Is it just a meme? does anyone here actually use one of these?

In a perfect world, DA/SA would be the standard and we wouldn't expect the "muh consistent trigger" crowd to have the attention span to properly holster their weapon.

My fullsize is a DA/SA, but I actually like the LEM trigger on my compact. I don't think I would ever buy a rifle that was DA/SA instead of SAO w/ safety.

>Hey son, what happened to your glock endplate?
>What do you mean "safety device"? Looks like one of em' full auto sears
>Sorry can't let you shoot that *sip*

in a perfect world there would only be SA, cocked and locked
or striker fired with a manual safety

da/sa never had a valid argument nor a place in handgunmaking is plain retarded and gives shitty da and shittier sa with overtravel

Oh jesus....

I brush hog my shit because I've done this. That belly hair yank is almost as bad... but I'm Robin Williams hairy.

>is it just a meme? does anyone here actually use one of these?

There’s plenty of videos about this. I have three on all my Glocks however, it is NOT neccessary but a good thing to have on your Glock. I would put that money into a high quality holster first and then spend the money on an SCD last. A holster like a JMCK or Dark Star Gear will greatly mitigate any potential problems drawing or reholstering to the point where an ND will really be a non issue.
You need to subconciously learn how to decock after you are finished shooting which is a problem for some people as they run around pumped full of adrenaline holding a cocked pistol.
I sometimes get people trying to tell me my gun is broken or my endplate is falling off

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>da/sa never had a valid argument nor a place in handgunmaking is plain retarded and gives shitty da and shittier sa with overtravel

An LEO named Darryl Bolke was involved in an incident where he responded to a mentally ill suspect that lunged at him with a knife. Bolke took out his P226 and began pulling through the DA trigger but the suspect’s mother tackled the suspect away making the threat a no-shoot. At 3 yards away, Bolke was able to respond midway through the trigger pull. Would not be possible with a SFA or SAO.

You can also get aggressive on the trigger as you draw for a faster first round on target. Your only excuse as to why DA/SA “sucks” is your trigger control is complete shit and you rely on an “easier” to shoot trigger to mask your poor skills. Funny enough, my best 25 yard groups have been shot with a DA/SA, decocking after each shot. This is experienced by other people who shoot DA/SA.

A good DA/SA trigger can be relatively light with 8lbs and still be safe as the safety of the trigger comes from the length of travel and not by weight. If you CANNOT use an 8lb trigger, you need to hop off the internets, buy some snap caps and go dryfire until you don’t suck ass anymore.

I got one of the later models instead. :^)

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>SAO sucks because of this one in a million situation where a target was non-lethally neutralized by someone else in the quarter second it takes to pull a DA trigger

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>>SAO sucks
Not what he said at all, bruv. Anyway, his weird anecdote aside, some people just shoot more accurately on a smooth pull all the way through rather than breaking at the wall.

This, LEM for the P30 and da/sa for the USP.

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>cocked and locked

Requires two hand functions, thumb then finger, to shoot and almost necessarily requires a larger saftey for ease of function in an emergency situation.

DA/SA "locks" by having a DA trigger first.

But at least SAO has the benefit of typically being better or at least slightly better SA trigger than DA/SA. At least depending on comparing two guns of equitable worth.

Striker fire triggers are mushy and basically Single-and-a-half worst of both worlds triggers.

>b-but my 300 dollar trigger works to my glock makes it crisp

Not as "crisp" as some of the esoteric milsurp DA/SAs I've fired that cost about the same.

Nor is "restrike capability" considered a unique feature. It is simply the DA part of a DA/SA in case there is a light primer strike.

why not just get a normal lever safety?

You fucking retard it’s a striker control device, it doesn’t convert the weapon lmao

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>not carrying DAO on a DA/SA, decocking when reholstering

>$80
I'll pass.

Can we PLEASE make the misuse of the ATF meme a bannable offense?

>muh 1911!
Take your alzheimers pills.

On my AR, it says Safe, Safer, and Safest. The selector only goes to Safer and Safest. The only markings on the barrel is "Safe towards enemy". The serial number is "safesafesafe...". The make/model is Safest AR by Safer Firearms Inc.

