options like hollow point and subsonic. 3. With a silencer and subsonic ammo you wont hear a .22lr besides the normal click and thoomp. This gives it a huge advantage. 4. Anyone can shoot it, this is big advantage if playing a numbers game. 5. I use it as my plinking/backup ammo. If all goes right, I only need it for practice and fun. If all goes wrong a .22lr rifle and possibly handgun will be with me in my bag. I do have 380/9mm/45acp but as a backup I'll have another pistol using a common rifle round.
>-Powerful enough to kill deer and smaller game You *Could* kill a deer with it, but it won't be reliable at all. Easily deflected when striking bones and it really isn't that much energy on target. You are going to be chasing that deer for a while, if it drops.
Dylan Scott
lmao
You dingus, user was making a reference to a famous book.
Sebastian Lewis
Yes or no lads, CZ 457 Training Rifle
As it has just recently been introduced, there are no reviews of it on google or YouTube.
The trainer is the best value. I ended up buying a CZ455 Lux but the sights were shit compared to the tangents on the trainer so I spent another $100 to get the sights from CZ USA and put them on my Lux. I put at least a couple hundred rounds through it per week now.
You could probably score a good deal on a 455 Trainer right now if you aren't set on he 457.
Alexander Long
There are a lot of people that agree with you on this and there are a ton of articles regarding it. It's has, in my opinion, two major downfalls. The first, obviously, being its diminutive size. I'm not stepping in front of one nor would anyone I know but it certainly doesn't provide as much punch as other rounds. Second would be the fact that, as a rimfire cartridge, it is mushc less reliable than an analogous centerfire option, even if caliber were moot. Personally, I believe that in this class, the .22 WMR is superior in every way to the .22 LR. The only thing that .22 LR has over .22 WMR is its ubiquitousness and cost. But a .22 WMR does everything in those categories demonstrably better than the .22 LR save for availability in a SHTF scenario.
I think the deer hunting is a long stretch. It’s all about shot placement, but I don’t have two 5-gallon buckets of shooting medals, so a little more wounding potentially would be good for things over 50 pounds, Paul.
Justin Ortiz
Yeah, hose down the superstructure of a modern missile cruiser and you can achieve a mission-kill.
Ethan Brooks
My father and his brothers used to hunt deer when he was in his teens, and they used single shot .22 rifles chambered in .22LR, sometime in the late 70s early 80s. They would shoot at the neck because apparently, that's what dropped the deer in his region of the world.
Michael Adams
No but it’s the most fun
Luis Ramirez
I see you're a man of culture as well
Easton Barnes
>Woodstock Fucking hippies are ruining this board
Alexander Perez
Kek
Lucas Powell
rimfire
Parker Long
>take down an elephant I've heard that elephant guns aren't powerful enough to take down an elephant sometimes. Just saying.
Elijah King
It's the best option for 99.99% of what the average gun owner does with their firearms. It's only drawbacks are obviously reliability in semi-automatics, and accuracy/ bullet drop past 100 yards, at which point it's practically useless. If I could only own one rifle for the rest of my life, I would probably choose one chambered in .22LR.
Julian Mitchell
With the fifteen million aftermarket parts for 10/22's, I can't understand why no one is capable of making an attractive folding stock for them. Seems like it would be so simple.
This is literally only because the bear was shot up its chin and into its brain from close range
Nathaniel Cox
>there are people on Jow Forums that didn't get this reference
Brody Foster
.22LR will kill most anything assuming you aim for a vital area, though it may not be fast. In fact, most night time deer poaching is done with .22's because it's quiet. youtube.com/watch?v=OUM1r_444CY
Gabriel Wilson
Couple thousand. For a while there I just bought a box of it any time I was at the store just because it was there. Now I have an ammo can full of the stuff. Probably about 2.5-3.5k.
And whatever. I have it just because I haven't shot it yet. I'm not worried about SHTF or anything so I'm not trying to stockpile.
Nathaniel Sanchez
I will agree on 22 WMR being better, in theory. It's unfortunate it isn't popular, because the cost/ performance right now makes it very close to pointless.
Oliver Morales
The common meme that .22 is weak as fuck generally spouts from the fact that people, most famously Ronald Regan, have been shot at point blank with .22 and survived.
When you compare to, say, a .223, it is much less powerful and has less overall velocity, but it's still a bullet traveling at hypersonic speeds and it will kill you if it hits you in the right place.
Blake Powell
What about that .17 HMR? I'm not going to pretend to know everything ever about rounds but dont those just have more umph all around while still basically being just as easy as .22? A little more expensive and bigger but still cheap and light enough to carry a stupid amount of them, right?
Blake Diaz
Ruger sr22 and keltec PMR30 thats what are my next buy !
Robert Ramirez
I got one of those SR22s as a gift from my dad a couple years back. This little thing is a delight. I always take it to the range and burn through a couple mags. I'm more accurate with those Mark series guns but I'm decent with this one and it's just so much fun.
I hear you there. Im the same way, just grabbed a couple boxes every payday when i was working. Now i've got a decent amount to play with as a NEET. SHTF aint happening where I live anyway.
Hudson Evans
Ausfag here (proceed to add your laughter here) - I'm looking at getting into handgun shooting here in Aus, and was wondering if there really is much point in looking at calibres higher than .22. I'm never going to be shooting at anything more dangerous than paper so stoppan powah isn't something I really need and I would be fairly sure that at most distances I'm not going to be more accurate with a higher calibre. What do you guys think?
