Why doesnt the Browning Hi-Power have the same aftermarket as the 1911?
Is it because it isnt chambered in .fuddyfahv american civilrights protector? Or because merrikeh stuck with the 1911 through both world wars (and then some)?
Why doesnt the Browning Hi-Power have the same aftermarket as the 1911?
>american civilrights protector
Made me kek, thanks.
Because the hi power just wasn't as prolific as the 1911. Yes I'm aware we have poor taste.
The strong aftermarket for the 1911 came from the fact that it was a US service pistol in two wars. Hell, read old gun books and the 1911 aftermarket was strong even before WWII. Lots of surplus guns after WWI + GIs who knew how to work on them = strong market for modifications. And then the same thing happened again after WWII.
And after Korea, also Vietnam. But yeah, it was the evolution of the Colt .45 pistol that's been deep in our pop culture.
As for the Hi-Power, it got popularity around the 70's, but S&W's M39/59 kinda ate up part of the Wonder Nine market, so people were looking at the cheaper American offerings. As time moved on, things like the completely license free CZ75 and Polyframe Glocks came to market, it just was a sizable niche. It's a cool gun, but it was recognized too late and already had competition in the US to have massive aftermarket adoption.
Due to the factors mentioned (GI familiarity, patriotic affiliation with USGI firearms, surplus/take-homes, Hollywood), Hi-Powers were nowhere near as common in the US. 1911s were and are ubiquitous. Larger market for add-on doodads
>UfuckingguncultureSofA service weapon
This.
TWO
The design of the trigger mechanism means it's basically impossible to get a trigger feeling anywhere near as good as a 1911.
That may be true, but it's also meaningless. Most semiauto pistols don't have triggers nearly as good as a nice 1911, but they have a strong aftermarket following today.
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Nothing even close to 1911 levels. BHP trigger mechanism is particularly bad too, moreso than other designs.
>Nothing even close to 1911 levels
Well sure, but that's because the 1911 has a massive time advantage given that it's been on the market for more than 100 years.
Glock triggers suck compared to 1911 but the glock aftermarket is huge. If you normalized the size of the aftermarket by how long the product has existed, I'd guess that the Glock aftermarket is far stronger despite having a shitty trigger.
In other words, the trigger alone is not the reason for the 1911 having such a good aftermarket.
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All of the designs being discussed are tilting barrel browning designs. The hi power's design and intention was carried on in numerous modern pistols - in fact most. Your question is more aptly "why did the aesthetic of the hi-power not succeed". The world wars made 1911s unquestionably dominate in the us, but the hi-power was incredibly popular worldwide, where it eventually competed with more contemporary euro designs.
the high power's claim to fame is that it was the first commercial high capacity service sidearm. We now have dozens of higher capacity 9mms to choose from, even in SAO if thats what you like
the 1911 excels at being a single stack SAO, which is more of a niche market and doesnt have much competition so it stands out. For instance, a double stack 1911 is retarded and defeats the purpose of the design, and everyone will call you on on it saying to just use a glock 21 or M@P .45 if you want a double stack. Add that to the history of the pistol, its commercial availability, all the upgrades you can do with it and that its ultimately a sweet shooter makes it more popular
basically this, I love my hi powers as much as the next guy but their triggers arent anywhere near as good as even a stock 1911. even my mall ninja friends that consider a 1911 a flintlock admit that it makes you a better shooter
This is bullshit, there are plenty of non-1911 handguns made for competition that have triggers which only the very best of 1911s can even compare.
Olympic target pistols even have triggers measured in grams and total travel measured in tenths of a mm.
The 1911 is a good gun and in context of it's age versus it's continued viability it is actually great, but this crap about 1911s being unbeatable on having a "good" trigger is blind American exceptionalism on the level of retards believing that the B.A.R. was the best machine gun of ww1.
>For instance, a double stack 1911 is retarded and defeats the purpose of the design, and everyone will call you on on it saying to just use a glock 21 or M@P .45 if you want a double stack
That depends entirely on what you want the gun for. For defensive or combat use I agree with you 100%. For competition? That's different, and high-end custom double-stack 1911s rule the day.
>This is bullshit, there are plenty of non-1911 handguns made for competition that have triggers which only the very best of 1911s can even compare.
Absolutely.
But that post is talking about the Browning Hi-Power specifically, not "all other guns". The topic of this thread is hi-powers.
You should be reading that as:
>>The design of the BHP's trigger mechanism means....
1911 base guns are more "tunable". Specifically the fact that the bushing, grip safety, and msh are easily removed and changed/modified makes them more conducive to modification. In order to add an extended beaver tail to a BHP you need to fabricate, weld, and then refinish. Some BHPs use a separate barrel bushing but from the factory they're kind of semi permanently installed. 1911 MSH leaves an easy avenue to install magwells to. All this combined with the aforementioned inferior trigger mechanism makes BHPs less ready for modification. Add to this the fact that the 1911 was an American gun in the hands of a more diy and gun obsessed USA, BHP didn't have a springboard to jump into the custom world quite as much.
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The Browing Hi-Power is 1911's slightly-less-hot (but still cute) sister
Pretty much these. Maybe if FN cooked up a version of the Hi-Power in .38 Super for US sales after WW2, it might have gotten some good ground earlier.