What is the worst fucking place you could fight in, historically? I volunteer early Pacific theater during WW2

Peleileu? (spelling not english)

>105 degrees
>100% humid
>no water

That too.

Civil War would be hell no matter which battle you're in.
Survived the first volley? Well you're probably maimed.
Survive the first volley and not maimed? Well you're probably going to either be maimed and killed on the second.
Survive the battle? You're probably going to be in extreme pain from infection from whatever wounds you received and or die of dysentery or some other illness that's rampant in the camps.

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Korea
>wake up in middle of night
>rustling
>what's that noise
>it must be an animal or something
>poke head out of foxhole
>it's 20 Chinese soldiers
>flare goes up

I'm gonna vote for some of the early to mid WWI battlefields.

>stuck in trench for weeks
>told to go over and charge that cluster of MG nests, surely your bravery will win the day
>if you don't you'll get a summary execution for cowardice
>get out of trench
>get shot in leg by MG
>fall into patch of barbed wire
>stuck there for days
>die choking on giant cloud of chlorine

was thinking of exactly this

Being a teenager in Berlin, April 1945.

>Mom and Sister will be raped by Soviets
>Dad already dead
>Will be hung by S.S. if I try to defect west
>Will be sent to Siberian death camp if captured by Soviets
>My gun is made of plywood

At least you get to die next to your grandfather.

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They Shall Not Grow Old gave some very important insight to a largely overlooked aspect of war.
It's fucking LOUD in any firefight, especially one you're charging into.
The thought of not being able to hear anything except a constant buzz, almost static-like sound of gunfire while trying to bury yourself into the dirt to take cover just seems hellish, especially in the muddy barbed wire battlefields they had to fight in.

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The thought of not being able to hear anything except a constant buzz, almost static-like sound of gunfire while trying to bury yourself into the dirt to take cover just seems hellish, especially in the muddy barbed wire battlefields they had to fight in.
Now imagine that you are in this situation 24/7. There were a few fields where the machineguns ran constantly day and night. Even when there wasn't anyone directly to shoot at, they were using the MG's for area saturation to try to hit supply lines and reinforcements kilometers away, blindly.
Imagine being posted when it's your own side doing that, and you might just have to sleep within a couple hundred feet of a machinegun that just never stopped firing every. single. night.

>Be French
>at the Battle of Frontiers, August 22nd, 1914
>March rank and file at German MG positions cuz no one updated your field manual since Napolean
>get raked by said MG fire
>25,000+ killed in one fucking day
>100 years later all you're known for is surrendering
mfw

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Still better than dying for diversity and jewish interests like the GIs did.

The actual worst theater is being in any navy during ww2 in any theater.

If you're crewing the ships
>Absolutely no control over your fate, utterly reliant on other people and luck not to die a horrible death
>Have to stand at your station while massive artillery or airstrikes hit your ship.
>If your ship takes damage you have a very good chance of taking horrible shrapnel wounds or being burned.
>If your ship goes down you have a very good chance of drowning, freezing or slowly dehydrating in a life raft.
>Fatalities on sunk ships often hit 90-100%.

If you're a naval pilot
>Any offensive mission usually means flying into a shit storm of AA fire and enemy aircraft.
>If your aircraft is forced down by damage or lack of fuel, you have a very good chance of drowning or dying in a life raft.
>If you're not in their air you get to experience all the same disadvantages as the rest of the crew.

If you're a sub crew
>Sub technology is shit and you're battling the machine as much as the enemy.
>If your sub sinks there is nobody to rescue you.
>If you're on a uboat or jap minisub you're almost guaranteed not to survive the war and don't even have a fighting chance against the enemy.

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Being inside a sinking battleship has always been a terrifying thought for me. At least of you're on the land you might be able to surrender or run away if the shit really hits the fan, or just not die in a exploding sinking metal coffin.

Beta Reticuli... the hard radiation, the mercury swamps in the salient, the goddamned bugs...

Some peoples forget just how much of a blazing hell WW1 was. Id take WW2 battlefields over WW1, especially the western front or the italian front.

