Handgun General - /hg/ - #262

yeah that's a bit of a black sheep, but you can always do whatever conversion you want to the trigger, barring going to an "S" conversion

personally I'd be getting a P30S V3 40, but I'm in not hurry

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Just get the vp9/vp9T/vp9L

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>tfw just received a CRAPLOAD of B&T swag in the mail
I have no idea why either. I've never ordered anything from them.
>4 velcro patches
>11 stickers
>beer coozie
>ballcap
>co-branded B&T/Silencer Shop suppressor oven mitt
>drawstring sack pack
>2 calendars
>3 catalogs
wtf

I have a VP9

>B&T beer coozie
pics or it didn't happen

It's just a plain black beer coozie with one of their velcro patches stuck to it, nothing special.

>(you)
Too many variables.
ok.
>wasting money on a Brigadier slide
>wasting money on steel replacements
>overpaying for sights
>overpaying for grips
>92A1 already comes with three 17 round desert magazines
>buying to resell at a loss
>obsessing over brand name
>not having a sight pusher anyways to adjust zero
LMAO
>zero point in getting a 92A1
except not spending $1000? The LTT does not have the 92A1 locking block or frame buffer that make a much larger difference than the extra slide mass, either.
If you like the things that the LTT offers you, then go ahead and buy one, but stop pretending its a good value for most people. Your conformation bias is blinding you massively.

what is a good price for a lightly used mk23?

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redpill me

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>Claiming the 92a1 locking block and frame buffer are improvements and not simply things left there from being designed for .40 Cal
>Not realizing that the brig tac and elite ltt hold their value unlike the plebian tier models

Post your elite ltt or brig tac friendo

new ones go for around 1900-2k
depends on how used but definitely less

some of my customers love it. shoots straight, good warranty ofc. really small for 10 rounds of 9mm. snappy shooter

What are the variables?
These are, I presume, what you could consider "Bench" tests of these firearms and the results align mostly with what would make sense.

Gen1 sucked donkey balls, the refresh is better. Don't know how much better, just know that it's a serviceable gun in the majority of the cases now

Gonna grab one when they eventually drop in price and/or get knocked off

Cool little gun. People really hate SIG though.

>have you considered the impact of polygonal vs non-polygonal on loading variance?
Unlikely, I believe it's actually the stepped chamber. I got a theory involving neck tension and shit.

Yes, but this was an internet fight

>spring for an M9A3 for any reason other than the threaded barrel
multiple anons have come in here and complained about grip width and trigger reach with standard 92FS pistols, which the vertec frame solves entirely. If you don't have a problem with it, then fine don't buy an M9A3.
I also added the caveat of

I already told you I wouldn't waste the money.
I've handled one in a store and decided it wasn't for me.
>claiming the 92A1 was made for .40
>not the original model 96F and later the Brigadier
The 96FS did not have either feature. the 96A1 does. stop talking out of your ass. You don't even know which Beretta is which.

pls post more pics, I wanna do this with my 43

Is this the best .38 ammo for defense now?

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Speaking of ammo edition, Federal HST 9mm 147gr in 20 round boxes, on sale below, with rebate below comes to 44.8 cents per round before shipping which is pretty fricking great. Max 10 boxes (200rd)
recoilgunworks.com/federal-147gr-p-47505.html
promotions.vistaoutdoor.com/EN/US/Home/Brand/1069

Stainless. Park is fine but the rough surface holds on to sweat so once the oil evaporates it'll be rust city. Probably.

Or melonite, that's a good sweat-resistant dark finish.

But without unedited live streamed video and two impartial officials overseeing handling of the gun and tools how do we know the numbers are real?

But seriously I wouldn't have believe it. Velocity must be key because those rifle barrels had significantly less effect from dramatically more crown damage than that 1911, and at four times the distance.

LOL SIG MUSTARD RACE

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Compact frame and long slide is peak aesthetic

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DW Specialist .45 or HK45C?

HK45c but a lot of the non tactical versions are sold out right now. There is a bit of a P30/HK45c drought.

Muzzle pressure plays a big role in how much a fucked crown matters. It's the gas blow-by at release that can fuck up bullet flight if that gas release is lopsided.

I was honestly surprised it mattered as much as it did. I'm now very tempted to fit it to my Brolin which has a Jpoint on it and see how much fitting plus lack of aiming error matter (both tests the groups were dogshit by 1911 standards but this is a used, damaged barrel that wasn't a good one to start with). By every metric I can think of, .45AARP standard pressure from a 5" barrel should not have been that extreme a difference. I was expecting mainly more consistent groups, not just outright fucking smaller groups. Makes me wonder if I didn't inadvertently fix an issue I wasn't seeing in the process of cleaning up the muzzle, like a nick in the very end of the rifling.

