What is the right price point of quality/price in an AR? Is it a $500 psa? a $800 aero? a $1200 bcm? a $1600 DD...

Well optics are only getting cheaper with time though. The guns themselves havnt had huge improvements in a while.

Anything cheaper than Aero is rolling dice. Anything more is quality of life. Don't buy DD though they're anti-gun.

Get aero replace barrel and bcg, some sights, done

Depends on what you want to do?

If you want to arm a militia: psa
If you want a decent shooter: aero/bcm
If you want to larp as a operator: kac/dd/lmt

cheap optics are getting cheaper

there has been a decent amount of improvement in the quality of AR parts over the last two decades.

PSA is just as good.

Optics aren’t really getting cheaper.

>Don't buy DD though they're anti-gun.
stupid meme

If you're going to go cheap go cheap. PSA is fine. If you're going for a solid mil-spec get a BCM. If you're autistic enough to notice the difference between either get a KAC. Fuck DD.

>PSA is just as good.

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DD has cool factory cerakotes and the most accurate barrel though. I wish they would do a ambi lower

I don't think most people could out shoot a PSA nor would they benefit from the refinement of a more expensive rifle. If you're extremely autistic the fit and finish may steer you toward more expensive builds. Aero is a good middle ground.

They're as reliable, but they're not as good in many aspects. Again getting into autistic levels of comparison.

They are. Chinesium shit is cheap, reliable and durable. I think once you get into the high end glass is when you notice a significant difference. But how significant is that difference in the real world. If it holds zero, it's durable, and reliable it's a good optic.

I hate that the chinks are fucking us the same as anyone else but my TCL tv is better than most tv's twice the price.

>I don't think most people could out shoot a PSA nor would they benefit from the refinement of a more expensive rifle.

Even a tard shooting from a bench rest would see the difference. I regard your post as a wild guess. It's obvious that you don't really know.

>TCL tv is better than most tv's twice the price.

So, your benchmark for quality optics is based on your television? GTFO, kid, it's past your bedtime.

>toolcraft BCG
>BCM non hammer forged upper
>PSA or Aero lower
Unless you get real gucci with the furniture you should total out around 750-850 with a better than mil-spec rifle. This is peak value per dollar and has been for just about ever at this point.

Is toolscraft cheaper than the BCM bcg?

Shooting from a bench rest isn't a realistic scenario. There's too much human error involved in off hand shooting to value the difference between a 3 moa rifle and a sub moa rifle for most people.

I don't even watch television but it's laughable when mine has better quality than Samsungs or LG's twice the price.

>Shooting from a bench rest isn't a realistic scenario
It is if you're determining the accuracy of an upper, you fucking retard.

>I don't even watch television but it's laughable when mine has better quality than Samsungs or LG's twice the price.

Tell us more about your TV, you moronic dolt.

Could you even come close to bench rest accuracy with a rifle off hand? So what does a couple inches at 100m even mean?

Nice strawman.

I usually just get the Aero Precision upper/lower because I like the finish compared to PSA/Anderson.

Are you asking what the point of diminishing returns it? I'd say the best AR for the money will always be the one you build yourself, but other than that It's really, really hard to beat a $400 PSA build. Reasonably accurate, plenty reliable, and should last.

>mfw I have a BCM upper on a Anderson lower

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>Could you even come close to bench rest accuracy with a rifle off hand
The fuck does that have to do with anything?

>Nice strawman.

Nice non sequitur. Fucking stupid cunt.

Considerably. They're also OEM for many brands/manufacturers. Much like lowers a lot of BCGs are produced by very few makers. They're bought in bulk by assemblers, branded, and at best double checked for QA and resold at quite a profit. Reviews speak for themselves, toolcraft BCGs are GTG.

$1200 WWSD

I dont know. But I really like BCM. Even though I only have 1. I also have an aero precision.
Tool craft is better. I have ion bond. And bcm fde. Bcm is not as nice. Tool craft is vastly underrated. But BCM as a rifle cannot be beat for the price. You could take that to battle. Just a add a geissele trigger like I did.

