PISTOL CALIBER CARBINE general

when ur pcc enfield is gay and into docking

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Hows the evo?

My small game rifle

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Who cares the TP9 is shit and not a true carbine.

Does .22mag really count as a PCC? It's rimfire.

Rimfire doesn’t count as a pcc, unless it’s larger than .44 caliber

I love my Evo Micro K conversion.

I recently purchased a USC and am trying to convert it to a UMP. I want to get it with a short barrel and pistol brace, my question is, is it legal?

If you have a usc rifle, you can only legally chop the barrel by form 1 SBR'ing it, and at that point there is no reason to have a brace

Did you spend thousands of dollars and budget thousands more for the conversion without googling a plan

In a word? Yes.

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>compact
>great dwell time for a suppressor
It's good if you stamp it.

If it's manufactured as rifle, the only way to change the definition of it is to turn it into an NFA item.
If it's manufactured as a pistol, it can temporarily be converted to a rifle (assuming it meets the OAL requirement), then back to a pistol, a pistol can also have a brace, which is totally not a stock.

Basically, you knob, you're not putting a brace on this thing and pretending it's a pistol, because it's already a rifle, and if you want to make it short, you need to register it as an SBR.

Acceptable, which is good enough for the agreeable price.
Some find the safety selector digs painfully into their knuckle when gripping it, so they get a replacement grip and safety, but some don't, and are fine with it stock.

>that rail
Go low or go home

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I love my micro roni

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Nice Jew kit.

Comfy.

>made for the American market.

I think it’s initial role was for police in Europe then it went to the US domestic market.

>kel-tec tier
Why is it Kel-Tec tier? Because it uses plastic?

MP5SD just seems like it would be heavy, bulky and have the horrible ergos of the 60s when it was designed. Why not get something more modern?

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All hail the Grass Hopper Mouse 9.

Also Garand Daddy.

GHM9 is literally their poorfag gun. Not to mention the price for a blowback gun is insane.

I like because its affordable and got all the features I like about an AR minus the dumb recoil an AR 9mm has.

>affordable
>all the features an AR had

Just buy a fucking scorpion.

>inb4 CZ fag

I’m an HKfag.

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Any PCC that isn’t FA is for larping faggots.

>poorfag gun
>that gun bad because anyone can have it!

Bruh. Do something with that uzi receiver

No. I’m saying it’s bad because it’s still insanely overpriced for a simple blowback gun.

You started with: "bad cuz cheap, it's like literally for poorfags". As far as making a value evaluation based on action type, I'd say that's pretty arbitrary. If a gun functions, it functions; reliability is the characteristic that matters on the consumer's end, not how much development money went in to complicating an action. Complexity isn't a selling point beyond autistic giggles.

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...Its under 2k for a fully functional and small, modern weapon that has one of the softest recoil for its weight and size, bolt locks open on the last shot and all its parts come matching and not made "compliant" by dumbass laws.

Do you know not everyone likes a scorpion? And some people like a much smaller weapon as a PCC with good controls and ergo?

Ruger PCC carbine is the best.

>gen1 won't feed HP ammo, B&T won't fix it for free
>gen2 that will is $600 more expensive ($1899 vs $1327)
>mags are $60 each
There's plenty wrong with the GHM9, and there's a reason it's significantly cheaper than the actually-good B&T PCCs.

The APC is a meme. The ONLY good/quality B&T rifle is the TP9 which is funny because steyr actually designed it.

How is the APC a meme?

>2000 for a blow back with a buffer

Literally makes no sense the cost.

Is it weird that I find the MP5SD much more attractive with a shorter suppressor?

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Eww. I like the long can. Wonder how much the shorter can hurts the noise level.

>melts

No, it looks better that way.

When it warms up, I’m going to spray paint it a flat dark grey, to try and match the old parkerizing on the grip

>defending B&T

I agree it's ludicrously overpriced but, unlike the GHM9, it ACTUALLY FUCKING WORKS WITH THE MOST COMMON AMMO IN THE COUNTRY ITS MARKETED TO.

Honestly B&T as a whole are overpriced.

WE HAVE TO GO LOWER

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Models made from 2017 and on came HP ready from the factory.