>Jewish interests
>stormniggers actually believe this
Yeah, the Jews totally made Germany invade/declare war on everyone.

While a lot more hellish, American soldiers in the pacific theater were more likely to survive than in Europe
Being a nip probably would be a lot worse in the Pacific theater

>Night nothing but raids to make sure you hate your opponent
>Brutal hand to hand combat that you were never properly outfitted for
>This is the alternative to charging mid day into mg fire, mines, barbed wire and gas attacks

Crazy it was ever called the great war
Let alone the insanity that was getting captured, only to be shipped to the other front to fight for your opponent against some other asshole
Oh and your gas mask is literally piss

Ironically, yes, youre paraphrasing a bit, but thats almosy precisely what happened. Open a history book not provided by your state-funded political officer AKA public school teacher, and you'll read about how worldwide Jewry literally declared war on the fledgling german economy, and both England and Poland made open threats on Germany.

Fuckin shabbos bozo.

"Great" doesn't equate "good" at all, dummy.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Famine_(Ireland)

[spoiler]I liked The Pacific better than Band of Brothers

The most demoralizing part about naval combat isn't that you're almost guaranteed to drown, it's that if your ship loses the fight or gets too damaged to fight back properly, the enemy will almost always keep shooting until your ship is completely destroyed, because if it still floats it can be salvaged.
So you could sail into a battle outnumbered 5 to 1, with no chance of winning, have your ship's rudder jammed so that you can't evade enemy fire or shoot back... and the enemy will still keep shooting your ship for hours while you're completely defenseless. And while this going on, you can't huddle in a fox hole or run for it like an infantry man, you have to stand at your post and do futilely do you job, often below deck where you have near zero chance of getting out if the ship starts sinking or burning.
Then, if you survive being burned, mangled or drowned, the enemy might just sail away from you and leave you to die in the water because of an unconfirmed uboat sighting.
That is hell on earth.

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Of course. Still I'm surprised "worse than hell" didn't gain popular momentum

Tunnel rat sounds fucking horrific, even if you fought and survived you'd probably have no eardrums left

Well if WWIII breaks out I guess I won't be joining the navy

Arctic warfare. The northernmost front in Russia. Axis and USSR forces fought it out in the snow and you had frost damage etc. Then the storms came and temperature dropped down to below -50C. At that temp you can throw a cup of water in the air and it falls down as snow. Add to that the wind factor.

After some of these battles there would be found clumps of hundreds of mens in the snow, clung together for heat, Germans and Russians mixed randomly - what side they'd fought on had ceased to matter.

Hitler did more damage to the ideas of biological, national and cultural superiority than anyone else. Think about it for a second, you dumb fucking skinhead. Before Germany's aggression, ideas of eugenics, nationalism, and cultural superiority were universally popular. It was only after they became associated with the retarded fucking death camps that it became unthinkable to even consider it, and all the sudden all people are born equal, and so on. If Hitler did nothing at all, we'd be living in a very different world today. WW2 was unwinnable for axis from get go, no matter what happens. If you think otherwise, you're a retard who knows nothing about grand strategy and geopolitics and spends his days jerking on Panzer models in his mom's basement. So the only thing Germans did was kill all these ideas and create the colossal backlash and modern sjw culture.

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I would say prior to 1943 you did NOT want to be on an American cruiser in the pacific. The war was back and fourth the cruiser forces were workhorses and got the worst of it.

However after Santa Cruz Islands the loses of large American ships was almost nothing. Lots of destroyers and escorts lost, we almost lost a couple more carriers but didn't. From 1943 on I would have loved to be Navy.

>What is the worst fucking place you could fight in, historically?
Stalingrad
Somme
Verdun

It could be much worse in WW3, depending which side you're on. All modern naval combat is anti-shipping missiles striking targets from 500 miles away. You have zero control over what happens to you as a sailor, and you will never even see the enemy.

victim blaming

Either Eastern front of WWII or Western front of WWI
On the Eastern front you'll be frozen or starving most of the time and you're almost as likely to be executed as you are to be shot by the enemy
WWI: We all know about the mud, the gas and the Somme

all the fucks in this topic picking shit from the last 80 years.

