Lockheed Martin F-21

It's not coincidental it is lack of expertise and aging equipment. Lockheed Martin will help train people so India can start getting more confident and less poo

>Why the fuck they help with a good aircraft like this
Probably because of the Make in India campaign (google it) and their incredible arrogance and hubris.

>Why the fuck they help with a good aircraft like this
Money, but just wait once contract negotiations start to get longer and Indians will demand that Lockheed is directly responsible fuck ups of the local manufacturer. Dassaults relations with Indians and HAL went so bad that in the much smaller deal that eventually happened, local maintenance contract was given to company with no history in aviation or military contracts instead of HAL. They rather dealt with company known telecommunications, power generation and Bollywood studio instead of Hindustan Aeronautics Limited.

>poo

LockMart don't want the Indians shitting up the F-16 brand when these things start crashing, so they've named it after the MiG-21s that do the crashing currently.

Death to conformal fuel tanks.

Hilarious but very plausible.

No, I'm French you phobic cow worshipper, and these are facts

Never understood these third world cunts and their internet fights

POOPERPOWER BY 2020

A new type of "dirty bomb"

Rafale sucks deal with it, India threw it away just like Su-57 because its shit.

No one understands it but there are trillions of them so they just happen to show up a lot more often. Unfortunately they seem to think that we care about their cow herder conflicts.

I thought F21s were the Kfirs? Why did they reuse a number for this?

this is so stupid I believe it

Shouldn't they finally get that third of MMRCA Rafales this year? Why would they another plane, in addition to those and leftover MiGs?

>India threw it away
Huh? India bought Rafales, didn't they?

Kek

They only bought 34 Rafales. The contract lockmart is competing is for 200+ locally built airframes.

>They only bought 34 Rafales
What for?

It was a compromise for the IAF's very tiny budget between HAL Tejas and Rafales. The Indian military likes the Rafales because they've used them in wars before and wanted to buy them to up their squadrons to the 42 target, but the enormous sunk cost, both military and politicial, by the government-military-complex made them by split for the acquisitions budgets for some Tejas. This was so HAL and DRDO were not hopelessly embarrassed that their decades long, cost overrun project was not a complete and utter waste.

reminder India also just signed up for MORE MIG29s

>lockmart competing with super viper
didnt end well cause tech transfer wasnt possible
>russia didnt end well cause pajeets wanted tech transfer
>lockmart renamed the super viper to super poo
>no idea about the tech transfer
>thinks it will win unless lockmart throws very heavy incentives

So, if India gets F-21, what would they be lacking for the worldwide collection? Excluding China and taking Rafale for the whole of Europe, something from Japan?

I mean they already have Mirages, how about some Super Tucanos from South America?
I don't think Africa produces any planes, so they are out, unless they buy Rooivak Helos

Because last UPA gov wasted time with MMRCA and the massive gridlock they cause with incompetent HAL in that deal. Deal was for 18 Rafale bought directly from France in flyaway condition and 108 manufactured by HAL but since last gov only good at wasting time current gov instead forced to cancel MMRCA to get out of the mess, buy directly 36 Rafale for IAF since they already down to 30/42 squadrons and launch new make in India for rest of Rafales.

What's going on on second 58? A drag bomb?

This was my first thought unironically.

That was designated shitting airspace, the plane let one go before going into combat.

Legit laughed out loud, thanks user. Hadn't laughed in days.

Someone remind me; when are they suppose to become a super power?

>F-21

THATS ONE MORE THAN THE F-20 (J-20)!!!!11

INDIA STRONK

F-21 is almost 22 so is not renamed block 60 F-16. Please buy.

>"WE INDIANS HAVE THE F-21!!! IS PRE-PRODUCTION VERSION OF F-22!!!

SUPERPOOWER IN 2020

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>he doesn't know
India is already a global superpower, thanks to Lord Rama.

ndtv.com/india-news/laxmi-narayan-chaudhary-uttar-pradesh-minister-india-became-global-superpower-due-to-lord-rama-1949698

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I guess they simply need attrition replacements for their MiG's and HAL Tejas schedule is mess like it has always been. They also need those replacements sooner than normal import or license assembly deals usually take with Indian bureaucracy. It took them more than 20 years to get BAE Hawk into servic, for Rafale it took like 18 years. In most other countries similar deals usually take less than 5 years inking the deal to initial deliveries. Indias domestic projects like HAL Tejas and HAL Sitara trainer are defy all logic and time-space continuum.