I've said it before and I'm sticking to it: We, professional gunsmiths, don't fully fucking understand everything. John Linebaugh is on record as saying that he cannot manufacture accuracy, he can do everything right according to measurement and still occasionally gets pistols that just fucking refuse to shoot, and he can't figure out why. I occasionally get rifles that either shoot far better than they should (my half-MOA factory R700 in .243 that was chambered crooked and isn't freefloated) and occasionally turn a barrel that shoots like ass even though every measurement says it's perfect (my second 7BR refused to even be sub-MOA and literally nobody could figure out why, including my mentor--my club collectively shot the barrel to damn near smoothbore trying to chase accuracy with it and I set it back and rechambered it 4x).

>Compact frame and long slide is peak aesthetic
Fullsize frame+6" slide+comp is better. I like longbois.
>still butthurt nobody good makes a 7" 1911 slide

So, handgat lights. Is the TLR-1 basically the best dollar to performance light there is right now? I need something for my SP-01 and I'm also a tad worried about making the brick even heavier; even though it's primarily going to be shot at the range, it can be a lot to hold up for long trips.

Dan Wesson

>Just
>As
>Good

I'm sure you could get one custom made, or just get a comped model

Olight has taken over the best value weapon light spot. I'd look at either a PL2 Valkyrie if you want a big light or a PL mini 2 for something more compact

No no no you don't understand. I want a 7" (or longer) slide AND a comp. I want a Buntline version of a 1911.

Anyone planning any purchases with their tax return?

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I may end up picking up a shotgun. Gotta complete the trifecta.

I admire your ambition but I'm not sure if that would cycle my dearest friendo

>tax return
No because I'm adult that has the correct withholding so I come out almost even every year instead of giving the government a free loan and pretending it's a gift because I lack self control to save on my own.

is that polymer case ammo, or paper, or what?
why is the bullet set so far back?
>Grey Poupon up in this bitch
Nice-guy American Rifleman using the generously provided premium SIG ammunition, right? meanwhile, the M&P got stuck with blazer, Aguila, and USA9...
Too bad S&W isn't a total systems provider like SIG is. Oopsy!
the higher the pressure, the more likely the burr or protrusion would cut into the bullet like rifling, and the less likely it would cause destabilization or deflection. It's a bit like curving a basketball in flight, I would imagine: your POI will shift, but with a proper release and enough speed, it will go where you want to put it nine times out of ten.
you could test a lighter faster bullet like .22, and I bet it wouldn't matter as much. I'm largely on the same page as Burt, I believe.
what's the market like for that? Might be a good business opportunity to make your own...

I'm a gunsmith, I can make it cycle.
>tax return
I don't give the government a yearlong interest-free loan so I don't get any money back during tax season.

>1200 Lumens
Christ on a cracker, that seems as likely to blind the guy using it.

youtube.com/watch?v=kXxbVP1mwGk

>just as good
>implying the discussion was ever about autistic bulls-eye performance and not overall package value
no the 92A1 is better than the M9 Langdon, for all practical purposes. I never made the claim that the 92A1 is more accurate or faster or anything than the 92G Elite LTT or a Wilson.
ridiculous straw-man argument.
>not using proper tax deductions and credits to get money back from the government instead of just breaking even
who does your taxes? They should be fired.
thanks.

You're going to be using some light as fuck springs or doing a lot of slide lightening I'd imagine

Like said, there are other things that can be deducted. Plus why skim it that close with withholdings anyways

Cut the last tenth off a long slide, cut the front off another long slide, Tig it on as an extension.

>6 rounds
might as well carry a revolver

>TIG welds
>not just fitting a 7" barrel with a comp/front sight post onto the most compact frame possible for a hilarious P38 look
yikes
you might be interested in this thread

Look motherfucker, there is a right and a wrong way to do this

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Don't give the govt free loans

browning bdm.....good or no?

Are you are a felon? Why are you giving advice about anything financial or gun related?

Dan Wesson for virtually all purposes over HK45C

Take the most precision 1911 you have, shoot 5 tiny groups at 25y, then get a dremel and a screwdriver, fuck up the crown and shoot 5 again. Then re-crown the barrel and once again shoot 5 more. It's the only way to know for sure.

