Security Jobs

Oh I agree, it is totally worthless, unless you’re at a dedicated school for it. It’s just a piece of paper. But it’s a piece of paper everyone else will have that you won’t.

That’s all that matters.

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If you’re worried about polygraph and background, the best advice is to just not lie about anything. But you don’t have to volunteer information either. If you’ve done something bad enough to remove you from the process, it will be found out with or without your help.

Do you have a misdemeanor or something? Or are you worried about them asking about drugs?

I managed the food and beverage department of a casino for a short time. From what I saw security mostly didn’t do shit besides deal with drunk people problems. They were all really cool though, and the job looked pretty easy.

You're either helping out millionaires on rare occasions or kicking out drunk poor people that shit themselves at some point which is the only reason yoy were called to the floor to begin with. Also boss doesn't trust you worth a shit and neither does he trust the guy you trained and now that guys fuckups are totally yours even if it's been months since he was hired. Great place to meet gold diggers though

>The polygraph discussion is the most embarrassing and uncomfortable conversation you will ever have with another human. You will need to describe in detail your preferred porn. Any secrets you keep from your wife/family, etc. The key here is to not hold anything back. If you try to, it will be noticed on the poly unless you’re an ice cold motherfucker.
I heard about this before, I thought they just ask about whatever your put down in the questionnaire?

My main thing is that, I've stayed away from the party scene throughout highschool but splurged for a year in college. I'm just worried that these lapses in judgement will disqualify me.

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does security get a share of the tips?

I honestly can't imagine a more soul-crushing job than that.

Why?
>get to wear a suit
>modest pay
>generally pretty easy

This is a good guide: forum.officer.com/forum/public-forums/ask-a-cop/hiring-recruitment-process-questions/96526-the-applicant’s-guide-to-getting-hired

I didn't work casino security but I worked office and loss prevention. Office was soul crushing, sat on a computer browsing Jow Forums for 8-16 hours 5 days a week. LP was more interesting because you could see crimes happen and off-duty police were good guys to talk to.

I used my security background to vouch for my integrity during the LE hiring process but I know my military background and my panel interview were the best parts of my application.

>Criminal Justice degree is an unofficial pre-requisite
Your mileage may vary on this. In my department you needed to be military, have a college degree (non-CJ preferred), or be the family member of a city employee.

Every agency does polys differently. CBP interviewed me for about 7 hours accusing me of being a spy and shitcanning me. Every PD I poly'd or VSA'd with was 5-10 minutes of basic questions such as "Have you ever committed a crime which was not disclosed in your background investigation," etc.

>my military background and my panel interview were the best parts of my application.

In general, is military service weighted significantly? My military career is pretty dull though, no deployments or anything. Or is it seen as if you made it into the military, you can't be all that bad.

I'm trying to pad my resume and experience as much as i can because i did some stupid shit in my younger years.

Every department I know has military service automatically give you 5-15 points to tests you take and/or your application so on paper it gives you a boost. If you want it to give you a boost off paper talk about your military service in terms of it teaching you positive character traits such as being attentive, responsible, familiar with concepts such as chain of command, etc. Most military folks I know have difficulty with that part and only list their MOS and their basic duty and fail to explain how what they did and learn relates to whatever they're trying to achieve now.

>Every department I know has military service automatically give you 5-15 points to tests you take and/or your application so on paper it gives you a boost. If you want it to give you a boost off paper talk about your military service in terms of it teaching you positive character traits such as being attentive, responsible, familiar with concepts such as chain of command, etc. Most military folks I know have difficulty with that part and only list their MOS and their basic duty and fail to explain how what they did and learn relates to whatever they're trying to achieve now.
Thanks for the help tips.

One more thing, if you don't mind. If they ask you situational questions, they don't really expect you to know the "correct" procedure right? Are they mainly looking at the thought process? Thanks again.

No need to quote entire paragraphs

No, only the servers, bartenders, and dealers did. Even as manager of food and bev I only made hourly. I’ve been in restaurants for a decade now and other than bouncers I’ve never seen any other kind of security get a share of the tips.

How do you get into plainclothes protection?

