Are Old School Cannons Outdated?

I mean, if one would happen just to lay around ready for whatever reason, using it in a claymore-sorta-role could maybeish work?

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>Buy cannon
>Thread the barrel
>Cast your own spitzers
>?????
>Profit!

You won't be taking out a tank but it'll definitely fuck up trees and cars. I wouldn't want one firing at me in general.

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How much damage would a cannon at the end of a long hall with grapeshot to say a crack team of bootlickers?

>cannon
>used as a makeshift claymore
>antifa take over
>commissars Xer and phEper kick your door in so they can seize your house to house the proletariat
>no sign of resistance from cowardly, straight, white, cis, male bourgeoisie scum
>see long hallway
>20 gender confused antipatriarchy warriors pile in
>begin to walk down said hallway
>cannon loaded with 6 pounds of 00 buck and semen pressed up against drywall at the opposite end of the hall way
>no survivors

I think they'd still be useful for peppering dug in enemies.
A battery of them could easily wreak havoc on any environment, especially if you're using timed shells and or canister shot.

For defense though? Not useful.
While you're busy reloading your enemy has probably shot you dead.

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as propellant? no
as explosive filler? yes

Sure, there are more advanced weapons but a cannon is a fuckin' cannon, OP. It'll more than hurt and more than a little. You'd have more fire down range with a team of rifles, but a 12lb ball is a 12lb ball.

I own three two 1/ 1/2 lb and a three lb
They are very heavy. My 3lb is on a swivel mount and yes I suppose if you set it into a ;large stone block it would take out a car an its contents. One ounce pure lead shot will rip people apart now just as in the past. That being said I have never fired them as anything other than blanks with a bp charge and some card over it. I have no idea how to proof them to take pressure

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it's shit.
you're gonna have a big hole in your fort to poke the cannon out and i'm going to shoot through that hole with a 22 and suppress the heck out of anybody trying to use it.

NOW, if the tables were turned:
> be me
> trying to take tendies, but fort Jow Forums is dug in deep.
> fortified in an old cement apartment complex
that's when a cannon will actually do something for you.
Although, i think any old 50cal BMG would be better

You tell me.

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Could i legally purchase like six cannons and set them up within my house underneath the floor aimed at the outside front of the house so when someone brings their vehicles up and try to break in i can just set the cannons off and completely fuck their vehicles up outside without ever having to step foot outside?

Really needs the element of surprise to get off that accurate "fuck something up" hole you're aiming for, so they're certainly better as an offensive than a defensive weapon, see .
It's better than nothing, but with as fast as modern combat tends to go, treat it like a single-shot weapon: you won't get a chance to load another.

>Could i legally purchase like six cannons
If you had the money sure. A decent repro cannon runs about the same as a new car. Ok and used repros run the same as a used car.
>and set them up within my house underneath the floor aimed at the outside front of the house
You can place them wherever you want
>so when someone brings their vehicles up and try to break in i can just set the cannons off and completely fuck their vehicles up outside without ever having to step foot outside?
Check your state laws. But I do believe in most states this is a no

I got my last cannon for just a few hundred euro

It's the reloading that would make this unfeasible. Something slightly more modern like 88's would be fun tho.

Did 88's ever shoot/have grapeshot rounds or would that have fucked up the rifling?

they are great for signaling. signaling is not outdated

Canister shot will take out a ten meter zone at 100M from a 3lbr if loaded correctly

...what would it do to a tank or an apc? I mean I know they're armored, but that's still a lot of energy moving, right? What if you had it loaded with modern type apds ammo?

what you really need is fused airburst or fused frag which is essentially a cast iron ball with a hore bored to the core filed with BP and a wooden plug with a fuse running through it. That or canister. You would be wasting your time with solid ball as it was really only for use against fortifications or very massed ranks and canister was way more effective. . Airburst frag at 200 or 300M is perfectly feasable

>...what would it do to a tank or an apc?

Well a solid 3LBr would go though any aluminium style armour that was ok against something like a .50 BMG and small arms but it would just do nothing to havier armour or a tank unless something remarkable happened like it hit the track

concrete bunker with no shooty holes and old mortars would be more useful. Plus, you can use them offensively too from cover.
Really it's range that makes bp cannons not so great for the modern era. You will be shot while reloading it.

How's the cannon market in Europe? Full scale?

This. Devastation level 1000.

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Napoleonic guns take a minimum of 30-45 seconds to load and around 90 seconds to clean (required after every shot) under ideal circumstances. By comparison, the reload time on a modern howitzer is as little as 10 seconds.

t. Civil War reenactor

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Jow Forumsannon thread

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Nothing of value to add, just want to share the image related to this topic.