Can you counter any of what I said? The eugenics movement didn't even originate in Germany, and prior to war America was one of its strongest proponents. If Hitler stopped right after Anschluss, temper his ideas and used soft power to spread them, think of what Europe would be today. Instead, because of him even speaking of eugenics today in the West is political suicide. Dumb fucking skinhead. You're of the kind of retard thinks shooting up a school and sending bombs to politicians can change things instead of making everything 10 times worse. This is not the way and never was.

If anybody came up with modern idea of neo-nazism, it was the radical Zionists. Because there's no better scarecrow for them to wave at moderates, people who are undecided and say: "See, that's the kind of people who don't like social justice".

I thought the idea of being out at sea seemed comfy but the idea where I am fucking exploding while I'm doing some shit like playing cards with other sailors is pretty horrifying

>sending bombs to politicians cant change things
Only if they don't detonate and not sure what the school shooting reference is about
Also eugenics are still practiced. It's a good thing you're talking to a troll because I have a half hour of sleep in me and I can still tell your shits all retarded

>send bomb to politician who opposes idea X, that idea being a popular idea already (i.e. gun control)
>politician dies
>his allies turn him into a martyr, use him to boost idea X among electorate
>party popularity rises, idea X more popuar than ever, more politicians support it
>with newfound power, party enacts laws finally allowing idea X to become reality

Doesn't take a genius to figure this one out, you dumb fucking windmill crusader, so your IQ must be well below room temperature.

>also eugenics are still practiced

Where? China? Even then it's nothing like it was in early 20th century.

Cold is infinitely worse than heat IMO. All you wanna do in cold is survive, eat, sleep, stay warm, definitely not fight. So with that Stalingrad or Chosin both seem atrocious.

You can beat cold with warm clothes, movement, hot food, fire, etc. There's nothing you can do about heat and humidity, and combined with all the horrors of the jungle they kill much easier.

>Loud
This is one or the first things you realize when getting shot at for the first time. It's why alot of people freeze up, even with constant training. Bullets whizz, zip and zing and they're very audible, especially the closer they get. It can shock the senses. Explosions are also much louder in the real world than in movies or games, and you also have another sensation the senses don't capture watching film, which is the concussion/feeling in your bones from an explosive. It will physically rock you on top of the audio

I'm not saying hear doesn't suck, and I used to think like you but I've spent time in the cold/heat training in the field and the cold was always infinitely worse than the heat for most men. Granted I wasn't in the Pacific, I did serve in Iraq and spent a summer there in 125° temp, and alot of times stripping down is not an option. And even in the cold you get to the point where you can't layer up anymore, you're at risk for exposure. Not to mention you can still sweat under heavy weight/movement in the cold, which is life threatening when you stop. Fires are also not advised if you're in a winter conflict, because it's like a giant bat signal. Fighting in the cold and camping in the cold while LARPing in fatigues is very different. Just my .02. I've never actually fault in the cold, but EVERYONE hated training in the winter when temperatures got sub zero, it is pure misery

Literally most of the big battles of WW1. "They shall not grow old" was brutal enough to watch. Left the theater with a headache from how tense i was watching. Stewing in a rat infested trench for days smelling your buddy's corpse a few yards away in no mans land waiting for inevitable order to charge into barbed wire and machine gun fire is a hellish nightmare. It really guts the idea of glory in war real quick.

During battle of the Somme:

after days of constant barrages and gas you are sitting in a literal mud hole filled with water and corpses because the trenches have been blown to shit

Verdun:
I don't have to say anything about that

Passchendaele:

Soldiers drowning on the battlefield because of mud

Gallipoli:

The smell of sun burnt comrades infesting everything

South Tirol Front:

Worst mountain fighing in human history alongside battles in the carpathian mountains

I'd say every battlefield in WW1 is as bad as it gets

So this film is worth a watch?

