Venezuela is clearly being run into the ground by a taxi-driver turned dictator. Is there any reason the Venezuelan people haven't done shit?
Venezuela's military is subpar to say the best, African tier loyalties more realistically. If the Venezuelan people had solid irregular warfare training they would be able to wage an effective insurgence campaign against the Venezuelan state.
There are ample staging areas in the Southern Amazon where proper weapons could be brought in and a TOC established. Given the dismal state of Venezuela, any additional damage to their infrastructure would render the state unable to continue on even the sporadic functions they provide thus spurring more wide scale revolt.
Alright Jow Forums, thoughts? >inb4 hurr durr the we want instability and drug revenue
Most of the opposition is artificial and being backed by the likes of John bolten and his oil company CEOs. The situation in Venezuela wouldn't be as bad if we didn't sanction the shit out of them and exacerbate the issue. When polled, the Venezuelan people do *not* want the US to interfere as they saw what happened in Iraq. Military action is very unpopular. And most people don't want to be collateral damage in another oil war
Cameron Scott
It’s not real socialism tho
Benjamin Gutierrez
USA has no need for Venezuelan “oil”, go away maduro
Its almost like the us and its fascist corporate allies have been fucking resource rich socialist countries for decades... say it aint so user.
Levi Mitchell
Spics are a servile race, they don't care about democracy because it always inevitably turns into a banana republic. I used to date a Colombian girl and every now and then we'd talk about the FARC rebels and shit, she said she simply did not give a fiddler's fuck who ran the government down there, either way it will be a corrupt shithole.
Yeah, and billionaires don't *need* anymore money, but they still avoid taxes and screw the poor
Chase Hall
>Is there any reason the Venezuelan people haven't done shit? Low iq. No guns Mestizos can't even stand each other Half of the country actually like Maduro
William Scott
>If the Venezuelan people had solid irregular warfare training they would be able to wage an effective insurgence campaign Your glow is showing
Ryan James
>but they still avoid taxes and screw the poor Cringe. Zero interest money and no taxes is the way to go
Julian Torres
Stfu. There is nothing wrong with talking about revolution. Keep voting cuck
Christian Morgan
>Is there any reason the Venezuelan people haven't done shit? Well not having any small arms and being 30 pounds malnourished really doesn't help with any desire for action.
Christopher Diaz
I'm not against the idea. The CIA should go balls deep, shit like this is their whole reason for existing
Hunter Perry
They have no guns. In 2012 Venezuela banned civilians from owning firearms. The kucks lined up willingly to turn in their rifles, shotguns and handguns. Now the deep state globalist kikes are kucking them wholesale. Lesson for you, never turn your guns in to the Jew globalists or you will be the next one standing in a Bernie Breadline. Fight against any Red Communist Flag laws using the most horrific levels of brutality and gruesome violence that you can muster, or you will be facing the same fate as the kuckes of Venezuela.
Other posts got close to implying but i'll state it plainly. The people still left in Venezuela used to be Chavez supporters. They are as responsible for the state of their country as Maduro himself.
I talked to a young Venezuelan woman back in 2004ish and back then she said everyone who was middle class or rich knows what is going happen, the country will collapse and they are leaving before SHTF.
Thomas Lee
>deepstate
Boomer shutup
Ian Martin
It's almost like Gusano fucks ally with imperialists in destroying revolutions?
Cooper Diaz
Why does the government feel the need to shitpost about their upcoming Venezuelan war here when boards like Jow Forums and /b/ are much more likely to reach the masses? Most Jow Forums users are either vets, noguns, euro noguns, third-worlders, lolrandumbs, and libertarian gun-nuts, people less likely to hop on the lure. Jow Forums is full of people who would hop the chance to be given purpose and opportunity, /b/ is full of normalfags with nothing else to do but post their girlfriend's nudes. tl;dr Fuck off, glow-friend.
Christian Green
Its probably not glowies, just useful idiots influenced by said glowies.
Anthony Murphy
Gen X here We are going to gas all of you fidget spinning, twerking, tide pod eating, Fortnight dancing millennial kikes
You do realize that not all millennial likes are like that, right?
Bentley Diaz
>being against a literal communist state must mean you're a glow nigger
Any non-cucked veteran or firearms supporter should be in all for Venezuela's regime being overthrown.
