This is the future of handgun cartridges

No, they're the future of military rifle cartridges. With a 35-45 grain bullet and alloy case (allowed because of low pressure) they can have half the weight of M855 or less. Figure out a way to use clips effectively (revolver?) and you can hit 1/3rd the weight.
>wah wah underpowered
independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-forced-to-import-bullets-from-israel-as-troops-use-250000-for-every-rebel-killed-314944.html
Welcome to modern war grandpa, where shooting more=more hits, and that's literally all that matters. We eventually accepted 5.56 was enough, and we'll accept this is enough too.

But why?

Prototype rifle ammo from the late 40s early 50s is now the new handgun ammo?

they're from the late 90s, retard

Moron doesnt get it.
Why the fuck would anyone use that shit.
8mm kurz, 7.5mm kurz. They all failed. Putting them in a handgun makes even less sence.

whats wrong with 5.7mm?

Meme round.
Ain't nobody got time for that bullshit.

this is the future of handgun cartridges

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I've spent to long looking for a video of some old crazy man who made a rifle that shoots one of these and shoots it.

5.56x23 is adorable.

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But what even shoots it besides one-off customs and possibly the Tuma MTE?

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oh no no no no no

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user, all guns are really loud

He means louder than normal calibers like 9mm or .40s&w. And your reply is also false. You can get away with no earpro with subsonic .22lr.

>but this one cartridge isn't!
Subsonic .300BLKED with a can isn't loud, but the vast majority of guns are quite loud.

5.8x21mm DAP-92

Chyna is superior. Yet again.

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Depends on the bullet but generally very good.

Similar capacity to 9mm.

fuckin kek

Mega kek jesus christ

Fuck shooting anything over 160 dB without hearing protection (self defense situation) the damage is way more than 9mm at 159 and 380 at 153

Stronger breach typically means heavier. Hotter loads means more recoil. Pistol cartridges between .380 and 10mm are at the optimum for the current technology and use cases.

Self defense is the only scenario which is understandable to not have ear protection, and I think the one time occurrence shouldn’t be too terrible

22tcm would be the shit and would’ve took off, if it has better velocity out of a pistol bbl.

don't ever quote that dumb stat again

you'll have a problem with the shoulder geometry when feeding though, which is the major drawback of this kind of case design. just look at the wssm cartridges

>someday 9mm will be the equivalent of .45 acp and the 30 yo boomers will be talking about how much more stopping power it has
>meanwhile the .22 tcm, 5.7 and 4.6 zoomers will be shouting about capacity and less recoil for more shots on target
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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based zoomers

>the vast majority of guns are quite loud.
This is true, but the comment he was replying to was
>user, all guns are really loud
>all guns
>ALL
So it's true that some guns aren't loud, and therefore "all guns are loud" is false.
>inb4 autistic faggot
Guilty as charged. Duel me faggot. I'll send you to the fucking Shadow Realm, kiddo.

smashed and slammed

Actually this is the future of handgun cartridges. 9mm isn't going anywhere. Anything other than 9mm will become increasingly niche.

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step aside

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This is the future I want

That statistic includes ammo supplies and training rounds.

You would know.

The US armys next rifleman round will be a 6.8 .(270) 120 to 130grn @ around 3000fps.

>6.8 .(270) 120 to 130grn @ around 3000fps.
How?

>.22 EAGENSPLITTEN LOUDENBOOMER

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New rifle, new round. The order is already out. Sounds like 6.8- 308 with modern powder to me.

God I wish. .224 BOZ unironically seems amazing.

>40713775
I have .22 TCM which looks really similar, if not a bit hotter. Can confirm, rifle tier volume. Fun as all hell though, and 2050 fps out of a gubmint size 1911.

*Cracks*
*Sips*
*Disassembles Glock 19*
Now THAT'S a gun

>rifle tips that wont stop a guy right in front of you
>he manages to tackle you and fucc your boipussy because the stopping power wasn't enough

it's armor piercing and has the energy of 9mm

"You may not like it, but this is hwat the ideal male body looks like."

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Wait, so on a more serious note, would it be possible to work around DD restrictions by necking a 20mm down to a .338 diameter bullet but make it 1000 grains or so, so it's a long projectile?

Yeah, seen your pics floating around online.

