Realistically, is a submachine gun the ideal sidearm for a modern sniper...

Yeah, because introducing a whole separate weapon for a few guys is logistically retarded. They are given a carbine or a pistol and the spotter a regular rifle or carbine.

I thought snipers deployed in actual combat zones carried carbines now. It seems wise, considering they're moving a lot on foot through austere environments with minimal support. On another note, the British seem to be entertaining the idea of the spotter being a secondary shooter with the LMT L129A1 Sniper Support Weapon.

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Spec ops get exotic weapons all the time in americas army. European armies, like Scandinavia, simply cannot afford to have more weapons. That said, French spec ops have been seen using the MP7.

>Well, they do just carry pistols.
>A revolver in 38 to 44 is along with a small light 22 or 9mm short barrel wireframe rifle with a silencer..

They also carry IR AP landmines, spotting scopes, ragefinders, thermal imagers/NV. cameras,gillies, secateurs, cleaning kits, Swedish saws, target designators, lights, entrenching tools and spare socks amongst other things. A sniper is primarily an observer, not fucking Rambo. The main reason for a subsonic silenced wireframe rifle is to get rid of dogs and lights quietly BTW.

>European snipers generally use pistols just because their army cannot afford better equipment.
Dumbass faggotry

>European armies, like Scandinavia, simply cannot afford to have more weapons
More random faggotry, is it fucking summer in here all the time now?

>exotic
Do you have any particular examples?
Standard issue stuff for USSOCOM seems pretty comparable to what Commonwealth countries get. I've heard they're pretty strict on what you can use too, so you can't just buy the fancy new thing from the civ market and use it on missions. There is some leeway with COTS weapons (see: XM designations), but they are almost always derivatives of pre-existing platforms, such as in the case of the M16A1 carbine and its numerous descendants. I'm pretty sure SOCOM has to develop a TDP for every new thing they officially adopt, so a lot of thought goes into it. Even Glocks took a while.

>Standard issue stuff for USSOCOM seems pretty comparable to what Commonwealth countries get

What the fuck, what the raging fuck/ we are on about the commonwealth now? What like fucking India and Nigeria? Would you ever shut up

Wtf are you even on about? All scandi armies has a fuckton of basic rifles left over due to organization reductions. They are not out of them. Anddont even bother talking about spec ops, they had different equipment for a good reson.

Relax - this is my first post in this thread. I was referring to respectable SOF like Australia, NZ and Canada. I could just have easily mentioned any non-shit country like Germany, Sweden or France, Do you have any information to dispute what I said, or are we going to babble like children?

Well for starters, the US spec ops get the MP7. Their snipers often carry M4s. Particularly M4s with short barrels.

No sniper in scandi will carry a full length assualt rifle and a sniper rifle. That's the thing. They have no PDWs.

I guess the MP7 kind of fits the bill? I'm fairly certain everyone chooses the Mk18 (the M4 with short barrel you mentioned) over that though, for obvious reasons.
I think you're pretty lacking in this department senpai. Do you have anything else you wanted to mention?

The commonwealth. The level of faggotry and delusion is intensifying. Alone with, Scandinavia can't afford guns an Europeans are so poor they have to use pistols. I mean where do you get your worldview from the fucking daily mail? Snipers have a pretty wide degree of freedom on kit as they do on input into entry and exfil. Its highly unlikely they would ever wish to lug an assault rifle around as well or some stupid machine pistol.

That guys is just a retard. But I don't think any of Britain's colonies use snipers that carry something like an assualt rifle as a sidearm.

>I'm fairly certain everyone chooses the Mk18 (the M4 with short barrel you mentioned)

You're also utterly wrong.

I literally never said any of that. Like I said, I am not the person you think you are replying to. Are you schizophrenic?
Can you articulate your point clearly with a premise and conclusion?

Are you saying the MP7 is chosen over the Mk18? That's demonstrably untrue. Goddamn, you guys are confusing me.

You are too unsubtle in your trolling.

Where do you people get this shit from? Vidya games?
>European armies, like Scandinavia, simply cannot afford to have more weapons.
>European snipers generally use pistols just because their army cannot afford better equipment.
>I'm fairly certain everyone chooses the Mk18 (the M4 with short barrel you mentioned)

>scandis cannot afford guns.
Norwegian conscripts literally get the same basic gear as us special forces.
Including mp7s.
Swedes are also properly equipping conscripts.
Finns and danes have basically the same standard as us army for theirs.

Also most of the time snipers doesn't even need their rifle.

Tell you what m8 you know literally nothing about snipers, sniper teams or tactics. Off you pop.

I'm actually pretty certain CSOR and JTF2 snipers carry C8s in conjunction with their sniper rifle. This was stated in several public events where I personally asked and confirmed by my Navy buddy who had JTF2 operators on his frigate for weeks during the last RIMPAC.

I got those first 2 tidbits from quora. The third point about short barrel M4s is something I got from American Sniper.

Well, I'd like to learn more from an expert. Share your knowledge dude.

>The commonwealth

This I actually a thing? I though it fell apart in a row over who poured tea in 1890

enough.just stop

The British empire is as strong as ever. The lost of the american colonies barely slowed it down.

For fucks sake, it's not you are providing anything substantial in opposition.

>The British empire is as strong as ever. The lost of the american colonies barely slowed it down.

The commonwealth. Its not a trading block. No....
Its not a military treaty organisation...no...
Its members hate each other. Yes.
It runs a sporting competition for downies. Yes.

WHAT IS IT?

Only Swede Homeguard units have a full length AK4 and a Psg 90 yeah, the rest usually have pistols when they do their thing. But they still have a rifle at base and it has nothing to do with cost.

