Unsuppressed .45 pistols

Unsuppressed .45 pistols.
What is the appeal? For which application is .45 better suited (considering different loads) in comparison with 9mm?
From what I understand, disregarding HPs for the moment, the .45 retains its energy for longer, making it a better penetrator with FMJ. This being advantageous on targets with lots of layers and gear in the way of travel. Id go so far as to say I heard people using .45 in winter and 9mm in the summer. Is this true, and if so, are there other advantages?

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so what your sayin op, is that all .45acp pistols should be suppressed?

All guns should be able to have cans, IMO, but thats beside the point.

As far as I know the .45 (or .45 ACP to be specific, could be different with other types of .45) has far greater stopping power than 9mm parabellum. 9mm has better penetration than .45 ACP, that's why it's employed in military use, but .45 ACP causes far more internal damage. .45 ACP is decently good against lightly dressed targets, like Jamal and Tyrone trying to steal your TV. 9mm is, due to being a fucking bullet, also decently effective, but it's more of a military round than anything.

Oh and 9mm rounds are far smaller which means you can fit more into a magazine, so if that's your thing you could always sacrifice some stopping power for far more rounds.

>the .45 retains its energy for longer, making it a better penetrator with FMJ.
Speed is king when it comes to penetration and .45 is slow as shit, this is some peak fuddlore right here.

147 gr 9mm supresses better than .45 by the way.

>stopping power
Meaningless buzzword.

The only tangible advantage .45 has is that its slightly larger diameter (even if we compare .45 JHP to 9mm JHP) makes it a tiny bit more likely for each shot to hit the CNS, that's it. It will also make things bleed out a tiny bit faster, but this is largely irrelevant since blood loss is not the preferred way of incapacitating someone in a self-defense situation. Makes no difference in case of psychological stops.

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What if Billy and Zeke are trying to steal my TV.

Memetic answer worthy of a 12y/o medal of duty armchair operator.

m8, all that really matters is hitting vital. we live in the information age, you can go on liveleak and watch people getting shot and see exactly what im talking about.
Also, even though 45 has more momentum than 9mm, it has a greater diameter and Im not sure it actually penetrates better

FMJ is cheap and mushrooms almost like gucci 9mm defensive rounds (which are too expensive for 9mmpoorfags to train with anyway). 1911s, especially, are fun to shoot.

>as far greater stopping power than 9mm parabellum.
There is literally zero evidence that in actual civilian defensive shootings 9mm, .40, and 45ACP have different one shot stop rates or different failure to stop rates.

Because .45 pistols look cooler than 9s.

LARG BULIT

>mushrooms almost like gucci 9mm defensive rounds

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No amount of traditional clothing that you could comfortably wear will stop a bullet from either a 9mm or a .45.

Big bullet, big holes.

If you don't think it's a good option then don't carry it. Arguing with people about it accomplishes nothing if the choice of pistol is yours. It's obvious that .45 is a solid pistol round and it has plenty of real world testing, just like the 9mm. Some people prefer the way that .45 operates and recoils. The biggest practical difference between the two is the reliability in which a .45 JHP will expand. 9mm designs have gotten better with this problem but that has to be weighed against the kind of pistols that we carry that round in now. The market is shifting to compact/subcompact polymers. We can fit 9mm in much smaller handguns now but it comes at the cost of effectiveness with compromises such as small barrel lengths. There's a limit to how much a bullet design can compensate for that limitation. The fact that many of those pistols are single stacked also minimizes the value of using 9mm over a 45. As for application, neither pistol is EDC'ed with a suppressor attached to the end so it's a moot point for most people.

Literally the only pistol rounds that are stastically more likely to drop in one shot is 357 (and probably 10mm, but not a whole lot of people carry that).

The thing about calibers is that if you carry above a .320 acp, you should be fine in a confrontation.

>my argument is that one partial study chart compiled in 2010 and statistics mean everything

It’s better than nothing.

The differences in speed and weight between pistol rounds (besides crap like 5.7) is small and isn’t likely to change a lot.

It's worse than nothing because it exacerbates the spread of erroneous opinions. The chart shows almost no useful data but people use it as gospel for every shitty comparison they can.

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It hits a lot harder than 9. That 230gr slug is a lot of mass coming at you. That'll knock a wood bee attacker back a little.

Post rare Pauls

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Shooting .45 is fun and pleasant.

The application of putting big holes in shit

This guy is objectively correct but he worded it in a retarded manner

you only need 2 boolits
one to shoot the perp. in the balls
the seconds to shoot him in the head when he bends over in agony

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>slightly larger diameter
>the hole it makes is more than twice the size