I'll paypal you for ammo :)

Olight makes cheaper lights that are pretty tough but are NOT weather sealed at all and basically have no warranty. Streamlight makes very good lights that are weather sealed and they have a """lifetime""" warranty. Surefire makes great lights that are weather sealed and they also have a """lifetime""" warranty.

I have personally seen examples of Surefire and Streamlight providing warranty work on obviously abused lights and I have personally had an Olight (non-weaponlight) turned down for warranty after only a year.

There is also the fact that Surefire and Streamlight both have very mature product lines with virtually all the kinks and weaknesses worked out, while Olight is constantly making novel designs of questionable durability. The newest adjustable PL Mini 2 for example looks flimsy as frig, but is also cool.

If you don't ever plan to get the light wet for any reason, and if you don't mind possibly having to replace a light out of pocket should you damage it, it's hard to argue you should spend more than Olight charges for their lights on sale.

That said, Olight's published lumen numbers are getting ridiculous, 1.200 lumens is preposterous for indoor use.

tl;dr For 99.69% of Jow Forums, Olight is sufficient. Just know that the Chines government is tracking you with the GPS chip and IoT in the light.

>tax return
This:
Sig ammo seems to be actually really good, but I doubt it's tailored to Sigs in any way, there are too many variables across too many models. It's not like they use a secret proprietary barrel reamer and load ammo to take advantage of that.

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i have one, pretty cool gun

thank you. i just bought one last night and wanted to make sure i didnt get a hunk of junk.

the dual action mode is a bit silly but in traditional da/sa it's a good shooter

i like the safety/ decocker/ slide release

that's not 7" though :)
are you?
>secret proprietary barrel reamer and load ammo
would be cool if they did. fwiw, the SIG's shot better with SIG ammo, and the Wilson shot better with wilson ammo. poor Arex shot worse with SIG ammo than fucking polycase. (lol)
>SIG sabotaging the P226 clone with their ammo marketed for the P226
next level business strategy.
wouldn't that get confusing?

nope

>tripFAGGOT doesn't even know what a wadcutter is

Like fucking pottery.

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>calling a hollow-point HST a wad-cutter
apparently you don't know what one is either.

In this case, that particular flavor of HST is in fact a wadcutter.

It's a designed-to-expand wadcutter, but still a wadcutter. They didn't just shove a normal HST bullet all the way down in the case.

wad-cutter is defined by bullet shape not by bullet set-back.
take the .38 HST out of the case and its normal hollow-point shape with a slightly larger cavity to reliably expand out of short barrels.
You MIGHT get away with calling it a semi-wad-cutter, but the cavity is the defining feature.

It is very very similar to flipping a wadcutter backwards, as that luckygunner video pointed out, but that doesn't count ;)

Why is there so many fucking SIG variants, what the hell is the difference between legion and combat and all this shit?

You're aware HPWC bullets are a thing right?

>flat top
>straight sides with no curve
also
In fact, most wadcutters for the last 50 years were double ended hollow base, aka hollowpoint at both ends.

It's a fucking wadcutter. A specialty wadcutter, but a wadcutter nonetheless.

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Sig marketing, they're a lifestyle brand now

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aesthetics and options like the SRT
I hate it too. terrible naming schemes.
sure, but the HST lands in a grey area between several existing classifications.
>we can call it a JHPSWC
even Federal calls it a JHP
checkmate!

>In fact, most wadcutters for the last 50 years were double ended hollow base, aka hollowpoint at both ends.
Additional fact for new shooters reading this, the reason for this is that the mass that was in the tip/base now must be used to make the bullet longer to keep the same weight. This increases the amount of bullet touching the rifling (the bearing surface) and when matched for velocity and twist rate increases consistency/precision

It's why hollow point handgun bullets are often more ""accurate"" than round nose all things being equal.

>A hollow base also effectively increases dpace for the powder, so you can seat longer bullets deeper without dangerously reducing air space in the case

>even Federal calls it a JHP
That in no way precludes it from also being a wadcutter.
>has a jacket
>has a hollow point
>has zero bearing on shape or style

i mean by the loosest definition its also literally just a cup or a barrel but no one uses that nomenclature because thats fucking retarded

It's a cylindrical bullet with no significant taper at the nose, the rounded edge is mostly for expansion control and crimping. It's a JHPWC

Also helped keep reloaders from accidentally loading one backwards, since they were cylindrical.