>7 hours of accusing me of being a spy
Tell me more about the CBP polygraph if you would, what other aspects distinguish their Poly? Is that seven consecutive hours?

Brother fuck what the LEOs think just get a comfy security job. I’m making $3 less doing this campus security than I was city PD but I don’t have the stress of the scum of the earth infecting me with HIV or shooting me for finding their drugs etc

The casino I worked at had 2 levels of security.
1. High speed/low drag operators that escorted cash, did v.i.p. work, and grey area security
2. Super Trooper tier floor walkers, door stops, and bike patrol

I have. It was easily the worst job I've ever had. I work for an LE department now and I can tell you with 100% certainty that they don't give a shit about your private security experience. At the most, you'll be able to say that you worked around large sums of money and never stole anything, unless you did which would show on the polygraph and if that's the case you're not getting hired.

As far as casino security goes, it's a dead end job with little pay and no room for advancement. Surveillance (almost always a separate department to keep the security branch in check) has orders to not only watch you for the big things such as stealing, but are in actuality given quotas for "observational reports". So what this ends up being is that you'll be called into the security department's heads' office and told that at such and such time on such and such date, you were observed by surveillance to be in violation of some rule where you lent against a wall or didn't ID some questionably aged person that you ID'd a day beforehand and knew were 24 years old and you'll be given some sort of disciplinary action. Casinos are notoriously effective at keeping unions out or keeping the unions power at a minimum so you'll just have to accept it. From the moment you get hired, they'll be looking to get a year's worth of work out of you before building reasons to fire you because they want to keep the turnover rate high so employees can't learn security procedures and get too comfortable. Fuck casinos.

Yeah, they don't expect you to know LE procedure if you weren't prior LE but they expect you to say things that make sense.

Some examples:
>You and your partner are loading a group of prisoners into a van when one of them grabs your partner's gun and shoots him. What do you do?
I shoot him until he stops being a threat, radio in the incident, to dispatch or whoever is supervising, disarm him, check my partner and provide medical aid as necessary, check the suspect and provide medical aid as necessary.
>You are on shift and have a birthday to go to afterwards. Your boss calls you and informs you that you must work and extended shift and as a result you won't be able to attend the party. A coworker tells you to go to the party anyway and he will cover you. What do you do?
I don't go to the party, I call my family and explain the situation, they will understand, I am needed at work.
>Your partner comes in to work drunk. What do you do?
I inform my supervisor immediately because he's a danger to himself and the public.
I've heard lots of different variations to the last one. Nobody in hiring wants to hear about you covering for a shitbag, the correct answer is always informing your supervisor.

CBP Poly was my first poly. Guy spent half an hour jerking off about how great the poly was, it caught OJ, etc. Guy then goes over my background packet. Guy gets me in the chair and wired up. Guy asks baseline questions. Guy asks me drug questions and basic criminal questions. Guy asks me espionage and terrorism questions ie have you ever committed espionage against the US/have you ever been a member of a terrorist group? I answer no because that's the truth. Guy tries his good cop routine and asks me to just come clean about whatever espionage/terrorist connection I'm hiding. I don't have any so I have nothing to divulge. Repeats questions again. Guy tries good cop again and sends me out into the hall to get water and use the bathroom. Repeats questions again. Same answers. Guy tries bad cop routine. I still have nothing to divulge. Guy tells me to leave if I'm going to waste his time. 4 hour session.

They invited me for another session two months later. Different guy. Guy spent half an hour jerking off about how great the poly was, it caught OJ, etc. Guy then goes over my background packet. Guy gets me in the chair and wired up. Guy asks baseline questions. Guy asks me espionage and terrorism questions. I answer no because that's the truth. Guy tries his good cop routine and asks me to just come clean about whatever espionage/terrorist connection I'm hiding. I don't have any so I have nothing to divulge. Repeats questions again. Guy tries bad cop technique. I have nothing to divulge. Guy tells me if I don't tell the truth my application goes in the round filing cabinet. I tell him I am telling the truth. He tells me to leave. 3 hour session.

