Real life gunfights are messy and you don't always get frontal standing shots.
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Small caliber, >muh shot placement faggots are the most inconsistent faggots in the world. If you carry 9mm, .380 ACP and .38 special, you should take your shitty reasoning to its logical conclusion and at least use FMJ bullets to ensure your lightweight, slow bullets at least get to vital organs and to the central nervous system. At least half of fights are stopped by massive wounding and blood loss.
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You do know that most expanding 9, 38, and gucci 380 meet the required standards.
what required standards are you referring to?
FBI
Is this the antifa tranny? Old news
Like you said, gun fights are messy, I'd rather send more rounds downrange with a 9.
>At least half of fights are stopped by massive wounding and blood loss.
Hence the jhp consist expansion to try and cause as big a wound as possible
>penetration
Hence why any of the big 3 modern design jhp (federal, speer, winchester) should all be able to pass FBI penetration testing standards, developed after the Miami shootout where a single 9mm didn’t penetrate enough and stopped just before hitting the bad guy’s heart (it did go through his arm).
I don’t think you understand, OP. The surest and best shot is one that’ll biologically stop movement, which is the Central Nervous System. You take out the main lines between the brain and the rest of the body (or the brain itself) you get the best outcome. But the head is a small target and when a person is moving about, their heads move even more. Not everyone can hit that in a stressful situation and might not be able to if you’re entangled with the bad guy. After the CNS comes the next best thing, the heart or major artery, but an average person pumped up on adrenaline or on drugs can still move for a few seconds or minutes before the loss of blood brings them down.
>good shot placement to CNS is best
>but if failing that, do as much havoc to body for next best thing
Safety...ALWAYS off
>9mm .380 and .38
>not including .45
it does barely any more tissue damage than 9mm. 45acp stopping power is the biggest fudd meme
>there's no such thing as stopping power
Yeah you're wrong. Big old soft bullets like .577 minie and snider or shotgun slugs stop. Hanguns the bigger the hole the better.
You're the kind of faggot that believes in small cal handguns and does not realise that 20 layers of Kevlar that costs 20 bucks stops everything you've got
It took lamestream this long to figure it out? And who cares, it's like three weeks ago's news.
Good evening sir fud
reread the op...
I agree op. This is why my training regiment involves a significant amount of airsoft **hurr hurr fellas - I've heard them all** I always load only seven into my gbb to simulate my RIA 1911, and always aim for the head. It's kinda fun, feels like playing slaps on goldeneye (didijustdatemyself.jpeg). Plus since the average age of the participants is 13-14 Its really easy for me and my squad to wreck havoc. Sometimes the r.o. gets a little peeved because some of the kids get tired of eating bbs, but who cares? I'm there to train, not to play games. . .
>fuddy-five niggers are literally so retarded they can't even recognize each other
Ok retard
>muh shot placement faggots are the most inconsistent faggots in the world.
You've entirely missed the point of 'shot placement'. Any caliber you are going to aim at where you think will do the most damage; the idea is that if the round hits an organ or nerve system it's a quick ending, not that you're going to be able to hit a target easier with x bullet. Stupid.
I'll take a higher capacity pistol that gives me more chance of getting proper shot placement than a lower capacity round with 5% more chance of shock.
T box
The FBI 12 inch standard, which was created because of the infamous "shot that failed." You might want to actually read up on the subject before you run around telling everyone your hot opinions.
FYI the FBI went switched to 9mm because it offers large capacity, low recoil, and more than enough penetration to hit vitals.
This post was clearly written by some one who doesn't know shit.
didn't they choose 10mm then say that 9mm was acceptable
Not, they switched to 9mm.
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I wish I had that sort of budget for ammo.
With something like 9mm, you get more shots to put on target if you need them, or even if you don't. Put two in your threat's chest for the fuck of it. You'll have two shots in two different places, two injuries bleeding out that need to be patched up, and double the chance of hitting something vital. If you shot with a .45, you better not do a follow-up shot because you have roughly half the rounds as a 9mm gun does on average. So you'd have one hole bleeding out, one hole that needs to be fixed, and one chance at hitting something vital. Something else to consider is that 9mm makes a .39 caliber hole, .45 obviously makes a .45 hole. Two .39 caliber holes = .78 of hole, which is more than .45 of hole.
If you want to bump your argument up to include magnum rounds, I'm with you on that, but not everyone considers it practical to carry around a magnum. I'm just considering popular calibers for this since you didn't specify.
I think the opposite applies to rifles. They're typically used at long range, so there's a much higher chance of only being able to get one shot on your target, and you want it to count. Barrier penetration is also highly important in a rifle fight whereas in a handgun fight heavy barriers aren't typically in play.
Any link to the unedited video? I love listening to edgy ghosts rant.
True that.