The hollow base also helps the bullet oburate, meaning they could use softer lead without smearing the barrel and exactly matching the bullet diameter to a slugged bore was less important for accuracy and fouling.
>most DEWC were somewhere around BHN 11
which is soft as shit, linotype is 22 BHN and most LRN are in the 13-15 BHN range

Absolutely shameful fucking display by the EDCx9, what the FUCK Wilson

Also
>Rex
>S&W (Of course)
>Glock (of course)
>FN
>Turkshit
Sad, very sad. The S&W gets a pass for being cheap as all hell, but the FN and Rex especially are pah-thetic.

Listen faggot, you asked why a bullet was set so far back into the case, then asked if the casing is made of paper... Let that sink in bitch. You don't know shit.

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>is that polymer case ammo, or paper, or what?
>why is the bullet set so far back?

So who's taking odds here that WK is 16 years old, a European, or both?

Well, the TLR advertises a longer runtime, IIRC (not that it's super important in context, but...) and the warranty could be nice, given the fairly small price difference. Definitely food for thought. That and holsters, I suppose.

live in a shithole that is cali
know great local gun shop that will tell me if any good off roster firearms from a LEO
got a CZ p10c for $700 (expensive but its the only way to get one)
Know somebody willing to trade it for a P07 (also off roster)
Pill me here
P10c or P07? Which would you rather have. I like both but i really dont have much of a choice to have both
I could also make $200 off it as i know somebody itching to buy it for $900.

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And he has the audacity to tripfag and post on Jow Forums... Well on second thought, he's right at home with all the other know nothing feminine attention seeking trip fags.

so not actually a wad cutter then?
It's like saying if you make a spitzer bullet with a really shallow tip it magically becomes a wad cutter (even though it would not actually cut a clean wad most of the time). Can you design a bullet to do something other than cut wads and still call it a wad cutter?
I'd rather not. I'm sticking with JHP or SWC, maybe.
what methodology does American Rifleman use, anyways? the results seem very random, desu.
I had f.lux set wrong for a bit so the case side-walls looked printer-paper white on my monitor.
take a chill pill.
buy whichever the other buyer wants for $900, sell it too him, then buy the remaining choice.

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>SWC
"No."

You're arguing with the combined might of my handgun autism, CG's actual knowledge, and user's general hate for you. You shall not win this day son. JHP is the closest technically correct term you have used. JHPWC is probably the best alphabet soup for it.

bump

Hi can you guys please keep your retarded felon and Burt in this thread. /arg/ is cancerous enough without them.

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tell me when a SWC becomes a WC and vice-versa.
>inb4 there's no accepted standard
and they say a man can't be two places at once...

>A wadcutter has a flat or nearly flat front that is typically as wide as the caliber size or only slightly smaller in diameter than caliber size.
>or nearly flat
>slightly smaller in diameter than caliber size.

For Contender.
17L chopped to G26 grip length.
Salesman at a LGS will appendix carry it.

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>Salesman at a LGS will appendix carry it.
And still not look like he has a huge dick.

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>That and holsters, I suppose.
That's actually a big one I forgot, you almost will not find a holster for any Olight. Even Streamlight is hard to find.

This sad, jelly little lifelet

>define slightly smaller
by that text, the HST is
NOT
>nearly flat
as it has a gaping hole
OR
all hollow-points are automatically wad-cutters, which makes it a matter of semantics (moot).
AND
>slightly smaller in diameter than caliber
refers to the bore or casing not the profile of the bullet itself. Standard wad-cutters will always have a diameter that is sub-caliber. That does not make the HST a de-facto wad-cutter.
>thank you, next
is it not quite common at this point for PD to carry with weapon lights? how is there not a existing product on the market?

Burt ur shit

SIG winning bitches crying

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What's a winning bitch, and why does Sig have them? Why are they crying? You'd think Daddy Sig would be nicer to his girls.

>I handled one at the store
Liar
Post guns

There's plenty of duty retention holsters for weapon lights, although most departments run Safariland ALS holsters.

The problem is a relative lack of concealment holsters that play nice with lights, since lights tend to be fuckhuge and wide which is the opposite of what you want on a CC gun. You can find holsters for guns with small lights but the big fuck-off TLRs are a bit rare.

kek
we need a sig with a million dollar bill finish
what do you expect me to do, drive down to the store and beg them for CCTV footage that proves I was there handling the gun? user, please. We all give you the benefit of the doubt every single day, and of all the things I've said, THAT'S the thing you don't believe?
ah yes, but I'd imagine some plainclothes officers might have a need. it's a matter of time, I suppose.