>You will need to describe in detail your preferred porn.
can someone elaborate on this

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You're top flight security of the world Craig

I was security here in Las Vegas, and I did armored car before that.

you'll see some shit. It's mostly hands off but Metro are always on our side. I enjoyed it to be honest but yea on your feet mostly the whole time.

I'll add for clarity because this is Jow Forums that I've never engaged in espionage or terrorism against the US.

My PD polys/VSAs were only similar in that the poly and I reviewed my packet and asked me what my familiarity with the poly is. My line was, "I'm not trying to disrespect you and what you do but Border Patrol spent 7 hours asking me about being a spy and a terrorist. I know I'm neither of those things, in fact I spent a year in Afghanistan fighting terrorists. I'll honestly answer anything you ask me and I'll do whatever you tell me to do but I don't for one second believe in the polygraph."

The only poly/VSA I've ever failed was with CBP.

Some polys and every background interview has lifestyle questions. I've never been asked my porn preference but I've been asked about sex with persons under age 18, if I've ever had sex with animals, and if I've ever had sex with dead bodies.

It's worse for sex offenders. If you're a convicted sex offender in my State you have to take a polygraph every 6 months with your Parole Officer where you divulge every sexual thing you've done for the past 6 months. What date and times you masturbated, how long you looked at the material, what was the material, what dates and times you had sex, who you had sex with, how long you engaged in sex with them, what sex acts did you engage in. You're not allowed any unsupervised internet access whatsoever. No smart phone, no laptop, not even 5 minutes at a fucking library terminal. You sneeze funny and they send your ass back to Alhambra.

My first poly is going to be the CBP. That’s not very inspiring; does failing a poly mean I’m boned for any LEO work? I suppose you’ve had success in other LEO work, but I’m concerned things have changed in some way.

>does failing a poly mean I’m boned for any LEO work?
Nope, CBP was my first poly, I failed it, I poly'd with two other agencies who both gave me job offers and who I both accepted job offers from. I'll add that the CBP poly is well known in background investigation circles and every time I told anyone in PD I failed my CBP poly they all said, "Another one."

I'll add that there's a big difference in failing the poly because the machine says you're lying which causes CBP to flunk you and if I had admitted to something. For example say that I did have drug use/criminal behavior/espionage/terrorism in my background and I admitted it under poly I'd have been completely fucked. If you don't give the truth consistently you're fucked. If I said I smoked Marijuana once on my background form but then said two times when asked during the poly I'd have been out. Tell the truth and stay consistent about it and the worst thing they can do is say they don't believe you. Fuck 'em, they can't take away your integrity.

True. What would you recommend as a good stepping stone for a guy 6 months out of college with just a degree? I put all my eggs in with the CBP basket, should I look into state forest work, police, or hospital security?

There is a big talk of a hiring push throwing candidates into a polygraph bottleneck for CBP, and only half hearted rumors of this clog being flushed through. I’m sitting on a (hands off) security job, so if I’m going to sit through this for any longer for the same chance to just be flunked on the poly, I’m wanting several backups and alternatives.

>I put all my eggs in with the CBP basket
Some good life advice: don't do this again. I'm fully planning to leave my current department for one in a rural community but while I'm here I'm working hard and making moves.

You should be applying for any other job or career field that interests you. 65% of all people who walk into a CBP poly fail. You've got better odds with a coin toss than passing. Obviously I wish you all the best of luck but don't bank on luck. Personally, I wouldn't do hospital security. Forest work, Sheriff's, PD, other Fed agencies, etc would be where I'd drop my applications. If you've got a Bachelors all the doors are open to you, really.

Isn't it better unstead of doing a criminal justice degree to have a real one like a law degree,to at least know something in penal law and procedure ?

I’m the guy you quoted. I had to describe in detail the kind of porn I liked, what sexually stimulated me, etc.

“What kind of porn do you like?”
“Everyone has fetishes, what about you?”
“Kids?”
“Do you like bdsm?”
“Kids?”
“Why do you lie to your wife about watching porn?”
“Kids?”
“Have you ever viewed cp, even unintentionally, just scrolled past it?”
“Have you ever masturbated to porn at work?”
“How often do you masturbate? Why?”

Etc. I can only assume this department (who hired me) has had issues in the past lol.