>carpathian mountains
>things get so bad, a significant portion of austro-hungarian casualties are men devoured alive by wolves
Definitely

I'd like to add to this, this subject and the subject of this thread is a regular topic that we'd discuss in the infantry just sitting around talking shit. Which conditions would suck the most, all wars seem to have their own unique shitshow, mother nature is half the damn battle

Well, I think being sick with malaria, dysentery, flesh-eating bacteria at the same time with giant poisonous centipedes crawling up your ass and parasite worms up your urethra at night would make it worse.

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Am I the only one who wouldn't mind being a frog at the fall of Dien Bien Phu?

>literal viet whores on site to bang 24/7
>make a last stand and die like a man at the prime of your life
>no wasting away in a nursing home with ungrateful kids who never visit

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Not really relevant to the thread but this photo was a joke, they put a regular sized centipede close to the lens and had the dude look like he was holding it

Hands down being a Roman at the battle of cannae. You're getting your shit absolutely massacred all day in hand to hand combat with literally no where to go and there's nothing but hot death all around you with a bunch of savages screaming and doing the murdering.

Doesn't mean it can't be real.

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Anywhere in France between the years of 1914 to 1918.

Imagine the devastation of an artillery shell IED, if you've ever experienced that. Now take that, and multiply it by ten thousand German artillery pieces aimed at your position. You now have to live with the shock, concussion, and debris from any one of the five million shells Germany is going to drop on your trench in the span of a few hours. France resembled the surface of the moon more than a country by the end of the war.

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My great uncle survived the bataan death march and the ship to japan only to die 3 weeks before vj day when a wall fell on him

Imagine this but in 1650

This.

Anything else is arguably a joke.

>Pacific
The Japs were malnourished and poorly led. Charging headfirst into machinegun fire. Those small tropical islands dont have the same biodiversity like a big Indonesian island, or mainland SEA. Sure, youll get mosquitos etc, but nothing sinister.

The worst place on earth to fight in the history of humanity was:
>Verdun
>Somme
>Stalingrad.

Nothing else comes close. Nothing. And to be perfectly clear. Verdun and the Somme were only "bad" because they kept throwing wave after wave into the meatgrinder. It wasnt due to outside factors. It was wave after wave after wave. Offensive into counter offensive. Neverending trench warfare. Thats hell.

That being said, Stalingrad is literally hell. Surrounded in a bombed out city full of corpses in the middle of the Russian winter. House to house combat in every single house. Carpet bombed from the sky. Non stop artillery barrages. Starvation, cannibalism. If you fight, you might die, but you still will lose. If you surrounder, you will be executed or starve due to lack of food.

And then, once it was all over, the few thousand survivors had to live out the rest of their miserable lives in a Siberian gulag, breaking rocks in arctic winds until they literally dropped dead.

Thats fucking hell.

My grandpa helped retake the Philippines in 1944. He had a friend that he grew up near that survived the batan death march. The only thing he ever said was that he threw a lot of hand grenades in combat. He died in 1998. My great uncle served as artillery in Korea. He's told me a few stories but nothing about combat. I believe he turned 94 this year.

You should ask him. Don't let those memories just disappear.

I say beimg a Roman fighting up in Northern Gaul.

>Celts up there hate you. You have to fight them all
>Celtic "allies" from the South are unreliable
>Germans wearing besr skins and heads of your friends as ornaments keep showing up and fucking things up.
>disease
>things back in Rome don't look so good.

On any Russian ship

Well thats a poor example as I'd call dead Irish pretty great.

Can someone please explain to me what happened in pic related

Shoutout to the merchant navy seamen who ferried essential supplies from new world > old and back again while being hunted by u-boat wolfpacks. They knew that if they were sunk they would not be picked up, because any ship that stops for a rescue gets sunk next.
Imagine seeing a ship go down and having to sail on past while the men drowning scream at you for help.
In the early years your anti-submarine warfare consisted of one (1!) plane, launched by catapult to drop its bombs. Landing on the ship again is impossible so you launch knowing full well you will dump it in the ocean. You'd better hope you knock out the u-boat or the ship that launched you won't pick you up again.