>point of diminishing returns

If the rifle is reliable, durable, and reasonably accurate you've reached your point of diminishing returns. If you can nail the eye socket of a human at 300 yards with a sub moa rifle then you might want to look at other options. Options that probably aren't an AR in 5.56.

Primary arms 1-6 is impressive for what it costs. I don’t know how they pulled off a 5 inch eye relief, but that shit is only seen in LPVOs $1500 and up. The glass isn’t horrendous, the thing is a tank, and has the best combat reticle ever made.

All that said, buy a razor HD gen 2 if you can afford it.

Kinda looking at BCM and Aero right now, what makes you prefer the BCM over it?

As to bcg; 9310 or 158?

My PSA with milspec furniture shoots moa to 200 yards and can do everything my LaRue does (albeit not as comfy). it's fine you desperate insecure faggot.

Honestly, my answer would be the Aero. My PSA’s work just fine and the finish is A-OK for the price but goddamn my Aero is just leagues better in fit and finish.

Aero uses Ballistic Advantage barrels so...they’re not what I’d replace.

PSA ARs are fine. Buy a cheap one now if you can afford it. Then later when you're making more money drop some cash on a rail, trigger, furniture and optics and just install it all yourself. Nobody will know the difference.

It worked for me.

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>Spend money then replace most of the parts later
vs
>spend money once
Make better financial decisions, delay gratification for better results.
and last
>PSA ARs are fine
Why settle with fine when you can have much better for a relatively small cost?

During the big gun control craze during parkland, DD didn’t have to do or say jackshit.
Instead they put their 2 cents in with a newsletter asking people to support a bill that made sure to enforce existing gun laws. You can argue they were just calling for better enforcement vs. creating more useless laws, but why did they even pipe up with that shit during that delicate time? They were virtue signaling.

I kinda' did get what I wanted the first time. I wanted a mock dissipator with a CHF barrel and so that's what I got in 2010. Then later in 2017 I decided I wanted a rail, optic, trigger, and other stuff.

Maybe it would make more sense to spend money once if the rifle wasn't so modular. Besides, you can always sell the old stuff you don't want any more on ebay.

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You're doing it wrong. Buy a basic bitch PSA, and if/when you actually shoot enough to warrant a upgrade buy a gucci brand name and save the PSA as a noob loaner or to to outfit your buddy when shtf.

I have complete rifles from both BCM and Aero. Both are good, but BCM does little things and has attention to detail that I like a lot. Both companies stake their castle nuts. Aero has a single stake, works fine. BCM double-stakes their castle nuts. BCM endplate has a QD attachment. BCM is available with cold hammer forged barrels if you want one, etc. BCM is a step above Aero in my opinion and they pay attention to little details.

because you can't have much better for a relatively small cost, PSA AR's perform just as well and are just as reliable for 99% of usage scenarios. Why are gucci AR owners so insecure?

PSA, if you want a little step up for under $800 get a CHF CL barrel (would recommend FN) with a quality BCG. The others are all great as well just depends on how much money you are willing to spend really.

This is true. I feel Aero Precision is the little brother to BCM. nothing wrong with that.

Im so sick of this name brand AR shit. If you do your homework and buy quality parts. Then the shit will work. Im just so fucking tired of the "roll mark" crowd. Its pushed by ARG/. If you can rock a PSA with a FN barrel. Do it. In reality, its more about how well you shoot and perform. Less about aesthetics.

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>BCM does little things and has attention to detail that I like a lot
BCM lowers don't reliably work with magpul gen 3 magazines. hard pass desu

this is the eternal truth that the gear queer lives to deny. there is something to be said for quality gear, but the sperging over brands or whether this rail system can sustain like three more newtons of force than this other one... come on. got a free float handguard? got a 1 in 7 twist? bought a good quality barrel and bolt? then chances are you have something way better than what the us government was issuing people a few years ago.