They are very big on fidelity here, very Puritan and probably odd to people in more “progressive” states. I’ve heard of people being cut because they admitted to cheating on girlfriends in the past.

Why would you go to fucking law school to become a cop? A criminal justice degree will give you all the information and understanding of the field that you need to be a cop desu.

Ok, I'm fine talking about it. But do they expect you to be 100% professional stone cold when they do this? I mean it's a fucking uncomfortable topic
see:

youtube.com/watch?v=Ru2QXYf7dVk

Polygraph is the easiest to game. I don't understand why all these agencies still have it as part of their hiring process. All it does it filters out two kinds of people 1) the criminally dumb (who don't know how to game the system and lie properly), 2) the socially anxious.

You can game the polygraph with 2 ways:
1) Training
2) Certain very common drugs that are easy to get and never included in drug tests.

I prefer option 2 because option 1 isn't infallible. The secret concoction to pass any polygraph?

1 hour before the test: 40mg of propranolol, 1000mg of acetaminophen and 200mg of L-Theanine.

Propranolol is the cheapest and safest beta-blocker there is. Prop will make sure your heartbeat remains stable regardless of how you respond. It will also eliminate physical symptoms associated with an anxious state.

Acetaminophen? theguardian.com/science/2015/apr/14/paracetamol-may-dull-emotions-as-well-as-physical-pain-new-study-shows

L-Theanine isn't really necessary - just the cherry on top.

See above. Telling the truth is for the naive or the squeaky-clean. Being honest does you no good if you've done unsavory things that'll disqualify you regardless of you being honest on the poly.

I only did VSA when I went through the hiring process.
Been a cop for over 3 years.
These stories of polygraphs basically guarantee I'll never get hired anywhere that requires polygraphs. Don't believe in them. Won't deal with 4hrs of the nonsense for a job.

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>a puritanical culture having problems with cp
color me suprised

>Has anyone ever worked at a casino doing security?
Yes. Diplomatic security for a diplomatic mission of a smaller, yet rich state.
>What was it like.
Extremely chill and calm work. I spend roughly 90 percent of my time sitting at my office at embassy, shitposting, reading, watching movies or studying. Rest of the time I usually follow either some of the diplomatic staff or ambassador himself to some reception or meeting. There I either shitpost on phone or just stand out of sight. Or, if it is public reception or other kind of event, I try to eat the shit out of catering or try to flirt with the staff and usually fail magnificently. There are usually some smaller things to do from time to time, like driving some of the attachés to their ladyfriends, their families to shopping etc., but those are rare and usually only when all drivers are out. They can however bring some extra cash.

It is pretty much the best civilian job I've ever held. I am of that opinion that there are two philosophies related to career - you either do what you love or find something that doesn't make you unhappy and provides as much space to your other interests. This job is apex tier of that second option.

Forgot to add, I did worked in actual casino once. It was smaller-sized one, nothing too fancy. It was pretty much glorified bouncing, your regular working the doors. Wasn't horrible but I really wouldn't like to do it again. You meet all kinds of retards and sad fucks and I don't need that in my life.

>all these posts talking about Criminal Justice degrees

Don't get one, any 4 year degree will be fine for most departments, and the only thing a CJ degree is good for is being a cop. Get something like accounting or computer science, something to fall back on in case the cop thing doesn't work out, you get injured, or you just end up hating it.

>involved in a demolition job
>job happens to be a casino
>spend a couple weeks doin shit and exploring
>find the security room
>security room has state of the art 1998 CRT television monitors, 90s-style cordless phones, VCRs, cassette tapes, and password notes written on post-it notes
>find HDDs for main security server
>each one was like 128GB

fucking surreal, and this was only five years ago

I just started work as a waiter at our casino, and I'm in touch with the security there, since I want to move up to it. From what they told me, it's pretty hard and has a lot of schedule changes (that could just be this casino, though). Otherwise, they don't carry any self-defense implements at all, since the only purposes they serve are to mostly make sure no one is cheating, and to let people in and out of the access point.

How did you get that job user?

A friend of mine worked "loss prevention". He said with the new 4k cameras he can see your credit card number and if you sort of fumble with it when you get it out he can also see the security code on the back. I get mine out of my wallet differently now.