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Here's the emergency procedure when you have a cannon misfire

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if you're running a point defense operation, just clear the trees beforehand. leave no cover on approach to your position.

hope you got a lot of black powder bro.

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It may well be the only arty we will have 8n the upcoming civil war.

Grape-shot was hilariously effective against infantry assaults back then and humans have not evolved resistance to steel balls since then. You could treat them as reusable heavy claymores, or reloadable claymores if they are breach loaded.

Against vehicles it's less effective as aiming it at fast moving target is hard. If the cannon hits anything short of APC the vehicle will be at least disabled depending of how big said cannon is and what are you using as ammo.

That said those cannons are very obsolete and more modern options can be built or bought.

What are the modern options? How can I make a mortar that doesnt kill me because I'm retarded?

>retarded
sorry to hear thst

I just pick up antiques when I find them. The main problem with the is weight, as soon as you get up top three/four lbrs you are including carriage talking well over 100kgs

What is the range of an old school cannon compared to the absurd ranges on pre ww1 bolt actions?

i mean an area target of a civil war era battery could be seen at 3 thousand yards. but could say a ww1 era long rifle outrange a napoleon or civl war era cannon?

WW1 and WW2 cannons are sold, sometimes with ammo (that you should not use and call your local EOD for your own safety). You can make your own ammo for these even if it's tad expensive.

>How can I make a mortar that doesnt kill me because I'm retarded?
Are you arab tier? If yes, then sadly no. It's impossible for (you).

Depends on gun. 500m to couple kilometers.

It seems like I'm the arab tier retard for accidentally my own post. Can't help with alternatives as I too am an retard.

Congrats Amir, I'm not surprised. I just couldn't quite figure out how to make a mortar myself. What kind of fuze would be a propellant and not set off the charge? Additionally, how to make a charge that only detonates on impacts rather than by the force of the explosion that propels it?

You mean exploded minced meat?

>how to make a charge that only detonates on impacts rather than by the force of the explosion that propels it
Remember those cap guns you used to play with when you were a kid?

Why do so many of you assume that they are a smoothbore to begin with? That could be a rifled gun in OP's picture.

You'd get better use by using that powder to create ring if mines, and triggering them as the enemy advances.
Buying concrete blocks to create tank obstacles. Might equal the cost of a cannon but be more effective.

Maybe because rifled artillery was relatively new during the Civil war and mostly restricted to breech loading pieces?
Could also be because the picture is of a 24lb howitzer and they did not have rifling as can clearly be seen in the picture.

>officer Stevens reported to his SWAT van for another gun grab
>the team rolled up in their armored car to an old log cabin
>the only light was a dim candle in the room
>no knock.jpg
>the door wasn’t locked
We opened it all the way but paused to see the only man there
>a man dressed in an old Union soldier get up with a red hat and red ranks on his sleeve
>holding the lit match
>with a 14 pounder canon in front
>before I could say gun, the fuse was lit and he opened fire with his AR
>the canon blasted
>CARLOS HAS BEEN HIT
>frank was half the man he used to be
>I hear a yell ‘WAR IS HELL’
>a cloth pulled revealed a Gatling Gun
I hide behind a tree now, he won’t stop quoting Sherman. I shouldn’t have come to school today mrs frizzle

Black powder weapons aren't limited by the .50 cal bore diameter rule, right? As far as I understand, you can buy one outright, yes?

Canister confirmed for best munition.

Weapons from before the year 1900 can’t hurt people

They could unironically be used to great effect in an ambush
>be patrol
>driving through badlands USA
>Humvee is comfy
>next thing I know 4 blasts fire from the trees and the car is fugged
>other cars try to move around but more blasts occur from other directions
>eventually hear explosives go off and rifles firing
>dies
Basically, knock out the lead vehicle, place the other cannons in different spots to hit the other cars, use rifles on guys who think about using a machine gun or getting out. If lucky you can salvage a humvee, or just gas and the supplies it has

Yes?

Not good for defending walls but if you get it in range of other people's walls you could do some damage.

A cannon can fuck shit up pretty good
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Your problem is going to keep it supplied with shells, lots of powder and fuzes. If you want exploding shells, you'll need fancy impact or timed fuzes.
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You'd probably be better off with homemade mortars and rpg like the ones IRA used to make to defend your compound after shtf.

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A cannon loaded with steel ball bearing will destroy any vehicle up to and including light armor.

shrapnel shells did exist, they just weren't that much better against soft targets than HE and much worse at blasting shit, so krauts didn't use it by then

Yankees had lots of rifled muzzle loading pieces.