Nice

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Honestly, you may as well buy a highpoint.

But dad I don't want to go lower!

They fixed gen 1 for free.
I just bought a gen 2 for 1350 on gunbroker
Are you lying or are you including the price of the tailhook assembly in that number?

>Any PCC that isn’t FA is for plinking faggots
FTFY

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been thinking of getting one. Any opinions on it?

None. Suppressor tech improved significantly.

Where did you get that? Yours is perfect. Not as high but not too low

Anyone got a list of AR bcgs compatible with usc45 mags?
The kit i ordered for my AR-UMP clone comes with a bcg from NFA and this is setting me back. I'll gladly take some bubba ideas too.

why would you order one of these? Arent USC's like $1300 still?

Because im a poorfag and im not waiting two weeks for a piece of paper with my prints given to local LE.
I got a upper 4in set with the lpk and shockwave brace. The only thing left for me to get is the mvb adapter and mags, but the usc mags are not compatitble with NFA bcgs due to a certain geometry of the feed angle.
The set was $500 for everything and the bcg from NFA included.

Newfag here. If I want to ward off thieving niggers from my stereo, am I in the right place?

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by most common you mean sub 15cpr ball ammo since anyone with any sense is going to use a carbine for SD with the GMH as a toy

If you're a poorfag, why in the fuck would you want it to use USC/UMP mags?
They are $50-$60 on average for HK made ones.

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Theyre actually $26 for the 20rnd mags on gunmag warehouse but polymer instead of steel

How come you don't get more subguns or PCCs that use Uzi mags? Those things are $8 a pop for surplus 32-rounders.

I want my mags to have a forward angle towards my target instead of using glock mags nor uzi mags

UZI mags can easily be adapted to Colt pattern AR-9s by cutting a hole for the mag catch. The bolt hold open doesn't work, but they're fine other than that.

You do. The Colt AR9 platform uses modified Uzi mags. As this user stated , they're just Uzi mags with a higher cut for the mag catch.

3/10

What do you guys think of AR9s? I own a PCC already and my pistol is in 9, so I figured it would be nice to keep my ammo as one type for my third purchase.

Because it's fun to collect and have cool historical guns.
The 1928 may be an antiquated piece of shit built on a false premise, but it's still cool and interesting, and it has history.

lmao poorfags

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because uzi mags suck

They don't.

>heavy
>no bolt hold open
>bitch to load
>shit tier locking method
>perfectly symetrical magazine capable of being jammed in backwards
>fatigued old springs
>shit followers
Ive got a pile of them at my feet right now. The MP5 mag is the best old subgun mag. Best modern subgun mag is MPX magazine, downside is that it only works in sig products. I would buy the shit out of a CMMG guard that took mpx magazines.

Glock mags are a good runner up for best modern smg mag

MP5 mags don't have a hold open

Not the other USC user. My conversion is on hold until mag release paddles and axle pins ($22 in parts) are available again.

>life is pain

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Anyone here ever built their own carbine or pistol?

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promotedpawn

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>tfw I converted my usc to an UMP within 1 hour of owning it

Why do you need a mag lever? I just swapped on the ump lower.

What pcc are similar in size to a tp9?

Sweet. Never heard of them but their site looks promising

>VZ61
>PM63
>micro uzi

So do I have to file my form 1 first and get that settled before i sbr my pcc?

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How loud is 22wmr out of a 16 inch barrel? Quiet enough to plink in the woods without pissing off neighbors?

I know, I own an mp5. Thats why I said "old subgun mag"

Where the fuck are you paying 15cpr without that stupid cci rebate?

I want dis

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Old surplus mags, nobody uses thek because theyre probably dented rusty binding pieces of shit. For four dollars more you can get an ets 33 round glock mag with a lifetime warranty.

Could an user with a pc9 and 10/22 post them side by side? I want to see how much longer the PC9 reciever is

Thats a suppressor, and if you have one stamp you might as well have two. Dumb for not having a stock.

Good point user, and yeah I know it’s suppressed that’s why I want it :^) realistically I don’t have the patience to wait for a stamp so I might just get the vanilla version