Is my dog safe? What form can I fill out to keep my dog from losing his safety?

On an unrelated note, I am well-versed in polishing boots with my tongue, safely.

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But is that "faster" significantly "faster"?

cry more bootlicker

Proofs or gtfo

Faster is faster bud. You're still 2nd place whether it's by .03 seconds or by .75.
And if it's a gunfight you're just dead.

Used to use one when i AIWB'd a glock. Really wouldn't call it a meme, it does it's job well and definitely allows for positive control of the trigger if that's what you're after.
>cocked and locked
>Requires two hand functions, thumb then finger, to shoot and almost necessarily requires a larger saftey for ease of function in an emergency situation.
Eh, not really. Key is to adopt and train a high, tight, thumbs forward grip that turns the safety off by necessity when you acquire it since laying down on top of the safety is where your thumb lives when gripping the firearm. Then there's nothing to forget during your draw. Also has the added benefit of being a nice little go peddle for a little extra recoil control. Of course this only works with properly located and sized safeties, but then i really wouldn't recommend anything else for a carry gun.

I honestly don't understand how the same people who think that manual safeties are somehow too complicated are okay with this abomination.

you don't have to hold it down to fire...

SAFETY BAD
REAL MAN NEVER SLIP UP

Yeah I use one. No issues, extra peace of mind while reholstering. Don't notice it at all while shooting. Took like one minute to install.

>you push it down and it blocks the striker
OK. How do you turn it back off?

Okay. We got it set up. Thank you for alerting us.

> I have three on all my Glocks
One per glock should be fine

You're saying a mother was able to physically tackle her son before a police officer was able to crank off one round DA? I'm sorry but that's such a retarded fucking story. If you cant pull any trigger in the time it takes someone to stand up and tackle your target, you shouldn't be a cop

>is it just a meme?

yes. when reholstering, clear the holster and do it right. also, pick a holster that encloses the trigger guard fully and safely.

>or striker fired with a manual safety

for what fucking reason? a few years ago a motorbike cop got run over on the autobahn here by 2 flatbed trucks. literally nothing remained of the guy but a big red stain on the blacktop. bike was confetti too. Glk in Glk brand Glk holster survived and did not fire. the gun is safe unless you pull the trigger.

>youtube.com/watch?v=PYfwNhRCIK4
You should really consider using google before inflicting your stupidity and snarky tone on others

>shoots self in leg

look here kiddo the time it takes to pull a trigger doesn't matter it's about who get's their gun out faster and since 99% of the time you're not going to be shooting your carry piece you should go for safety

if you carry a gun with a round chambered, you should have a manual safety or DA/SA, otherwise you're just another mongoloid leg wound in the works

>"lol stupid fucking boomers, it's the current year, nobody needs a manual safety anymore, my glock's trigger is my safety!"
>glocks turn out to be horribly unsafe with NDs in the news constantly
>"check out this new manual safety for my glock: perfection"

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I thought it was boomers who loved Glocks.

another win for the 1911, boys.

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(You) maybe OP should stop sucking dicks and explain what his shitty thread is about

>I pull my glock and fire mid draw shooting myself because I'm a dumbass who doesn't have trigger control.
>This is somehow the guns fault.

That thing doesn't impede your shooting in any way.

>>glocks turn out to be horribly unsafe with NDs in the news constantly
I don't understand, you get taught the basics of finger off trigger unless you have fully formed intention to fire in gun safety before you get your cat H licence. I've never heard of a ND's putting pistols into a holster.

Everyone look at this fucking retard and laugh. I hope you really are an atf agent and all your other atf agent buddies make fun of you for being fucking retarded.

You're slightly less retarded than the atf poster but just barely.

Death by glockleg with that 3 lb ghost disconnector

You stop pushing it down. Retard. Fuck where did all of you come from tonight? Are you purposely acting retarded? You better not be.

Idiot, never heard of new york triggers huh

>I've never heard of a ND's putting pistols into a holster.

There's loads of incidents people have reported where the trigger got caught on clothing or soft holsters, and was depressed.

