Yes, they're not producing enough of it.
But as an individual unit, is it the best?
Yes, they're not producing enough of it
Lincoln Gomez
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Grayson Howard
It's armor is plastic, it's gun is small, it's turret is a mess, it's dirty, filthy, too slow, too heavy for its role, it's hatches are stupid and round, it needs to many people to crew it, it's engine is in the wrong place, the turret on the turret means it can't go hull down properly, it's stupid wheel protector is useless, it's fences have holes in them, it's face is a nerd's face, the goggles its crew have look lame, it's ground clearance is too low for cross country maneuvers, it's lacking a coaxial machine gun, it's paint job is boring, and it has too many fucking wheels.
Jonathan Ross
None of those are true
Thomas Jackson
You can't be more obvious strawman
Eli Watson
>Impenetrable for any modern ammo except for it's own
>Longest 125 apfsds in the world with 1+m rha pen
>APS that can intercept APFSDS
>A fucking recon drone
Gee i wonder
Isaiah Nguyen
>A fucking recon drone
to be fair thats probably the cheapest and easiest thing to do
Jace Jones
Testing unit to make way for the real stuff in the future.
Kayden Phillips
That's not even the best part. Its actually ripping off the American FCS and making it work, kinda, sorta... but it only took them like 20 years.
Isaac Green
They did it with t90s tho
Jonathan Edwards
>But as an individual unit, is it the best?
Assuming they didn't just fucking outright lie about its specs (they did, 100% guaranteed, because they have about literally everything else they've ever made, it's quantum implessive tier), and assuming it was built with western levels of QC (it isn't, it's fucking Russian), AND assuming they can scrape together 3 people to crew it that actually have a functioning understanding of how the electronics work and can stay out of the vodka, krokodil, and man-ass long enough to use them....it still won't matter because Russia's too fucking afraid of getting them blown the fuck up by goat herders with a dumptruck full of 60 year old arty shells and a couple shovels to ever actually field them, because they can't afford to replace them.
Luis Parker
>Impenetrable for any modern ammo except for it's own
How would they know? It's not like they have tested it against NATO's newest ammo.
Ayden Young
They can't and won't produce enough. See the SU57 for the same reason. It has a few stellar attributes (speed, 125mm gun, shaped charge protection from innovative new afghanit system) and everything else is on par or just below with the very best worldwide. I am pretty anti-slav because of the shitposting but the ruskis have produced the best tank yet.
Its not leaps and bounds ahead of everybody else though. Their advantage would be slimmer than propaganda says but it is real. If it isnt produced, fielded, and updated soon, The rest of the world is going to catch up though. The US loves a reason to buy new toys
Jayden Bennett
>Faster than any abram
>too slow
What?
Evan Jones
If afghanit does what they say then its going to be effective. We're talking smart armor that intercepts incoming projectiles. Explosive armor does the same thing without intelligence but with an autonomous aspect to it this armor would be capable of destroying or disrupting projectiles in the air without letting the tank get touched.
Wyatt Murphy
>russian
>best
That’s gonna have to be a solid “no” from me, Jim.
Evan Foster
It's always the same shit. You'll get posts like with loads of fantastic claims of performance and everything, then a few years later it wasn't all that good after all.
I bothered to go through this shit with the Su-57, but I'm not doing research and the Armata to get the same results.
Jaxson Green
This is all fine and dandy, still the point remains: how would they know if they haven't tested it against NATO's newest ammo?
Julian Long
That butthurt lol
William Mitchell
Learn difference between its and it's.
Ayden Howard
>If afghanit does what they say then its going to be effective
> does what they say
Our re-entry system for manned space cehicles is a state of the art! Best in the world! It can work in any conditions. Tovarisch Komarow have absolutely nothing to worry about. Excuse me for s second, a phone call... What? Parachute dont even open? All emergency systems also failed, because ground tests results was made up to please politicians? Towarisch Komarov ended pic related?! In Russia?! Impossible!