No. The FBI commissioned the development of new pistol cartridges. 10mm and .40 S&W came out of the trials. They went with .40 S&W and kept using it until a few years ago, when they conducted a new study and found that .40 S&W's performance was only marginally better than 9mms, but 9mm offered higher magazine capacity and easier recoil management.
>smash the patriarchy and chill shirt
nothing of value was lost
They used 10mm and then abandoned it because the female agents couldn't handle it, so they bastardized the 10mm into the .40 and then pretended they made a good decision for awhile
This is why I carry around a pellet air chaingun around.
More bullets down range = better performance.
found the page I wanted, cropped it for you
here you go
Also dont forgot that the FBI found out that LE sucks at shooting. Instead of addressing the issue and doing more training, they instead with higher mag cap so they can mag dump 15+ rounds, hit you 3 times.
>*blasts 400 pellets into your spinal cord before you even have a chance to fire a second .45 round
GGetdestroyed.
>reading comics
Typical incel .50 cal dicklet
it's a page from Doom Comic where doomguy shoots an imp with a chaingun
Even if you don't suck at shooting you still benefit from increased magazine capacity. Shooting accurately in combat is hard.
10mm also beats the shit out of guns.
Benefit from increased size yes, as well as benefit from training too. Civis shoot less rounds than LE, have like 3x higher hit rate than LE too.
It's actually pretty difficult to shoot less than LEOs.
>Civis shoot less rounds than LE
Civs train more though.
cant stand that cock faced abc news taking head
in an engagement, civilians expend fewer bullets than LEO
Oh, yeah.
What if I need to shoot through a brick wall, to defend myself? What is the best pistol round for that?
I don't need a big clip. I'm fine with a civilian clip, because I can reload fast.
reminder if open carry were a thing nobody would carry 9mm
>9mm
>slow
Actually that’d be .45, nogunz
Experts agree that most pistol gunfights are decided by volume of fire.
83% of statistics are made up
>according to the NYPD SOP9, NRA DGU studies, Marshall & sannow, the FBI OSS study, and ellifritz OSS average number of rounds fired with typical service calibers in a DGU is 2. something.
Literally no. Particularly when it comes to non LEO DGUs where the "defender" can't immediately magdump in the general direction of their "attacker" without fear of legal repercussion should they accidentally brain some bystander.
Someone call?
Russian armor piercing 9mm submachine guns think you're full of shit
name 10 situations where you would need to shoot blindly through cover to defend yourself
>julio hexihispanic
>Involved in a custody battle with the other mother tried to take son
>Proudly displaying smash the patriarchy shirt
>HE'S A VETERAN
>LOOK, PAY ATTENTION ALL VETERANS ARR UNHINGED KILLERS!
Sorry to shatter your larp, but people tend to move and hide behind things and not stand still while getting shot at.
We'll need more powerful rounds as people get fatter.
>clip
> betting your life on a fast bleed out time
Did you invent the army rifle qualification, OP?
Why dont you invest in training instead of shitty expensive calibers and fudd advice
>This is why my training regiment involves a significant amount of airsoft
Good for you. It’s always important to train for everything, especially calling your mom to pick you up some tendies after a firefight.
>it meets some artificially created standard therefore it's just as good!
Hahaha keep coping roundlets
>9mm mak
lol
>I'm fine with a civilian clip
I'm not familiar with that determination. How many rounds are in a civilian magazine?
Where you getting 20 layers of Kevlar for $20?
ITT: "nah that's wrong- I shoot people all the time and that's not how it works"
>shitty reasoning to its logical conclusion and at least use FMJ bullets to ensure your lightweight, slow bullets at least get to vital organs
I'd like to not kill people through a house a block away thanks. 9mm FMJ goes through the person plenty.
>At least half of fights are stopped by massive wounding and blood loss.
At least half of gunfights involve niggers shooting niggers for drugs.
quick quick post your gun user
Exactly OP, Finally someone listens. Pic related, my EDC
7.62 NATO 16"+ barrel
This is what happens when you have Cory but no Trevor.
In navy MA A school, they teach us that there is no stopping power. They show a vid of a cop blasting a guy 5 times with a .357 and still get shot in the armpit after the perp get hit (hit an artery and the cop dies)
>fudds
>safety off
>fudds don't use safety at all because they open carry M1911s without a round chambered, because it only take .00000001 seconds to draw the gun, chamber a round, and fire at the target (most bad guys get scared off just by seeing a gun at all!)
Please by all means , post one living thing youve shot with any of these calibers
Bonus - go dig that bullet out, take pics.
Get on my level and get the fuck outta here with your theories and “tests” . —and fuck your ballistics gel
Go celebrate your 62nd birthday somewhere else
Paul pls settle down you're scaring the children.
One 9mm round was enough for Zimmerman.
I wish I had an Ian
His brain is so small he can buy one $20 sheet, cut it into 20 pieces and still be completely protected.