Noooo waaaay tell me more about that scenario where no decent gun would fire because of course not you fucking retard. Go sit with your kind, holy shit they should make a glock general to quarantine your asses.

And yet for some reason it happen so much more commonly with *certain* designs than others.
Feel free to have one then. This is what happens when you make a habit of just glancing at your holster like 99% of glock owners do before stuffing their gun in instead of acquiring adequate lighting and actually positively clearing your holster. Half a second of mindlessness, or a situation in which you legitimately don't have the time or lighting to literally see into your IWB holster and there you go.

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>the trigger got caught on clothing or soft holsters
so basically it's retards who are too stupid to buy a kydex holster
remind me again how that's the firearm's fault?

>You stop pushing it down.
So you have to hold it down to keep the gun safe.
How many times has a Glock ND'd because of a shitty holster and someone sat down or otherwise caused the trigger to snag? Are you going to walk around with your thumb in your pants forever?

>so basically it's retards who are too stupid to buy a kydex holster
whew lad

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My routine is I do the even holster my Glock with the holster in my pants. Just take my holster out. Put Glock in. Put it in my pants and enjoy my day.

>because of a shitty holster
HOW ABOUT STOP BUYING SHITTY HOLSTERS

They were made for the lowest common denominator soldier remember that, stupid simple. People lightening and polishing triggers and using obviously non mil spec safariland retention holsters equals some glocky legs

That's a pretty good plan so long as you:
>never practice draws
>never have to actually use your firearm in self defense
>never need to remove your firearm from the holster for any other reason
But not everybody likes having those sorts of limitations.

>holstering you firearm while the holster is detached means you can't unholster it while it's attached
are you actually retarded or what?

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1911 has retarded magazine sizes. fucking 7 rounds? what year is this?
Dianne the anti-gun jew approves of the 1911.

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The risk of a ND is far, far greater on insertion than on removal.

Also, you can practice draws with the gun unloaded so you don't have to fiddle around reholstering each time.

This thing use to seem kinda overly worrisome till I actually had to start holstering a glock in an IWB trying to appendix carry.

Wheres your atf bribe sticker

>person points out dangers of holstering safetyless striker fired guns carelessly
>"lmao not a problem for me i just holster my glawk outside the waistband and never remove it"
>person points out that while that does help it also has it's own drawbacks
>"haha, are you retarded or something? i actually holster in the waistband all the time"
The absolute degree of critical thinking i've come to expect from glockfags
>he risk of a ND is far, far greater on insertion than on removal.
True, although i've certainly seen and heard of both.
>you can practice draws with the gun unloaded so you don't have to fiddle around reholstering each time.
Giving up lifefire drawing from concealment practice is, IMO, giving up a whole lot. That's literally the single most important mechanical skill for effective self defense when it comes to CCW.

How did it go off then? Been carrying strong side since I saw that.

>person points out that while that does help it also has it's own drawbacks
did you even read the post? the whole thing is tongue in cheek retarded drivel and basically amounts to "carrying a glock that you holster externally is fine as long as you never actually use it"

>Requires two hand functions, thumb then finger, to shoot and almost necessarily requires a larger saftey for ease of function in an emergency situation.

yes but considering how many people have competed with auto pistol for decades with 1911's, Hi-Powers, CZ-75 and 85's etc I think that we can say that toggling off a saftey is not a problem

>Giving up lifefire drawing from concealment practice is, IMO, giving up a whole lot.

You can still practice it, it'll just be a bit more time consuming.

You don't have to hold down a manual safety to fire unless its fucked. If you're talking about the grip safety on the 1911 being to hard, try cleaning your gun or tweaking the spring, its not hard.

Not if you use a 1911 and rely solely on the grip safety.

Decent 1911 mags hold 8 rounds and are flush fit. You can buy 10 round mags that sit out another inch, you can buy 45 round sticks (or could at one time) if you really want capacity.

Honestly a terrible idea and I like 1911's. Practice with your 1911, you should have the safety off during the draw before you get the gun to your support hand.