They need a dependable multi-role fighter with decent arsenal of PGM's and they don't want to rely on Russia as sole supplier. SU-30 doesn't have as wide variety of air-to-surface armament. Basically history repeating itself, their generally they have used their western aircraft in strike roles involving PGM's and Soviet/Russian planes in air to air and unguided strike roles.

It is 20 years into future. Permanently.

fuck

This is just a rebranding to push further what they offered in the F-16 vs Gripen tender.

Any nicknames yet?

India is just a complete mess. Unbelievable.

Because it's not a real DoD designation.

top fucking kek

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That's because HAL is quite possibly the most incompetent group of "engineers" in the entire world.

Rafale is good, F16 is good, Tejas is bad.

The f-16 was originally an Indian design you know, ancient pictures on temples india clearly show the design and blueprints for an F16.
In the 1960s John Boyd who was kind of a hippie, travelled to India and saw these drawings on the temple walls. He copied them and the equations next to them and took them back to the states, bbut not before smashing the walls so nobody would know. It's only recently Indian scientists were able to rebuild the wall carvings and discover this.
Indians also invented computers in about 4000BC.

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Why bother putting something the client will never use?

Lol, you guys should read up abouit the corrupt clusterfuck that is Indian Air Force procurement. There's like 20 senior brass, all of who are open to bribes, being bribed 24/7 to swing procurements one way or the other.

People in the west don't realise how minor the corruption or how good they've got it.

This is bullshit but I believe it.

>It is 20 years into future. Permanently.
So when it finally happens we know fusion power will be right around the corner.

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militaryfactory.com/modern-airpower/aircraft-indian-air-force.asp
Their current inventory of fighter and attack jets is an absolute abomination, literally Iraqi-tier air force.

you should look at all of their inventory, it gives you a whole new meaning of "fucked up logistics"

>most of it is either russian/french-made & a couple of israeli drones
I mean it's good for their own sake to build their aircraft locally but jesus, at least stick to one side when it comes to logistics.

>t. Shazeel Sarfaz

now look at their ground equipment, infantry weaponry and vehicles

How dare you speak Ill of the majestic SEPCAT Jaguar.

The fuck do those bulges on the side do?

Bloatmaxx the amount of fuel without causing as much drag/g-limiting as regular drop tanks. The F-16 is rather shortlegged without em

>we wuz fighter jetz

Jaguars were good during at that time but they're just obsolete now.

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This. As soon as you travel anywhere outside USA/Canada or Western Europe your eyes will be opened to the amount of corruption and graft everywhere else in the world.

Yes we could do better in the West but it is absurd when you are in Europe how even just hopping a few hundred KM east can land you in crazyland. Good luck trying to get anything useful done.

Usual bulge stuff, like hiding things that are used to penetrate orifices.

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As opposed to the US where basically the whole congress is in LockMarts pocket

Conformal tanks, as in they conform to the aerodynamic shape of the aircraft. Naked F-16's have limited range without the extra fuel.

>your words, marked

can you remove them, or are they a fixed part of the hull

Based tbpqhwy

>Hurr durr lockmart
Go away Ivan. The thing is, Lokheed - Martin makes good shit. The F-35 is a fucking good plane. So when they're awarding tio contracts, it is at least going to the best thing.
For true corruption you have to see India, which has made like 4-5 purchases of new fighter planes, all of them garbage.

They can be removed with effort from the maintenance team. Usually they remain in place. Drop tanks have the advantage that you can loose them and clean up all the extra drag. Conformal tanks produce less overall drag but they can't be dropped in flight.

I'm not well versed in the F-16 in particular, but you can clearly see a seam between the tank and the plane's hull so I would guess that they're add-ons.

I like them, I think they give the F-16 a bulked up ready to brawl look.

Did the Indians find a way to power a jet with human feces?

>There's like 20 senior brass, all of who are open to bribes, being bribed 24/7 to swing procurements one way or the other.
>being bribed 24/7 to swing procurements one way or the other.
Fucking kek.

Btw because of this thread I actually researched India a little and landed on the channel of an English guy who speaks fluent Hindi and travels around India alone: youtube.com/channel/UCxDZs_ltFFvn0FDHT6kmoXA/videos

His videos are interesting to say the least.

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Removable, but mounting and removing 'em is bit more complicated than with regular droptanks. Especially ones that have refueling probe for probe and drogue fueling as it usually only way for aerial refueling on those planes.