Venezuela has close to no capacity to wage COIN operations and southern Venezuela would provide an easy median for the disturstment of weapons and troops. You're honestly telling me that if they didn't target critical infrastructure that would destabilize the state to the point where Maduro's Cuban advisors wouldn't be able to maintain control? Besides, having Venezuela as an acting communist state degrades US influence. An influence which as cucked as it is, is the only force actively keeping communists from spreading further within Latin America
Ian Flores
If Venezuelan leadership can't put food on table government hard reset is required as first step in troubleshooting
Why should we give a shit what they do in their own country?
Easton Taylor
>the Venezuelan people do *not* want the US to interfere as they saw what happened in Iraq. Wut. Look at Iraq, Libya and Tunisia. They are free because of military intervention. Do they rather want to be like Syria?
Matthew King
For entertainment value. Different user btw
Jaxon Flores
>fidget spinning, twerking, tide pod eating, Fortnight dancing >millennial Gen X was a mistake
Communists never stay in their own country. Their entire mantra is built upon expansion. By allowing a communist state safe haven they will continue to plan against and agitate our interests. Who the fuck do you think supports all these far left groups which want to take away your money and guns? It used to be the Soviet Union, now Cuba is providing financial and military support to ideologically similar groups/regimes. We don't want another Cuba, hence Venezuela needs to be stabilized.
Oliver Evans
Can someone actually tell me how the US takes oil from foreign wars? I want a literal description since I never hear about US oil tankers loading up Iraqi oil captured from Saddam
Oliver Sanchez
Your thinking of the zoomers, freind. Millennials are the generation before that.
Brayden Perez
It has never happened. The whole blood-for-oil mantra was a complete falsehood.
Camden Garcia
Free of real estate.
Ethan Moore
china and russia have decided upon a proxy war in americas backyard. your fate is sealed.
Caleb Hughes
The US isn't interested in literally capturing oil from the middle east. The US is interested in getting a cut from the sale of oil to anyone via the petrodollar: if you want to buy oil, you need to pay for it in US dollars. This means that you need to buy US currency and then trade it to get oil. By doing this, the US manages to keep the value of the dollar relatively steady on international currency trade markets and thus put their fingers in every oil-consuming country's pocket. Shortly before being invaded, Gaddafi and Saddam were looking at shaking this up by creating different currencies that they'd sell their oil in. Gaddafi in particular wanted to create a strong gold-backed dinar, and was going to trade oil for gold, Saddam wanted to start buying oil in Euros.
If oil producing countries try to stop selling oil in things other than dollars, there's risk for countries to start wanting to push their cash reserves of US currency back onto the US which has a risk for runaway inflation.
>If oil producing countries try to stop selling oil in things other than dollars, Sorry, I meant try to start selling oil in things other than dollars.
In the early 2000s the Euro looked like the new big thing and being able to buy oil in euros would have both secured the Euro and given a lot of countries reason to abandon buying dollars.
Ayden Sullivan
You don't know what the fuck you're talking about, sanctions against Venezuela started this year, the economy went to shit thanks to socialist policies and a literal narco state The country it's full of paramilitary groups and trained thugs that are loyal to the regime, the military itself it's just a small part of the problem
Grayson Barnes
>"Most of the opposition is artificial and being backed by the likes of John bolten and his oil company CEOs" >yfw you realize we are getting a modern adaptation of "Nostromo"
An user who's actually familiar with the Bretton Woods system, that was unexpected. Speaking of the petrodollar, it's a good thing naturally for the stability of the dollar (and the entire global montary system by default), but there's no way you can compare Libya and especially Iraq to a currency motivated strike. If anything the US provides a public good by using its dollar reserves to provide stabily to international oil market
Kevin Turner
OP here. Yeah you caught me, clearly a shitpost to point out the legitaime avenues to liberty the Venezuelan people could take with even minimal foreign backing.
>trying to maintain US hegemony and our quality of life must mean I'm a literal shill. Neck yourself. >pic related
>but there's no way you can compare Libya and especially Iraq to a currency motivated strike. If anything the US provides a public good by using its dollar reserves to provide stabily to international oil market That's missing the point though. The part that's important about "blood for oil" is that this system allows the US to effectively hold a monopoly on oil -trade-, whether or not the US ever actually touches a drop of the actual oil being traded, every exchange of oil between two countries is effectively being done under the supervision of the US federal government. This means that if the US government isn't happy with you, they can change how much they'll sell you dollars with which to buy the oil your country needs, and it's all being done by holding the manufacturers at gunpoint. If you start letting countries work in other systems it's not a threat to the market, it's a threat to your personal hegemony over the market.