The PSA Uppers with CHF barrels are a tremendous bargain.

Depends what you're looking for. If you just want a range toy to fuck around with then who cares get a $350 PSA. If you want something in case you have to actually have to use it, probs the $700-800 range with a Colt or an FN or something is what you want. If you want something you can actually use if you need it AND something that is smooth and nice and fun to use and feels good to hold, then get a nicer gun. It's only a couple hundred more anyways. Even top of the line AR's are cheap when it comes to the gun world. Shit, you can drop $20k on a top of the line precision long range rifle and optic.

BCM or KAC

Oh no. An /ak/ thread might be bumped off the 10th page!

Well. I learned what I typed the hard way.
I was at the range in a lane next to with what looked to be a fudd. I vastly underestimated him and his cheep new balance shoes. Literally carried his ammo in a tuppawear box. Stumbled around confused. And had a shit ton of Aks. Anyways, i looked at him and felt pitty. Right until 10 min later I stopped shooting to watch him shoot. Motherfucker was shooting tight groups with a AK and iron sights.
MFW, i was wrong. Dont ever judge someone based on looks. Because that guy would put you in the grave. And im a decent shot.

Honestly, I don't like DD. They're like metro sexuals of ars

>bolt
How is the bolt different?
>gas system
DD is intentionally harsher on the gas system for reliability. More gas blowing back=lesser likelihood of failure. This is also a very easy thing to change.
>ambi controls
$40 and this could also be yours! personally, I'm not a fan but I can see the appeal.
>better suppressed, smoother shooting
You've now listed the gas system 3 times, and I suspect it's what you actually meant by having a better bolt.

user meant the KAC has all those things better than the DD. not the other way around.

I've always thought that ARs were a lot like wine when it came to price point. Most people can't tell the difference between a $15 bottle and a $50 bottle, but everyone can tell why the $200 bottle costs more. In my experience, the difference between and entry-level rifle and a mid range is pretty negligible, but once you get into the really high end stuff the jump in quality really is noticeable. I shoot about as well with my budget PSA build as I do with my friend's Colt. I know that the Colt has better parts, but it's not enough to make a difference for someone at my skill level. I'm not shooting clover leafs at 500 yards, so I don't need a rifle that can do that. I can shoot a 5 inch group at 100 yards, which is plenty good enough to take a deer, and that's good enough for me.

you've got it wrong, everybody can tell why a $10 bottle of wine is shit, but there's no real difference between a $15, a $50, and a $200

d i m i n i s h i n g r e t u r n s
>does not necessarily apply to MTBF though

most people can't tell a 200 bottle costs more

/thread

if you are paying more than $800 for an AR, then you are paying for a name brand.

The SR15 has a lot of proprietary parts with the gas system and bolt being totally incompatible with other manufacturers. They're improvements, though. He's not lying about the SR being smoother and more reliable with a host of other convenient features as well.

I disagree, but not by much. Mine cost about 750$ and I got a 450 upper for 300$ during a Christmas sale. I definatly wasted about 35-50$ on overpriced shit and a calculi compliant pistol grip (paid a few bucks extra to make sure I can easily swap back and forth between Commiefornia rifle and a real one) but easily the biggest regret of my rifle build is not spending for a nicer upper receiver, barrel and gas system

just barrel and gas system, what i meant by upper

It depends on what you're trying to do with it, as that will dictate what components go into the build.

> no differencw between a $15 and $50
Sorry for the non-Jow Forums rant, but yes there damn well will be, if only because at any reasonable volume at the higher price point you can afford acess to better grapes from a wider variety of climates, better barrels, more storage space, and most importantly, better staff.

For the consumer, this likely means more variety of wine, a wider selection of older vintages, access to reserve selections, and hardly any water line. Taste will always be subjective though.

I wouldn't spend any more than $800 for an AR and no more than like... $350 for some nice optics.