>the evolution of firearms design is to make the bullets smaller and smaller
>eventually we will reach the point where .17 caliber has the energy to RIP a guy's arm off

The future will be firing grains of sand at hypersonic velocities, resulting in grenade-like impacts.

>you may not like it but this is peak bullet performance.

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>4 grainules of rice have been deposited into your alibaba account, good job Chang.

I realize that, what's your point? There's still hundreds of times more bullets fired at the enemy than there were a century ago.
If they go all the way with that plan their leaders just prove how corrupt and useless they are. There's no evidence of a global trend towards bigger rounds.

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That thing is so fucking hot

uimples?

>When you're not sure if your company wants to make ammo or sex toys so you do both

>He doesn't have a stockpile of uimples for shtf
Jesus, the newfaggotry on Jow Forums has really gotten out of hand

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This implies your tactical objective with small arms is to kill a combatant and not suppress and maneuver iot reduce friendly risk while gaining advantage to kill enemy.
Given ammunition and tactics this is a viable strategy, and the one currently used in us and Israeli doctrine.

Given a wonder gun that allows one shot kills will exhibit less fire with more aimed shots. Especially in a contested environment where resupply is not guaranteed.

The study you're truly basing this off of was a Vietnam, poorly trained, conscript army, which ultimately led to the birth of 3 round burst. I'm not saying that your arguement of more bullets=more casualties is wrong; but the issue is much more nuanced and not studied unbiased/fairly/accurately enough to make a definitive stance.

Global trends indicate armored personnel.

kek. barrel burned out in 1 magazine!

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22tcm is 9mm in size though.

Looks like that nigga Android 19

Dream on.

Not entirely sure the bullet would even survive the friction and air resistance forces. Looks like a great cartridge for squirrel or rabbit hunting.

Why do you have dicks on your mind, fag?

Yes, the ATF only cares about the projectile and barrel
Neck what ever you want down to .50 and you're golden

yeah if you wanna make squirrel or rabbit stew

the damage is way more
You have zero data to prove this you braindead faggot. You read an interned doctor article that said "way more" and now you are parroting it around. You can say way more without giving a number, as well as a case study. You have nether. You fucking nigger.

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lel

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glorified 22 WMR just like 5.7
Next.

Ammo of my actual nightmares. Every fucking time.

We've tried bottle-necked pistol cartridges again and again for almost as long as there have been semi auto handguns.
It doesn't work, straight wall is more reliable

leftypol cant meme. literally zero culture. just take a right wing meme, and make it shitty. and this is suppose to make people feel bad about them selves? your attempts to offend the other side is as weak as your economics.

wait, was this meme meant to be derogatory?

it's clearly made by a gay communist from 8ch as a mockery of 4chans doomer character, especially since Jow Forums radicalized the doomer to the right. i should know, i was a big driving force behind the radicalization.

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Shoot a 357 mag indoors ill shoot 9mm

Decibels are logarithmic...

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But that applies both to right and left wing.

>Honkocaust

Yes, this is how 20/50 Anzio became a thing.

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Onions and redpilled

>Especially in a contested environment where resupply is not guaranteed.
You don't think 2-3x more (slightly weaker) ammo would be an improvement in that situation? I'm not saying soldiers should blindly spray at anything that moves.
Velocity and sectional density defeat armor, not bullet weight or energy. While .17 and .20 caliber guns have some problems, they could allow similar penetration to 5.56 from a pistol size cartridge. With a mag in grip design you can add several inches more barrel, which helps counter lost velocity from the smaller caliber.

>be me
>go to range
>need to take shit
>set gun down on table
>walk to bathroom, a small child following behind
>go into stall and begin living seat for shit
>shit goes into toilet, .44 magnum drops onto the ceiling
>small child also shitting, misses toilet and hits my
>catches my gun and tosses it to me after through the stall door
>toilet paper gone, but there are blow driers
>range officer yells to cease fire

did you just have a stroke?

once you see it

>makes even less sence
>less sence
>sence

SENCE!!!!!!!!!!

It'd probably be easier to just use 8x94mm.

Nope.
Total barrel burner.

You live in a fantasy world. Arrows penetrate armor bullets can't. Speaking in absolutes is simply going to get you handed examples of how wrong you are. Penetration testing has been done for a long time. Tiny calibers will not cut it. They simply do not have the mass to carry through. You get a massive energy dump instead of penetration.