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i feel like ive figured as much nowadays. i know that people who work as contractors for casinos, namely gaming companies, cannot gamble at slot machines. apparently facial recognition is decent enough to identify employees.

Finished school, NEETed for a while, enlisted in military. Fed up with it, left. Started working as a regular bouncer, made friends, started working low tier security at various VIP zones at festivals and music gigs. Guess I made impression on managerial staff, made friends with few of them. One of those guys later offered position as a camera operator on different embassy. Accepted, made my experience there and after a year I jumped on my current position.

They had no extra requirements, only to have military/leo background, good English, gun and driving license and certification for basic security/camera operation, workspace safety and first aid. I'm not American, so there may be some differences if you are.

I later continued with education, adding certifications for your regular stuff like TCCC, CQB, SUT, offensive driving and personal protection - not that it is required but they usually throw some extra money for those, so why not.

I would generaly recommend smaller states if you are looking for this work. I know lads working at big ones like French or UK and that's not as far chill post.

Why are most cops so retarded if it's seemingly so difficult to become one?

Insecure cops with a superiority complex are going to despise you.

You're still a veteran. You did what you were told when you were told.

Besides, most departments don't care if you saw combat or not - they just have a flat points bonus on whether or not you were a veteran or not (you have to have been active duty though).

t. served 4 years in the marines out of a high school then became a trooper for 3 years, wasn't for me

This is COMPLETELY FALSE. Degrees are just a check mark in joining departments. You could have a degree in underwater basket weaving and have the exact same chance as the one with the CJ degree.

>tfw accidentally viewed CP because some fag posted it on here, it got deleted after like 20 seconds but i still saw it accidentally, the real thing

>tfw when they ask "have you committed any felonies" i'm going to stutter and remember it

this

you can easily shit your way through a poly, even if you were a serial killer or something

2nd to this, how do you respond to these "technically yes" questions?

tac in your shoe

I worked in the industry for five years. On-site security in Las Vegas is pretty light. They fund the shit out of Vegas Metro, though. Their S.W.A.T. team responds incredibly quickly and is equipped well enough to engage a significant adversary.

This thread is pretty informative. Thanks to all posters.

A cop thread with no neet anarchists calling everyone a zogbot or gun grabber? This is bait.
Another tip: not only does veteran status (usually to apply you must be a “veteran” and not just military service, get on a deployment if needed) give you points on test, but many states utilize a scale multiple choice answer format (agree/disagree, strongly agree/disagree, etc) for personality testing sections. ALWAYS use extremes of strongly agree/disagree for every question. I scored a 110 in 2 different states, placing me at #1 on the list for both, just by doing that and having vet status. YMMV so use common sense, obviously.

Your view of things is woefully naive if you think any of that is true

To add to that; be prepared to be strongly disliked by mostly everyone. It’s something you seriously have to consider when getting into it. Where I work we spend 90% of our time picking up old people, going to burglar alarms, putting bandaids on, and general service calls. The other 10% is domestics and dealing with heroin related bs as it’s a bad drug area. Even still, everyone’s gonna think you’re a dog shooting drug planting retard out to oppress their freedoms. The best way to handle it is realize it’s just a job people don’t like, and not take it personally. Still be cool to them and help everyone you encounter the best you can. However, you will lose friends and carry a stigma with you everywhere you go.
On the flip side, if you happen to end up working somewhere that does have “that guy,” don’t be like him.
Polite sage for double post

>t. served 4 years in the marines out of a high school then became a trooper for 3 years, wasn't for me
If you don't mind, what didn't you like about it, and did you manage to find a career shift?

without cheating of course..

I missed the military and re-enlisted as an officer.

rejoined, not re enlisted, sorry

Accidentally viewing CP on Jow Forums is not a felony

I don't know what the heck departments you weirdos work for but I have never heard of pds asking in depth questions about porn preferences. Here it was generic stuff and the standard "there's some anomalies in your response. Is there anything you would like to clarify?" bit

I didn't work security, but I did work in the bank and on the ATM's, which meant we were with each other a lot. Since we were out in the boonies, we got all sorts of people. Most of them were meh, but a few were awesome and a few were fucking retarded. Off the top of my head:
>Jingle Ball Joe
>Nascar Joe
>Wader Cain
>Barry the Black Banther
>Wally, the cop that got fired, rehired, then fired again
Those are the ones I can remember off the top of my head. We were stuck with them for two hours at a time, and they were pretty fucking rough some nights if they wouldn't shut up. Stories incoming.