$1200-$1400 for a complete AR15 weapon system.

I wouldn't limit myself to garbage when significantly better stuff is available for a few hundred more.

800 aero best bang for buck

hard to say, even cheaper stuff like anderson is a "name brand"

$800-1000 will get you more than you need
Anything above that is just handjobs

I was debating on buying a S&W sport AR-15. I ended up dancing between buying the 500 version and 900 buck (?) version. Difference was a free float hand guard, low profile block and mag flip sights.

Ended up just building one. think cost and tools was roughly 11-1200? of course i could have saved 300 if i did not buy the gas piston from superlative. Upper/lower receiver and barrel are aero since I got a good deal on them at the time.

this guy knows what's up.

$800 AR without optics/sights
$1500-2000 everything (light, optics, etc.)

After that it's just diminishing returns

How do you decide which upper is YOUR upper?

Decide on your preferred barrel length then if you want quad/mlok/dickmod

16in
1-8 or 1-9
mlok
do I punch these into a searchbar or is there a resource? I keep seeing screenshots of carts and selected items from the same site, but I cant find the name

PSA ftw every single time...

It has to do with your accuracy being so much less than even a PSA rifle that you'll never notice the rifle's accuracy when you aren't doing bench rest shooting. Last time I checked bench rest shooting was a thing, but it's one thing compared to a big ol' list of shit you can do with rifles.

Three fidy isn’t enough. Splurge on optic, cheap out on AR.

$350 is enough for an okay red dot but that guy's a queer and should spend more on his optics and get something nice, like an aimpoint

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it's almost enough. This is excellent for the money and the "factory seconds" on ebay are sometimes as low as 300 dollars. I have one and there's literally nothing wrong with it except for a tiny scuff on the body.

This tho. Negligible or insignificant quality increases for substantial cost increase and a logo. Don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with wanting high quality, but some may balk at 200% higher quality for x4 the price. That's the cost of quality? Well, people pay for it, some sperg out trying to justify it. I'm just glad we're at a point where most tools and stuff are being made at high enough quality to get the job done affordably AND there's also higher quality shit for the more passionate.

Buy an Aero lower
Buy a BCM upper
Buy larue mbt2s
Buy Toolcraft bolt
Buy whatever furniture you want
Buy primary arms, sig, or holosun optic

Buy lots of wolf gold and get good. Trigger the ever living fuck out of overpriced Gucci AR fags with your raifus superb quality, price, reliability, sex appeal, and your skill.

>walk around for years then buy a good car instead of buying something drivable now because you'll save money

Rationalizing overspending when coming to realize maybe I'm not getting twice or three times as good of a rifle when I spent twice or three times as much. Must convince themselves that it's totally superior in everyway to stuff that doesn't cost as much to justify the purchase.

It's surprising how awful some of these gear queers are at shooting.

>be me at the range today
>guy next to me shooting gucci BCM with all the accessories. Surefire with pressure pad, Aimpoint PRO, aftermarket flat trigger (no idea brand).
>shoots 12 inch group 3 inches low off hand at 7 yards rapid firing
>I've shot the bullseye out of my target at 7 yards with a completely stock Glock
>not even trying, shooting sub 1 second splits
>he does the old casual look over to my bay to see what I'm doing

It's not even that he can't into height over bore, but spraying a 12 inch group at a man sized target with a rifle at 7 yards. Come on dude. I have a PSA with a Holosun. I'm not knocking guys that want to spend more on their rifles but you should learn to shoot the fucking things.

Right. You can get to work in a base model Honda Civic and it will last if you take care of it and you might even love it, but if you ever drove a brand new Mercedes s560 you'll understand it's better in a lot of ways even if you dont get why it costs as much as 5 Civics. But everyone hates the faggot Benz owner that drives it around, eyes bugging out looking to see who's looking at him in it or never shuts the hell up about how there's a washer fluid warmer and massage drivers seat.