The flanker gets its first NATO kill

this happened BEFORE the mig 21 incident inside pakistan

Pakis actually thought that fighting against a su 30 at above 30.000ft is wise?

>shits on russian aircrafts when incompetent pilots fly them
>its ok when incompetent pilots fly american planes

butthurt level 100

Point is that the part posted in the picture is 1000% not a part that came from an F-16 airframe.
Regardless of when it happened, the picture is not of a crashed F-16

And yet, this particular photo is not a photo of a F-16 remains. You can clearly see, that configuration of a stabilizer is not from F-16, but from a Mig-21.

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thats an f16 wing user

That's Indian Mi-21.

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That is far too tiny to be a wing for any modern aircraft.

What's that on the wingtip?

the missile pylon

TURNS OUT IT WASN'T A FLANKER.

IT.

WAS.

A.

MIG-21.

AMERICANS BTFO by 1956 hardwaree AAAAYYYYY LMAO

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No, it's not.
It's a horizontal stabiliser from an Indian MiG-21 or a Pakistani J-7
No F-16 surface has a spike like that at the tips

a fucking horizonta stabilizer? A HORIZONTAL?

i mean you could have sounded more credible you said vertical
but saying that a horizontal stabilizer has a pylon on it is just stupid

BTW, I have a feeling, that this a photo from Syria, from times after Turks killed Russian Su-24 and Russians send Su-30 to kill all the militia supported by turks.

you cant be this idiot to think its an actual WHOLE wing right?

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Pssst, it's not a pylon.

off yourself faggot

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>i mean you could have sounded more credible you said vertical
>but saying that a horizontal stabilizer has a pylon on it is just stupid

Your denial is not even fun anymore, just stupid.

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Pajeet my son, your brains have turned to shit

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My mistake that it's an elevator, not a stab
I work on helicopters normally

>another thread of vatniks and other tards failing to match basic shapes
Pic related.

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hahahahahha

aren't all modern dogfights basically a match between whoever can fire the first missile? Chuck a SOTA radar and missiles in any 40yo fighter and poof there ya go it's an even match for any non stealth aircraft

>40yo fighter

Try 60, user. India shot down that F-16 with a Mig-21. Confirmed by MEA.

>a fucking horizonta stabilizer? AHORIZONTAL?
>i mean you could have sounded more credible

So this is what dunning-kruger looks like.

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Poorly maintained aircraft piloted by a subhuman is shot down by a piece of shit, well slap me twice and call me a bitch. Funny how vatnik mongoloids from rushittia consider this a win for their flying trash.

>Poorly maintained aircraft piloted by a subhuman is shot down by a piece of shit,
So essentially all NATO air victories since Vietnam.

>Jow Forums is one person

>muh monkay model 2.0: flight or fight edition
Oh boy here we go

this much C O P E

You realize the most air to air kills via F-16 were not by NATO countries right?

There's literally 0 (zero) proof than Indians downed anything.

"India Pakistan Air Strikes LIVE News: India today confirmed that an Indian Air Force (IAF) pilot was missing after a MiG 21 Bison shot down a Pakistan fighter jet today morning. The MiG 21 Bison of IAF has also crashed."

Lmao they went 1 for 1.

OP is bullshit.

Dunno how good they are on the Kashmir conflict, but generally the liveuamap kinda deliver on quick info on what is going on.
kashmir.liveuamap.com/

But user it was a MiG-21 that got shot down by an f-16 lmao.
You can even see the spike on the tip of the wing shaped surface, confirming it to be a horizontal stab from a MiG-21.

Captured pilot doesn't look Paki to me.

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My lord. Is all this coping the only thing keeping you warm today Vlad?

Kind of is when those incompetent pilots are Russia's "finest"
But keep coping, it's amusing to watch

>clearly part of a Mig-21
>F-16 crash remains!!!1one!!
C O P E
O
P
E

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yeah it seems india lost a Mig 21 & the pakis lost an F16 or J17

Caught him alive.
No cyanide pills?

That's not an F-16 wing.

Slavshits are COPING so hard.

I know education isn't a strong suit in your village, but user please. You're just making a fool of yourself now.

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Indian officers have far too much vanity to off themselves.
On the other hand Pakistanis are mindless and will "martyr" themselves at the drop of a hat.

>Paki F-16
>American's btfo
Pick one.

Gitd here, expect to see more west vs east this week.
We got bored, pulled sime people out of the subcontinent for some backyard work.
We're not really upset at this.
I'm putting money in the pool on Pakistan.

What would be the point? He'll be interrogated, then imprisoned, but not tortured. He wasn't on a covert mission. He is way too high profile now to be tortured and kept hiddden or killed. Both Indians and Pakis have international contracts at stake and can't afford shenanigans the way Mossad and CIA do.