Contract carpeting and post retirement career stuff for staff officers or high ranking ministry of defense bureaucrats and other forms of kickbacks like campaign donations to political parties are corruption, only slightly more legal and subtle form of corruption than open bribery common to 3rd world countries. In case of India their fuckups isn't caused by corruption, but their fucked up bureaucratic culture and political culture. Often to the detriment of Indian armed forces. Basically buying artillery pieces was off limits for couple decades for India due to fallout of Bofors scandal that was triggered by Swedish reporters.

Also Lockheed in particular has bad reputation for corruption from 60's and 70's. Virtually every F-104 sale that wasn't made at expense of US tax payers involved major kickbacks. Lot of staff officers committed career suicides by opposing selection of F-104. Including the most successful fighter pilot in history. Final episode is probably the sale of Lockheed TriStars to ANA. That triggered most likely the most recent Kamikaze attack in Japan. A porn actor slammed general aviation plane to Yakuza bosses house in cheerful spirit of Tenno Heika Banzai!

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>Jap porn actor kamikazed yakuza boss house
what the fuck

>German making excuses for their shit pilots
Explain to me how other air forces operated F-104s with no more than average air accidents. Somehow only the Germans managed to crash their 104s all the time. Spain, Italy, Norway, Taiwan and the Netherlands all operated them just fine.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsuyasu_Maeno

I only just looked it up because of what he was saying.

Does anyone have actual specs for this thing or are we just going to Jow Forums it up and shitpost for no reason?

The Germans were using the 104 in a role it was never designed for. The 104 was intended to be a high speed, high altitude interceptor to shoot down nuclear bombers. The krautniggers used it for literally every role you need a jet for, including low-level missions which is what caused the lawn darting.

Lockheed did promise them though, that they could makem work like this with upgrades.
Canada for example also had a 50% loss rate
Spanish no losses were also attributed to extremely strict usage rules.
Belgium lost also roughly 40 out of their 100 and Italy no losses is wrong, they lost roughly 100 of them

German pilots were undertrained and the F-104 requires a good pilot.

Spain virtually only country used it as originally intended, high altitude fair weather interceptor. Spain is only country where its safety record matches contemporaries of F-104. For rest of users it was sold as fighter-bomber suitable for low altitude strike missions. Safety record of F-104 Canada is almost as bad as in Germany, and they didn't have the excuse of having mostly inexperienced air force like Germany. In other countries they ceased to use it as fighter-bomber or did massive modernization on avionics of the plane, Italy for example did gargantuan upgrades on their F-104's. For example Belgium also had Mirage 5's for low altitude strike role. Canada, Norway and Netherlands used F-5 for that. RCAF started using F-104 in early 60's, by late 60's F-5 started replacing those in strike roles.

F-104 is by far the fastest thing ever produced for low altitude flying. No plane in future is likely to beat it. Reasons are probably because it doesn't make any sense to try to beat that record as it comes with rather extreme limitations for frontal cross section and low drag. Things that makes making what would today considered essential for making decent multi-role fighter. Pic related, likely unbreakable speed record being made by former Lockheed company testpilot on plane assembled from begged, borrowed and stolen parts. Plane was lost bit later when he ditched the plane due to landing gear malfunction while preparing for attempt to break MiG-25's zoom climb record for absolute altitude record. Plane was absolute patch work of parts from pretty much every version of F-104, including reaction control system from NASA NF-104 that was used to train X-15 pilots to deal with RCS.

Yakuza boss was in business terms sales agent. He either paid politicians or convinced them with other methods that Japans state owned airlines should buy their wide body airliners from Lockheed.

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Lockheed lied about the F-104s capabilities and only got the contract by bribing half the German MOD. It wasn't a secret that the F-104 was the wrong plane for what West Germany needed.

>Norway and Netherlands used F-5 for that.
There is some irony here in that Norway had such high attrition rates on the F-5 that they had to re-locate F-104-squadrons in their place.
But we used the F-104 mostly as a speedy-go-fast interceptor, as it was intended.

Based. I was just gonna post this

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>charging poos 200% for an outdated dressed up f-16.

LMAO

Pajeets are fucking stupid. Also they can't even engineer their own planes.

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work smarter not harder

You guys just don't get it, Lockmart is trying to comply with the Green New Deal that says no fossil fuels and pretty much no aviation. This is the prototype for the first poo powered airplane in the world.

This makes actually would make even sense, the T-72BU was for example immediately renamed T-90 after it's introduction 1992 to distance it from the T-72 turkey shoot during in the gulf war.