Its because you only need to use it when the enemy are within 20M and are about to step on your family jewels or you piss bag, else you are doing it wrong

I went to sniper school. You deploy in firearms of 5 of which there are around 4 in a section with two sets of sniper/spotters everyone carries a full kit with 1 DMR, 2 Long Rifles and everyone had their standard issue assault rifle except the DMR has his DMR and spotters have IR gadgets on their rifles to direct snipers at night. You carry two fuckhuge radios for section/battalion/mortar fire, a big laser designator for the mortars, spotting scope, large NVG that goes on the sniper scope, camoflauge shit, ghillie suit, 3 days rations and all the other usual shit.

PDW are memes and nobody except MP uses them in the military. Maybe airforce and mechanized? but that's not an area I can speak for.

Fun fact: if you have to shit in the field you have a little plastic bag system you shit in and throw in your bag to keep with you for the duration of your mission until exfil :)

Thanks for that - exactly what I was looking for.
Do you have any cool bushcraft life hacks?

Yeah, and a kukri is the ideal bladed weapon for them.

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real hard to explain via text but let's see if you can make sense of this:

When you put string on your tarp make it two parallel strands and tie knots every few cm. Then when you're fastening your tarp to whatever you can just loop it around and pull it between the parallels and the knots will catch as you pull through until you got the tightness you want. Easy to release and you can just leave em on your tarp corners.

French scout sniper here
i carry a FAMAS/HK416 (short barrel version) plus my bolt action (FR-F2). One day an officer made me carry a berreta 92fs added to that... I ended up shoving it into my backpack.

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>FAMAS/HK416

Sounds like bullshit already. You couldn't have been trained for both rifles.

what is the height of cible G in artillerie promille%?

Why not? The 416 is replacing the FAMAS in certain units now. Has he beein in for a while he may very well have had his FAMAS replaced.

I just think it can't possibly be true that he would have used both.

Where is my answer, monsieur? You wouldnt be..... a FRAUD would you? A crooked baguette? a scoundrel?

Wtf man, we are trained for both. Atlough we tend to train more and more with the Hk416 now. Pic rel is my fun

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Are you like, legit retarded or a neverserved?

I don't know shit about artillerie, not my job

oh pardon monsieur didn't know you only understand english. Yes, the milliradian, for you anglophones. Interesting it is not used in your job.... very interesting... Quite an important measurement monsieur

This isn't even funny trolling.

We call that the millième (1/6400) my very dear

eww NATO measurements. SPIT

>Simo Heyha
Oh so that's what the Outkast song was actually about...

I think I get it - you're basically making little segments of rope separating by knots so you can control the increments of tightness. That's neat.

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its five in the fucking morning how is there this much shitposting so early

FAAAAAT

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The ideal sidearm for a modern sniper is the carbine-carrying spotter at his side.

The range here is the most interesting part of the picture. Seems to be some kind of window you are shooting through. I guess it helps with the noise.

Until he gets shot. Good luck fighting off the people who killed him with a pistol.

>sniper
>need to defend themselves at close range
Not really bro. It's not like call of duty where you have to switch to your fucking sidearm. Sniper teams usually operate with support elements nearby and if not then we usually are long gone before it's ever necessary to draw a fucking pistol to engage the enemy.

He died in Argentina.

This a window to a 200m long indoor range we use for zeroing and shooting on super windy days

>simo heyha
It's Simo Häyhä you burger.

muh stolen valour fags are the worst kys my dude

as bad as neverserved larpers? Je pense NON

worse my dude
literally consider jumping off the closest bridge

the sniper rifle is the additional piece of equipment that they carry the m4 is every soldiers primary weapon the sniper just gets his rifle as second weapon because he is a specialist. real life is not video games case and point

He carried an SMG because it was very useful and he killed about 200 Russians with it, pistols are only useful for keeping order within the ranks or extremely close quarters situations like tunnels, especially now when so many people wear body armor.

If your spotter, who should usually be within 10m of you is already shot and dead, your chances aren't much better. Meme PDW or not.

if a sniper needs a sidearm, he's a bad sniper. There should be no reason a sniper gets close enough to warrant the need for something smaller. That being said, if OP was a retard sniper and got himself in a situation with targets within 100m, I think an smg or sbr would be the best idea.

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Baby got kicked out of the scout sniper course ? Pooooor boy, you will never be an operator of the coloniale
Shits happen man, and sometimes it's not because of you. War is war

>shit happens
yeah that can make sense. Would you want to get something suppressed? Would it matter then, or would you want something with a little more oomph.

ITS TIME TO STOP

>tfw no mp7 equipped midget to cover me during the collapse

anyone have a link to modern snipers carrying 38 or 44 because Im doubting
44s from any time period would be interesting

Kids with snow days because of the weather

>this hole post
Jesus fucking christ, the lack of knowledge
youtube.com/watch?v=5Rn0xvaYgTw

Crazy Finnish sniper dude, went bonkers with the nugget even after being facially wounded by a mortar. Def look him up

>There should be no reason a sniper gets close enough
you forget that the enemy has other plans?

Bright idea: Drop bolt actions entirely and splurge your small arms budget on semi-auto rifles that are accurate enough for "traditional" sniping duties. Then make sure that these guys are issued with enough ammo, maybe some 30-rounders in a pouch or two, and forget about having to burden them with their intermediate caliber service rifle. Can't possibly weigh more than two rifles and separate ammo for both of them.

Y/N?

See the m110 and m110a1. KAC made the former, HK the latter.

HEH

>the sniper just gets his rifle as second weapon because he is a specialist
Funny how Destiny portrays this more accurately than most FPS games.

The only sidearm a sniper needs is another sniper

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This. A sniper must always be clairvoyant.