...and then you had all these nuclear subs that burned, exploded, sunk or have their fucking reactor melted while on paper all systems were in perfect conditions and "doing what they said".
From the most recent Times, you have al. that fuckery with Saturn jet-engines that are magicaly loosing like 1/3 of their power when running outside the test facility and gas turbines for warships that are fucking catching fire and exploding during normal use.
Yeah, Russia is so well known for their designs to be "Doing what thay say"...
Adrian Morris
You dont need to test against exactly the same ammo. Just use test projectiles that can approximate the actual threats, or just be lazy and go for overmatching testing and use APFSDS fired from the 152 mm gun.
Cameron Carter
Low effort
Juan Brooks
Who the fuck cares? Its not gonna go up against actual worthy opponents without anyone breaking out the nukes, and butthurt belters dont have anything better than German cold war hand me downs anyway.
Jordan Sullivan
>Towarisch
You slipped, pole. Hows PiS?
James Gonzalez
They cant pull the wool over our eyes like they could in the ignorant 1950s and 60s.
Lies about technical details would have to be only slight exaggerations or military analysts here would cry bullshit immediately. Quantum stealth is dismissed offhand.
Austin Cook
Rather relevant since it's likely to be the last tank Russia designs.
Kayden Peterson
Can't improve upon perfection afterall.
Bentley Stewart
>no trophy
>perfection
Luke Johnson
>shilling the substandard APS that cant even intercept APFSDS projectiles
Nice try but no AIPAC congresscritters are available to do the procuring for you, Schlomo.
Lincoln Brown
Is it better than other Russian tanks? Yes.
Jose Robinson
Afghanit cannot intercept APFSDS either.
Henry Allen
/thread
Robert Allen
It's nothing compared to the PL-01
Jaxon Gray
Afghanit isn't new guys
Burgers already have APS that intercepts APFSDS
Sebastian Bailey
>You'll get posts like with loads of fantastic claims of performance and everything, then a few years later it wasn't all that good after all.
I'm waiting for the first "NATO troll spotted" on that comment, from paid vatniks.
Answering critique with ad hominem is a good tactic to pull the conversation away from the real subject - the poor quality of russian equipment, that is.
Brayden Edwards
army of russian federation don't want to buy even one of these bizarre grills
John Martin
>APS that can intercept APFSDS
This is dubious
Jose Ramirez
Here
It's just that the one in the webm is American
Alexander Richardson
>Interceptor fired well ahead of the APFSDS
Gee, its almost like somebody just timed the whole thing - no wonder Iron Fist has been
a) cancelled by the kikes
b) not bought by everyone else
Go shill somewhere else.
Connor Murphy
>It's timed, not real!!!
You know that these things launch the interceptor at the incoming projectile when it's over 100m away, right?
>No one buying it!!!
>In June 2016, theU.S. Armychose the Iron Fist Light configuration to protect its light and medium armored vehicles as part of the Modular Active Protection System (MAPS) program. The decision to select Iron Fist was made because of the system’s light weight, ability to fire interceptors without shock, and low cost. In December 2018, the Army revealed it would be installing Iron Fist onM2 Bradleysof onearmored brigadeas a near-term APS; an armored brigade consists of over 138 Bradleys.
Just because your APS system doesn't work didn't mean nobody else's works either, Misha.
Liam Adams
When NATO cucks sell their modern tanks to half the middle east it's hard to keep secrets
Kevin Long
>You know that these things launch the interceptor at the incoming projectile when it's over 100m away, right?
Real world tests involved the actual system intercepting against unknown threat angles, and unspecified times - that's how anti-missile and missiles are tested at least in the good old USSR and Russia, can't speak for others.
>Just because your APS system doesn't work didn't mean nobody else's works either, Misha.
Still lying out of your ass, Schlomo?
From the manufacturer's site:
Operational Characteristics:
Protection against RPGs, and ATGMs and RRs
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Fuck off.
Gavin Gutierrez
>This is dubious
Its achievable; you merely have to impart something like 4 degrees off center to reduce penetration by around 50%.