My great grandpa was at Pearl Harbor. Sounded pretty shitty to me, my grandma told me what he told her.

>was on a ship doing sailor things
>goes below deck to finish up
>hears planes, then a boom, then screaming
>goes back up to the deck
>at first things the ship docked nearest to his had a terrible accident
>then realizes people are shooting up
>looks up and sees tons of lowflying planes
>sees one crash into the same ship that had already been hit
>another sailor runs by him, then another...and another
>some man guns, some jump overboard
>great grandpa elects to jump overboard as he sees one of the planes angle in towards them
>plane hits
>all great grandpas friends who didn't jump are gone.
>he swims over to a guy floating
>it's only half of a guy bobbing upright in the water

My grandpa was a battleship crewman in the USN during the Philippines campaign. His ship, the USS Mississippi, was hit by 3 kamikazes but remained on station. Shit was whack.

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I remember when Zamperini (google him) came to my school and said he when his plane went down in the pacific he had to fight off sharks and dispose of one of his fellow crew members bodies while on a life raft. Eventually he got taken by the Japs as a POW anyway. I don't know how the fuck that guy lived to be 97 after all that.

italyfag here
those are strong feels

Passchendaele strikes up there as well.

I cant remember the name but the italian-austro hunagrian battles in the alps.

Stalingrad was essentially just a WWI battle awfulness wise, everyone who says it was literally hell on earth seems to forget it would just be pretty damn bad by WWI standards. That shit happned every fucking day at some point on the line there

You'd have to be a chump to fight in the regular army with a bunch of fuckin Micks. Cav or Partisan Ranger sounds like a blast though

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Shut up shlomo your days are numbered.

eastern front 1942 for sheer horror

bomber gunner for bomber command for casulty rates is up there

Hey shouts out to my grandpa,for being a staff sargent in korea.

All the worst suffering happened in the warfare of the 20th century, other than maybe that caused by the Mongol conquests.

My pick is the battle of the Somme, specifically being the first guy to make contact with a tank.

Don't forget the lovely tango music! And the messages telling you how fucked you and your comrades were.

Fucker was running 4 minute miles after being a Jap POW and like 60 years old

Based user grandpa, gookslayer.

>Passchendaele strikes up there as well.
Gonna second this.

Just look at this picture. Look at the trees. This area had at one point been vibrant, and green, and full of life. Now there is nothing. The only five things living in this pictures are soldiers marching through purgatory and into Hell. The area around Ypres had been so shelled, shot, bombed, and gassed, over and over, for so many years, that even the soil bacteria were dying off and the corpses of living things wouldn't decay.

This is the land where literally only those unjustly condemned to die horribly are sent.

This is hell.

There is not even grass anymore.

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>All of that fighting achieved literally nothing.
It achieved a lot for the North Vietnamese.

Verdun as a frenchman.

>near constant bombardment and counterbombardment
>poison gas with unreliable gasmasks
>unreliable weapons in a hellscape formed with blood, mud and muck
>uncaring and incompetent superior officers

>when you research your family's Confederate Army records and find that 29 out of the 31 who served were dead by 1866
>literally more likely to survive hiding with Anne Frank than riding with Robert E. Lee

And I'd still take the former over the latter desu...

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Bazinga

Okay, I'm curious now. Which French unreliable weapons are you referring to?

"I died in hell. They called it Passchendaele."

This is one thing films and to an extent games still haven't nailed is how fucking loud gunfire is.
My local range we all take turns going to the butts to point shots on targets. You where ear defenders just the same as if you were at the firing point because bullets are loud as fuck flying over head.

If I ever have to die in a battle, I hope its in my city. I wouldn't want to die thousands of miles away from home.

You must be mad. Why would you want your homeplace to be destroyed to the ground? Every war the last hundred years, all the army leaders have tried to bring the fighting as far away from home as possible.

mine fought on Okinawa and in Korea also.

I never got to meet him, but I'm sure he was a tough bastard.