Dude the best thing about this war is the fact both sides are unashamed about having awesome facial hair. Look at that fucker's tache, even in defeat it looks proud and arrogant.

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Because they mde for being perfect, not for fighting.

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Slavshits are posting an Indian Mig-21 tail and claiming it's an F-16. Sad really.

How do you get big hair like that?

Just to let everyone know. Pakistan airspace is dead. They are dumping their civilian aviation fuel to their military. Their fuel reserves are depleted. WTF!?!

Yeah wierd.
You dont need fuel to immolate India.
The methane coming off the streets is enough for a fab.

Sounds logical to me. All those top brass and administrators with access to the depots and foreign friends more than willing to pay a little for a lot. I won't be surprised if they are short on rockets and ammo and spare parts as well.

Bit small for a missile pylon

doubt (x)

Am i the only one who want to see Mirage 2000 vs F16 ?

Desperation.

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>>shits on russian aircrafts when incompetent pilots fly them
Should have sent better Ivan's then.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Rimon_20

I'm not Ivan but that's ONE ambush by experienced Israeli pilots.

Soviet planes were OBJECTIVELY inferior in many aspects, but retards like you go overboard and try to present them as useless because you rely on flawed data.

These aircraft were built for Soviet needs and under Soviet conditions.

I mean, how can you be so oblivious to the fact that you're using same retarded arguments that Wehraboos use?

Vatnik retardation is not an excuse to turn this board into an even bigger pile of shit by acting exactly like them.

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>arguments that Wehraboos use?
>LEOPARD 2 BEST TANK EVERRRR
>Jobs time and time and time in Syria while Pattons do fine
IT WAS THE CREWWW

>oh no he's criticizing me because I act like a retard
>better imply he's Russian and totally ignore his point hehe
Sad.
I meant more like "TIGER BEST TANK EVER 10 TO 1 K/D" and such retarded shit.
Only taking into account details and using them to construct childish nationalist fantasies.

ofc we all know that the pilots on a dogfight dont matter at all its all about the machine right?

>SEETHING

>I'm not Ivan but that's ONE ambush by experienced Israeli pilots.
Which is why i said "Should have sent better Ivan's then."
"Shitty" Egyptian pilots that had twice the experience of the Soviet pilots sent were already well aware of the tactics and aircraft capabilities and how the Israelis used them.
But Soviets didn't listen and kept blaming the Egyptian pilots.
>but retards like you go overboard and try to present them as useless because you rely on flawed data.
No, in this case i only bashed on Soviet PILOTS in one incident.
Rimon isn't noteworthy because Soviet built fighters were shot down.
But because Soviet pilots sent to show Egyptian pilots "how to do it right" after Soviets claimed Egyptian losses was because of bad piloting, not bad aircraft (Which is what vatniks still claim every time slavshit gets downed for any reason), took bad losses.

>These aircraft were built for Soviet needs and under Soviet conditions.
Then maybe they shouldn't have been so overconfident when taking them to Egypt?

>cant argue with facts
>proceeds to cope hard

what a suprise

>the facts
>the facts show Russian pilots and planes BTFO every single time they encounter western ones
COPE

so pakistan claim 2 downed aircrafts and only one pilot
so far no evidence of a second aircraft being shot down by the pakis

india claims a downed f16 but so far no evidence about it
meanwhile at the same time on a relatively close by area a MI 17 crashed
perhaps both of them are so fucking turds that they claim it as a kill?

It's one engagement though. Their pilots got too cocky and they lost 5 planes (out of 24).
Only lesson you can learn from this is that you shouldn't be arrogant. We can't really conclude how Soviet pilots were in general and how would they fare in a hypothetical conflict.
One thing to note is that Soviet training was highly rigid and narrow. They trained for one thing. They relied heavily on GCI. Their planes were usually good at only one thing.
In a hypothetical conflict with NATO, they would operate under quite different circumstances. If they merely denied NATO air superiority, job done.

Also, Israelis aren't some random Western-aligned side. At that period they were probably one of the best militaries in the world and their pilots were highly trained.

In Vietnam you have another story, Vietnamese pilots used their Soviet equipment a lot better than Arabs did.

Rimon 20 is the only noteworthy engagement between "Western" pilots and Soviets since Korea, ignoring some alleged encounters in Vietnam.

the soviet doctrine on air fight hasnt change at all

its all about the dogfights thats basicly it same goes for turks and greeks (as far as know those 3 are the ones that actually have relatively real "training" on the matter in the world)

i will add the israelis too since they are now training with the greeks in dogfights and SEAD/CAP shit all the time

you mean everytime a soviet machine got shot down it wasnt a soviet pilot but instead a pilot from said country?

HOW LUDICROUS

I don't know much about modern Russian doctrine really.
But I do know quite a bit about Soviet military. Here, it's a subject to shitty stereotypes and misconceptions by retards who never bothered to read a book and seek a psychological crutch by "winning" over shitposting vatniks or people they deem to be vatniks. Like this idiot implying I'm Russian because I disagree with him.