>We start with the Joes: Jingleballs and Nascar
>Jingleball Joe was an annoying 19yo who knew everything and totally only worked nights at a casino because he was cool like that
>to his credit, he was an apprentice diesel mechanic
>every night we would go on our ATM runs, we'd have a guard accompany us the entire time because why not
>We knew Joe at this point, he wasn't an asshole, just a little aggravating at times
>as we're walking the floor, Joe starts looking like John Cleese
>step, step, kick, step, wiggle, step, kick
>hand firmly in his pocket
>Joe is a skinny guy, so we can see his hand right on his ballsack, digging while he walked
>me and coworker give each other the look, but say nothing
>once when he thought our backs were turned, we saw him squat really quick, spreading his legs
>by now we're trying not to giggle at him
>after the run is done my coworker straight up asks me “DID YOU SEE HIM GRAB HIS BALLS”
>She's a great person but has no filter
>A week later we have Joe with us again
>”So uh, what do you guys think of me?”
>”Dude, why do you keep grabbing your balls?”
>”Oh... yeah, I had compression shorts on.”
He later became Hairless Joe, but that's another story.
>Barry the Black Banther
>not much to say except he was a cunt
>if you were any shade of brown, he was your buddy
>If you white? You ain't right
>classic older black dude that's been gifted with better-than-average bantering skills, just always used them to be a shithead
>was pretty funny when he lost his cushy 2nd shift spot and had to work nights with us
>eventually got "sick" and got a doctor to say he had to be asleep before 1am
>was always funny when some older white dude would bitch at him for something because that was the one time he couldn't be a jackass

The other Joe, Nascar Joe.
>Nascar Joe is actually really chill, just kind of really stupid
>plays guitar for his church, super religious
>has a kid with an ex girlfriend, literally skips seeing him one day so he can practice with his church group
>whatever, not my problem
>he gets his name because he never shuts the fuck up about nascar
>”hey man did you watch the bla bla bla”
>”yeah, Joe, I don't really watch that.”
>*nod nod* “yeah I like how the lineup is this year, I'm gonna go catch bla bla bla”
>literally he only talks about Nascar
>little bitch of a security guard (complete fucking narc, loved starting shit) once thought he'd be funny and asked Nascar Joe “Hey, how's Jim Gordon doing in Nascar this week?”
>about the most upset I've seen Nascar Joe ever
>something about how someone crossed Batman with Nascar was stupid “because Nascar is real”
>Nascar Joe sadly died
>driving his car
>really fast
>into a tree
>because he took a corner too fast
>Always feel bad that we called him Nascar Joe, but then again, he really fucking liked watching it, so I guess it worked out OK.

>Accidentally viewing CP on Jow Forums is not a felony
How would you even describe that though? Wouldn't it just invite a whole other line of questioning?

just learn to lie lol. polygraphs can't read your mind and at most they can use intimidation tactics if they think you're lying

You don't. Just think of it like if you saw someone smoking pot. Is it a crime? Yes. Did you have anything to do with it? Nope.

>I don't understand why all these agencies still have it as part of their hiring process.
Because they don't really care about the test results. That only filters out the extremely retarded. What they want is for you to swear up down and sideways that you never smoked a joint, which they already know isn't true because one of your high school buddies posted a picture of you doing that on Myspace fifteen years ago.

Ta-dah, it worked. You've been proven a liar.

Or you could just ignore it. They literally do nothing, even the person that invented it has publicly and repeatedly stated it's a paperweight that cannot give any meaningful information.

Seriously, it's garbage and you should treat it with contempt.

bumping

whats the ideal cushy security job? one where you watch tv screens all day?

drive on, Nascar Joe

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Cons:
>have to wear a suit
>modest pay
>boring