I really wonder how stable the petrodollar is going to be with the upcoming petroyuan.
Elijah Green
> Is there any reason the Venezuelan people haven't done shit?
GUESS what Daddy Maddy took from his people
Carson Edwards
>sanctions against Venezuela started this year
You mean to say that more were slapped on last year, or that you're a faux-news addict who shouldn't be allowed to vote
Jack Hill
Projections from someone advocating the literal expansion into a much smaller, weaker country that more or less minds its own business on the world stage
>Venezuela is funding American SJWs and democrats
lolno
Brayden Stewart
Isn't sanction a big word for targeting a few top officials foreign assets?
Austin Reyes
>muh socialist paradise would have worked if it wasn't for the ebil capitalists just off yourself. why are you even here? pro gun rights is a right wing position
the u.s. [more to the point, haiburton] was supposed to get very lucrative no-bid contracts because the secretary of defense at the time was on the board of haliburton. imagine dick's shock and dismay when the contracts to rebuild iraq's oil fields went to the french instead.
Sebastian Howard
*that is wrong
Charles Lopez
Moronic fuck. Marx said that in the communist manifesto which was about a revolution to overthrow capitalism. He was not talking about private gun ownership.
Lenin said the SAME EXACT thing ad Marx before the revolution: all the workers needed to be armed to overthrow the Tsar
So what did Lenin do after the revolution succeeded? He disarmed the peasants who helped him win. Literally every Marxist regime has had draconian gun laws. Not a single one had liberal gun laws. You need a monopoly on force to abolish private enterprise and property.
>It's a anti-authoritarian position in general
Except Hitler and the fascists loosened gun laws massively for the vast majority of citizens. The most authoritarian right wing regime had laxer gun laws than any Marxist state.
>Gun restriction laws applied only to handguns, not to long guns or ammunition. The 1938 revisions completely deregulated the acquisition and transfer of rifles and shotguns, and the possession of ammunition.[8] >The legal age at which guns could be purchased was lowered from 20 to 18.[9][10]
No restrictions or licenses to buy long guns. You could buy as much as you want over the counter.
>Permits were valid for three years, rather than one year.[9] >Holders of annual hunting permits, government workers, and NSDAP (the National Socialist German Workers' Party) members were no longer subject to gun ownership restrictions. Prior to the 1938 law, only officials of the central government, the states, and employees of the German Reichsbahn Railways were exempted.[8]
You only needed a permit for handguns and even then this was made easier to get. If you were a NSDAP member (any german could join so as long as you weren't a kike or a leftist), you didn't need a handgun permit at all.
Fascism literally made gun laws much laxer for the vast majority of Germans (kikes and leftists were a minority) from the strict gun laws passed in Weimar Germany under the socialist democrats.
This just proves that pro gun rights is a right wing position, not a leftist one.
Jayden Collins
>muh private ownership
Personal property is explored in his works, which is where private gun ownership would fit in. Not that you've actually read Marx though.
Again I'm not advocating Marxist governance - never have - but I've said two (correct) things:
1) Venezuela's been sanctioned by the US for many years, for almost the whole time since they de-bananified themselves. These sanctions correlate perfectly with the shrinking and stagnation of the economies they target, and are a major contributing factor to decline. A perfect example is the way Iran's currency exchange rate nearly halved when (((Trump))) stabbed them in the back on JCPOA.
2) Various advocates of both left and right wing economic systems supported and practised personal firearm ownership, it's not exclusive to any one theory of economic organisation. Anarchists and fascists and Marxists in Spain practiced a form of gun ownership you can only dream of in the land of the 'free' without paying bullshit taxes and being on a terrorist watchlist, Hitler massively loosened gun laws, Maduro's handing out rifles to LARPing overweight moms and boomers, etc.
Nathaniel King
>Venezuela's been sanctioned by the US for many years, This is 100% not true and you're either incredibly retarded or being disingenuous if you think otherwise.
Parker Foster
>Anarchists and fascists and Marxists in Spain practiced a form of gun ownership you can only dream of in the land of the 'free' without paying bullshit taxes and being on a terrorist watchlist
Because they were fighting a war moron. It was not during peacetime. If you are fighting the fascists you need to arm the workers. Catalonia only existed for three years and the entirety of it was during a civil war.
Marx was talking about a collective arming, in order to fight a revolution. What happens after the revolution comissar? Oh right. The workers are disarmed except for the vanguard party.