Soviet military had problems as any military does, and the state they served was kinda shit, but they invested A LOT of resources into defense, studied war like few militaries did, had a lot of primary and secondary experience, and they developed some interesting concepts and weapon systems. Some of it worked, some of it didn't.
Soviet aircraft, as I said, were objectively behind Western aircraft (more or less, depending on the period). But they conformed to Soviet set of circumstances and demands. They followed different philosophy.

israel isnt "officially" part of the new A2WTC of greece
despite the fact that they come each year but they dont want to be part of it
aka their usual secretive bullshit
this year i heard that they gonna invite quite a lot of people from mig17/21 to the indian flankers to croats saudi arabia and the usuals italy/france/uk/us

You're making a retarded general statement and you want me to respond to you with a general statement.
I ALREADY said that Soviet planes were generally inferior to Western planes in purely technical aspect.
But my point here is that people like you think that Soviet hardware and military were useless because of this. That's just wrong.
Lopsided outcomes were rarely about hardware. Men who use them are also highly important, and Soviet weapon systems were mostly used (in combat) by incompetent Arabs.
Same Arabs failed to use Western equipment properly too when they had access to it.

That looks nothing like the tail of a J7, it looks much closer to the wingtip of an F16. Notice the lack of control surfaces on the back and whatever that boom is. Doesn't look like a missile mount, but it could just be from crash damage.
Probably a hoax or the Paki's are running non standard wingtip missiles

the main problem russia is facing is the fact that all the people that had the knowledge since the soviet era are simply put
DEAD
their current generation is being trained so that they can pass on to the next

i mean if you see the soviet concept and designs of their ew systems and you compare with what they have now you will realise that they are basicly building shit that was proposed over almost 50 years ago

It’s 77-1 now.

Actually it could have been any number of their interceptors but saying it was an F16 is a lot nicer to India than saying they lost a MiG to any of the other pieces of shit in the Pakistani air-force.

Also is it any surprise that a dedicated air superiority fighter would take down a multi-role?
That's like having a Tiger take down a Sherman, fucking duh. Doesn't mean the Sherman didn't take out a bunch of Panzer III/IV's before that.
One is designed to kill aircraft, the other is designed to be able to defend itself it attacked by another aircraft, but that's not its primary mission

pakis arent in nato...

>It's one engagement though.
>>No, in this case i only bashed on Soviet PILOTS in one incident.
>>one incident
>Only lesson you can learn from this is that you shouldn't be arrogant.
>>Then maybe they shouldn't have been so overconfident when taking them to Egypt?
>One thing to note is that Soviet training was highly rigid and narrow. They trained for one thing. They relied heavily on GCI. Their planes were usually good at only one thing.
>>Then maybe they shouldn't have been so overconfident when taking them to Egypt?

Did you really type all that just to repeat what i just posted but with your own spin on it?

>In a hypothetical conflict with NATO, they would operate under quite different circumstances. If they merely denied NATO air superiority, job done.
You don't deny air superiority with short range GCI point interceptors, at least not very well.

>In Vietnam you have another story, Vietnamese pilots used their Soviet equipment a lot better than Arabs did.
More like Americans didn't use their equipment as intended for political reasons, Vietnamese airfields should have been just fields full of craters after the first 24 hours of the conflict.
And as is widely known very poor ACM training of American fighter pilots at the start of the conflict, together with overconfidence in largely untested weapons systems.

considering that iaf bombed them after the suicide attack id say they deserve everything they got

Pakistan is claiming two kills on Mig 21s, one captured pilot and one MIA. India is claiming one downed F16, no word on the pilot. Pakistan said it didn't use F16s in the mission.

I dunno, its almost as if we gave the South Vietnamese some pretty alright (some surplus) weaponry and vehicles, and they called it shit because they didnt know how to use it. Maybe the roaches and countries i couldnt give two fucks about in the shithole part of the world doesnt know how to use those F-16s. Also i fucking hate you and hope you die sandnigger poo jew defenders.

Who do we trust the most

>The Indians famous for being completely untrusted
>Or the Paki's who hid Bin Laden in their back yard

I dunno man, maybe there never was any jets. I don't trust either party.

S
I've been following this whole thing, and I can firmly say that this whole thread is full of shit.

Only two aircraft have been confirmed to be downed, the Indian MiG and an Mi-17, also Indian.

Rumors or reports of a second MiG or F-16 being shot down are paki and Indian lies respectively.

Pakistan also likely did not have F-16s in the area, and the aircraft involved was likely a JF-17, as F-16s werent in the air at the time and arent stationed close to where the engagement took place.

Everyone knows sand people can only fly planes into buildings. Thinking the paki even had a chance lmao