>wear undershirt
>undershirt/holster naturally moves around a tiny bit throughout the day as you do creating some slack cloth around the holster
>wear undershirt a little looser one day at the belt or do a lot of bending/sitting to standing movement
>mostly holstering firearm catches slack cloth, carrier feels resistance and thinks its fully holstered
>bend over, gut pushes gun in while pulling undershirt taught
>bang
I've carried with undershirts somewhat frequently, occasionally checking my firearm when appropriate i've found that a small space of loose cloth likes to gather around the outline of my holster. just enough that i worry about it interfering with my draw if i was in a hurry. This is just an educated guess though.
ok lets break it down
>(if you make a habit of holstering unsafely you may very well glockleg yourself like this guy did. all it takes is a half second to do so)
>(that's ok, i only holster outside the waistband anyways)
>(well i guess thats an affirmative defense if you ACTUALLY do that and don't mind what that PRACTICALLY entails)
>(lmao i actually holster in the waistband whenever i want to, didn't you get that from my last post retard?)
This isn't even about how you like to carry your glock, this is just about basic reading comprehension at this point.

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I'd rather just not be an inbred retard and not put my finger on the trigger while holstering my gun.

If you're dumb enough to nd into yourself because if a fubar holster then you deserve to be shot. Glock is just kind enough to facilitate Darwinism.

or even not shit leather ones. A quality leather holster will not ever be an issue. The problem is that there are people who are mouth breathing imbeciles who just slam their shit into any hole it will start to slip into.

Honestly no gun should have a safety. We as a society should just let people kill themselves with their own stupidity to cleanse ourselves of their retardation.

ITT: The only legitimate advantage of external hammer double action autos over Glocks is gone and hammerfags lose their shit

>Double action autos
Surely you don't mean double action only. DAO's are almost nonexistent outside of revolvers. And there is an advantage in a DA/SA in that SA triggers are significantly better than DA or striker fired pistol triggers like those found in glocks. The only disadvantages are that you have two trigger pull weights assuming you carry hammer down, and that hammers are more exposed to dirt.

I meant DA/SA or DAO, doesn't matter. As far as practical shooting goes, Glocks can be shot as well or better than any DA/SA without a needlessly long and heavy pull on the first and likely the most important shot and the extra step of de-cocking the pistol before holstering. The single action pull of a DA/SA is far from a legitimate advantage

>Bolke took out his P226 and began pulling through the DA trigger but the suspect’s mother tackled the suspect away making the threat a no-shoot. At 3 yards away, Bolke was able to respond midway through the trigger pull. Would not be possible with a SFA or SAO.
He would shoot the suspect before his mother tackled him if it was single action. What you are basically saying is

>DA is good because you won't be able to shoot as fast as you would want to
Miss me with that gay shit.

>is it just a meme?
You tell me.

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This exactly

that looks like an aftermarket trigger. If you put an aftermarket trigger in a carry gun you legit deserve to be shot by your gun. You're not even asking at that point, you're begging for it.

It's like those fags who get Glocks then put after market triggers in and go full pikachu when it goes off by releasing the slide.

If you understood how a Glock works, you would know that the SCD couldn't possibly cause that to happen

>If you put an aftermarket trigger in a carry gun you legit deserve to be shot by your gun.
Not if you have a striker control device though. And don't pretend like Glockfags don't vehemently defend their shitty triggers by screaming about aftermarket.

If you knew anything about reading comprehension, you would know that I'm arguing the opposite.

Only a portion of glockfags like aftermarket triggers, and the rest of us have to live with their retardation. The only reason you use an aftermarket trigger is for comp shooting, which like maybe 5% of us do.

The rest get them for street creed even though they are the #1 cause of ND with Glocks. There's two main causes, retards who can't clear a chamber before disassembly, and retards who put aftermarket triggers into anything other than comp/range toys.

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Imagine even just owning a pistol without a manual safety

ok ok now imagine buying accesories,ultra specialized custom made holsters designed around not shooting yourself upon use, and aftermarket parts for it so you can, get this, CARRY it, near your body, in a holster, 1 trigger press away from NDing into you and nothing else?

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