>Maduro's handing out rifles to LARPing overweight moms and boomers, etc.
Only because he knows a civil war is imminent. Did you forget how Chavez banned gun ownership?
The fascists loosened gun laws massively for individual purposes. You didn't need to be part of the NSDAP to own guns. You didn't need to specify a reason to own guns. You could own them as an individual citizen for personal purposes. All you had to do was not be a kike or a leftist.
Can you find me one Marxist regime which had such lax laws pertaining to individual ownership? Not arming militias to fight wars.
Ryan Torres
This. Every South American country should be a pseudo-democratic puppet installed by the Western powers. Why we let these retards sperg out and pretend to run governments beyond me.
Brandon Adams
>All you had to do was not be a kike or a leftist. >literally disarming people who don't like the state isn't gun control hmmmmm
Hudson Howard
Who were both small minorities? Jews were less than 1% of Germany's population. Even the founding fathers only let whites immigrate, become citizens and bear arms.
Ryder Williams
German Jews were also the biggest patriots patriots in WW1, with Germany's army having the highest Jewish representation both totally and as a percentage of the Jewish population in the country. some 18,000 German Jews laid their lives down on the western front, just for some occultist machiavellians to disarm them and use them as the scapegoat for the country's problems.
Ironically, your precious right-wing ideology does NOT seem to respect universal gun ownership - rather just the armament of the components of its own vanguard.
Grayson Davis
>He thinks zoomers are millennials Nobody cares grandpa
Nathan Cooper
>German Jews were also the biggest patriots patriots in WW1, No they weren't you traitorous kike. They even capitalized on the defeat by attempting a revolution so Germany could become a Marxist regime right after the war. All you do is constantly undermine nations. How many times have you been expelled in history?
Nathaniel Martin
Sorry, biggest *Jewish patriots, specifically. Of all the Jewish diasporas, German Jews were the most patriotic.
>you traitorous kike
Nope, just historically literate >traitorous >implying I'm German
>Muh Sparticist revolt
Rosa Luxemburg was Jewish, but not Karl Liebknecht, or like >99% of the footsoldiers. When whites do stupid shit like Marxist uprisings, you need to have some accountability rather than trying to blame 0.2% of the world's population in a way that denies your own agency.
Christopher Thomas
Try harder Shlomo
Nolan Morgan
>led by kikes >kikes heavily overrepresented in leadership of leftist organizations My point exactly. Dumb impressionable goyim are irrelevant. Shoo shoo kike. You're a fucking parasite in every nation.
Levi Edwards
>1 of 2 ring leaders is Jewish in that instance >HURRRR OVERREPRESENTED
>If I keep calling him a kike he becomes a kike
Stay upset mutt
Samuel Campbell
It was more than 1. Kikes were overrepresented in the Sparticist uprising. Why are kikes overrepresented in every leftist movement in the west? Filthy heeb.
Andrew Richardson
Hmmm, could it be the way feudalistic systems had alienated and pigeonholed them into a stigmatised caste for centuries?
No, it must be an evil gene or something that drove them to revolutionary ideologies
>waaah kike wah
Mmmm your salt
Jaxson Gomez
And why were they pigeonholed? Who is pigeonholing kikes in the US? They are pandered to endlesslesly.
Why are they so overrepresented in gun grab movements? Just get gassed you filthy jew.
Jack Martinez
Unfortunately, you are wrong. American (and western in general) commies will never, ever fuck off to one of the counties they call a paradise, and will instead stay here and try to make America (or whatever their homeland is) socialist shitholes like those counties.
Lincoln Roberts
It's not enough that they live under socialism/communism. They also feel compelled to force everyone else to live under it too. Democrats are the same way with their policies and states they swear they will never even visit.
>pic OK GUYS WHAT THE FUCK THIS CAN'T KEEP HAPPENING
Logan James
I mean it isn't since the workers don't own the means of production. That's like the definition. Not a socialist btw.
Logan Green
There is sad truth to that statement. Really, that’s the problem with utopians, religious/ideological nuts, and authoritarians: they try to force their views and desired way of life on everyone else as as well. If they just stuck to themselves, practiced their crazy ideas on themselves and left everyone else alone, I wouldn’t care. But they insist that that everyone else play along or suffer the consequences. You can easily see this in the US. For all the shit this board gives commiefornia when it comes to their gun laws, we probably wouldn’t care as much were it not for the fact that they want to make the whole of the US just as bad as them via the federal government and migration.
